Comments on: Euphemism watch: nightclub

By: C.J. Russell

C.J. Russell — Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:26:37 +0000

Good point shaneJ.

By: shanjenkins

shanjenkins — Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:41:45 +0000

I think we must be very careful to not be like the Pharisee saying, “thank God that I’m not like them…thank God I don’t have that much sin in my life.” The Bible addresses how to deal with sin not so we will shun or turn away people, but to reveal to them what’s right in hopes they will change. If we are not directly involved in the lives of these individuals, and if we can’t be a direct influence by using these biblical “tough love” methods, then I’m not sure that we should be concerned with these methods at all in the case of these artists. We can pray for them, but I think we should leave it up to their ministers, counselors, and friends to figure out the plan for change… as in what may open their eyes or what may push them further away. What I’m trying to say is…I’m afraid that alot of people use phrases such as “be separate - touch not the unclean” to condemn and judge. They love to say and quote those things because they can do it with authority on the premise that “the Bible says so.” Once again, if you don’t like their music or if you judge their life to be “too sinful” don’t listen to them or support their ministry. But, please don’t get on every SG Blog that exists and campaign for their expulsion from SG music. To really see what God wants for our lives, even the sinful ones, let’s look at David. A murderer, and adulterer, and many, many other things. If there were blogs at that time, the “righteous” would have definitely been after him. BUT, he was a man after God’s own heart. He was a great king. He was a successful person. And, God blessed him and loved him, despite his failures. Now for all of you doom and gloomers, and all of you “don’t touch him, he’s too dirty” folks, where does this story fit in?

By: arnold

arnold — Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:22:21 +0000

Joe says, “Gerry, Jill, Joyce, and Sandy are all pretty much right on here.”

Judges and lawyers are in cahoots, I guess the SG Police run together too. If there is no forgiveness, there is no hope. Some of you folks need to discover that we are under Grace, not some double-talking Christianese Law! Good grief! I guess your church wouldn’t let me in because of my biker tatoos. They are a part of my past I can’t change, but God gave me a new future, just like Kenny and the rest of the folks you are all trashing in the name of your (little J) jesus

By: C.J. Russell

C.J. Russell — Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:06:02 +0000

Joel L. you are right on the mark with your comments..

By: C.J. Russell

C.J. Russell — Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:55:27 +0000

My guess is that if people knew even half of what actually goes on in the lives of many of the gospel artist’s they would be amazed..that said, we are all human and we all will be held accountable for our “own” transgressions one day. We should all be more concerned about our own salvation and stop judging others. Much of what is heard in the “Gospel Rumor mills” is not even close to being fact. (I know this to be a Fact) Don’t get me wrong Sin is Sin regardless of who commits it or where it is committed it’s all the same, Rumors are still Rumors and they often take on a life of their own. There are a few people in SG who are not at all what they present themselves to be in their public life, if some of the adoring fans only knew…!

By: Mike

Mike — Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:47:29 +0000

Ok…. Everyone get your stones ready to throw since just about all of you seem to be the ones WITHOUT sin in your lives. Let’s have a contest to see who can throw the hardest!!

I don’t think it’s our place to say if someone has been forgiven or not. If you don’t want to support these artist THEN DON’T .
Quit running them down. We might sneak up on you and examine your life. MMM

By: Joe Lindsay

Joe Lindsay — Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:35:52 +0000

Uh, folks- as professing Christians, the ONLY “opinion” we are allowed to have on something like this, is what the Bible says. Gerry, Jill, Joyce, and Sandy are all pretty much right on here.
Sin is SIN. We are not to allow it, excuse it, or condone it. Nor are we to frequent where it is displayed. In fact, we are explicitly commanded to “come out from it, and be separate- touch not the unclean”. Jesus may have “socialized” with sinners- but He is God. We are not. He had no sinful nature- we do.
The issues here are not the opinions of men or women. They are the black-and-white truths of God’s Word.
“Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead, expose them. For it is shameful even to speak of the things they do in secret”. (Eph. 5:11-12)
Most definitely does God forgive the prodigal. But the prodigal never went back, to what he had been forgiven from. That, and only that, is true repentance.

By: Geno

Geno — Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:27:48 +0000

Shanjenkins:

Ditto, Amen, and Bravo.

By: shanjenkins

shanjenkins — Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:50:01 +0000

I say just let the chips fall where they may and stop trying to say who’s worthy and who is not worthy of singing SG music. If you don’t like the artist, whether it be for their music or their moral “worthiness,” then don’t listen to or buy their material. If they still have an audience and people still want to hear them sing, then let it be. There’s nothing you can do about it anyway.

By: jill

jill — Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:18:26 +0000

Arnold:
Sounds like you might have a chip on your shoulder. Everyone has an opinion. Doesn’t mean you are right and everyone else is wrong. If we guarded our hearts and minds, like Sandy said, I guess we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Again I will say that much is required where much is given, so don’t throw all of that “in the trenches” and “repent, renew, restore” stuff around. I know God forgives. I think he forgave JImmy Swaggart too.

By: arnold

arnold — Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:10:29 +0000

Joyce said - “artists seem to think. . . . that we want our faces rubbed in their not-so-secret sins” - Thanks for that lovely observation. This is the spot where Jesus would write something in the dirt.

I have to go put some more G in my phlem.

By: Scott

Scott — Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:44:28 +0000

This whole thing reminds of the old Ray Stevens song, from the album Shriner’s Convention, I believe, called “The Dooright Family.”

The song is an endearingly mocking musical rendering of a Southern Gospel group. Anyway, the main character Daddy Dooright begins to preach at one point about “them discoteques.” “There’s people in there smokin’, a ha. There’s people in there drankin’, a ha. There’s people in there dancin’, a ha. Lord they get out there in a pile and they gyrate around like a bunch of wild ‘heatherns’, a ha.”

Then, another character in the song begins to wander off stage. “Where you goin’, Virgil,” daddy DooRight says.

“I’m goin to one of them discoteques,” Virgil replies.

Anyway, as the song says, “if you do do right, you know you can’t go wrong.”

By: arnold

arnold — Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:38:38 +0000

I think Missy totally misread the news report. Mr. Bishop does not expect, nor does he enjoy the same “following” he had before. That following went with his brother, who apparently has not sinned quite so publicly. Kenny is in the trenches of SG world, repenting, restoring and renewing his mind. Thank the Lord that people don’t decide who God uses. Who did Jesus hang out with anyway? Perfect people? Nope. Demon possessed folks, crooked tax collectors, dirty fishermen, wine-bibbers at weddings, prostitutes, liars and the like. He sought them out! Put your rocks down and encourage a brother who is trying to help someone in the pig pen.

By: smells

smells — Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:32:37 +0000

What in the world Sandy? Why didn’t you just spell it out? You had a chose, I mean choice not to be vulgar, but you choice, I mean chose to.

By: Bob

Bob — Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:44:09 +0000

Sandy,

*choices