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	<title>Comments on: Reaching out</title>
	<link>http://averyfineline.com/2006/10/03/reaching-out/</link>
	<description>Criticism and commentary on southern gospel music</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 21:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2006/10/03/reaching-out/#comment-1529168</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 04:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2006/10/03/reaching-out/#comment-1529168</guid>
		<description>Hereditary? No. Generational curse? Most Likely, but we all make our own choices.</description>
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		<title>By: SDC</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2006/10/03/reaching-out/#comment-900865</link>
		<dc:creator>SDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 23:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2006/10/03/reaching-out/#comment-900865</guid>
		<description>Ugh, so many opinions and disagreements under the name of "Christianity" it's embarrassing.  Thanks for the reminder as to why I walked away from it.

This is all very entertaining but seriously?  From an outsider's perspective:  Find some unification.  Stop confusing the masses you claim to be trying to reach.  Otherwise, what's the purpose?  

Everyone thinks they're right--so who's wrong?  What's the sense of all this arguing???  Your egos???

Obviously Danno has God's private extention here.  Care to share or do you like being so elite?  Get off your homophobe horse and stop being afraid of something you know so little about.  Run at your fears for a change.  Think outside the box and find that GOD is really a helluvalot bigger than you can possible imagine--or control, for that matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh, so many opinions and disagreements under the name of &#8220;Christianity&#8221; it&#8217;s embarrassing.  Thanks for the reminder as to why I walked away from it.</p>
<p>This is all very entertaining but seriously?  From an outsider&#8217;s perspective:  Find some unification.  Stop confusing the masses you claim to be trying to reach.  Otherwise, what&#8217;s the purpose?  </p>
<p>Everyone thinks they&#8217;re right&#8211;so who&#8217;s wrong?  What&#8217;s the sense of all this arguing???  Your egos???</p>
<p>Obviously Danno has God&#8217;s private extention here.  Care to share or do you like being so elite?  Get off your homophobe horse and stop being afraid of something you know so little about.  Run at your fears for a change.  Think outside the box and find that GOD is really a helluvalot bigger than you can possible imagine&#8211;or control, for that matter.</p>
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		<title>By: danno</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2006/10/03/reaching-out/#comment-898598</link>
		<dc:creator>danno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 19:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2006/10/03/reaching-out/#comment-898598</guid>
		<description>homosexuality is a choice just like all other sin. How is it possible to ask for forgiveness if u are not willin to change? I dont hate homosexuals but im not gonna participate in what they do. I think that if u are gonna represent GOD then i think that u should do just that and commiting an abomination isnt even close. And by the way there is no such thing as a carnal christian. To be a christian is to be Christ like. Yes God forgives but only if we are first willing to change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>homosexuality is a choice just like all other sin. How is it possible to ask for forgiveness if u are not willin to change? I dont hate homosexuals but im not gonna participate in what they do. I think that if u are gonna represent GOD then i think that u should do just that and commiting an abomination isnt even close. And by the way there is no such thing as a carnal christian. To be a christian is to be Christ like. Yes God forgives but only if we are first willing to change.</p>
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		<title>By: SDC</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2006/10/03/reaching-out/#comment-897745</link>
		<dc:creator>SDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 02:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2006/10/03/reaching-out/#comment-897745</guid>
		<description>Have you ever known anyone gay?  Spend any quality time with them, learn about their life and what led them to their choices?  Ever take some time to live outside your proverbial box?  Ever study religious history outside your denominationally-swayed documentation?  Be like Christ and wake up.

Leave KT alone, at least he was real and honest about his lifestyle, which is (again) more than you could say about 97% of Christians today.  

Besides, who did Jesus hang out with back in the day?  Think about it.  And put down the deepfried twinkies already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you ever known anyone gay?  Spend any quality time with them, learn about their life and what led them to their choices?  Ever take some time to live outside your proverbial box?  Ever study religious history outside your denominationally-swayed documentation?  Be like Christ and wake up.</p>
<p>Leave KT alone, at least he was real and honest about his lifestyle, which is (again) more than you could say about 97% of Christians today.  </p>
<p>Besides, who did Jesus hang out with back in the day?  Think about it.  And put down the deepfried twinkies already.</p>
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		<title>By: Bev</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2006/10/03/reaching-out/#comment-671498</link>
		<dc:creator>Bev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2006/10/03/reaching-out/#comment-671498</guid>
		<description>In God's eyes, a sin is a sin. Unless Kirk is God, he sins. Why do all of us other 'Christians' have to basically persecute Kirk for admitting he was gay? His sin is no greater than any other sin known to man in the eyes of God...He was 'done wrong' and fully judged by the industry and no one can do that but God. Kirk strives to live a christian life just like the rest of us. Why has he been so judged??? What about the liars, thieves, killers, adulterers and adulteresses? They have broken the 10 Commandments and have been forgiven! Judgment comes only on Judgment Day...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In God&#8217;s eyes, a sin is a sin. Unless Kirk is God, he sins. Why do all of us other &#8216;Christians&#8217; have to basically persecute Kirk for admitting he was gay? His sin is no greater than any other sin known to man in the eyes of God&#8230;He was &#8216;done wrong&#8217; and fully judged by the industry and no one can do that but God. Kirk strives to live a christian life just like the rest of us. Why has he been so judged??? What about the liars, thieves, killers, adulterers and adulteresses? They have broken the 10 Commandments and have been forgiven! Judgment comes only on Judgment Day&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rev Paul Holbrook</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2006/10/03/reaching-out/#comment-330495</link>
		<dc:creator>Rev Paul Holbrook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 04:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2006/10/03/reaching-out/#comment-330495</guid>
		<description>Kirk Talley deserves every help in restructuring his life in a sinless, morally upright way.  Dr. Dobson  and Focus on the family have tried to raech out to people in that condition for many years.  They should be commended, not maligned.  Homosexuality is a sin.  God does not care what we think about it.  He has never asked for our oppinion.  He demands our service.  He is God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirk Talley deserves every help in restructuring his life in a sinless, morally upright way.  Dr. Dobson  and Focus on the family have tried to raech out to people in that condition for many years.  They should be commended, not maligned.  Homosexuality is a sin.  God does not care what we think about it.  He has never asked for our oppinion.  He demands our service.  He is God.</p>
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		<title>By: Jas</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2006/10/03/reaching-out/#comment-9220</link>
		<dc:creator>Jas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 01:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2006/10/03/reaching-out/#comment-9220</guid>
		<description>I'm a christian who happens to be lesbian. My faith in God is strong as yours but my understanding of it is, if God is loving and all forgiving the he'll understand my love for my life partner for he is literally the only man in my life and I pray daily thnaking fo bringing such a wonderful person in my life, if my lifestlye is a sin then so be it and you  are born with it, you cant hide the fact for what you are. And everyone sins the only unforgiveable one is suicide and it is I who will stand before him on judgement day to account for MY SINS and if being lesbian is a sin then I'm going to hell but I am not sorry for it. JUST GET OVER IT!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a christian who happens to be lesbian. My faith in God is strong as yours but my understanding of it is, if God is loving and all forgiving the he&#8217;ll understand my love for my life partner for he is literally the only man in my life and I pray daily thnaking fo bringing such a wonderful person in my life, if my lifestlye is a sin then so be it and you  are born with it, you cant hide the fact for what you are. And everyone sins the only unforgiveable one is suicide and it is I who will stand before him on judgement day to account for MY SINS and if being lesbian is a sin then I&#8217;m going to hell but I am not sorry for it. JUST GET OVER IT!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Rod</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2006/10/03/reaching-out/#comment-6437</link>
		<dc:creator>Rod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 01:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2006/10/03/reaching-out/#comment-6437</guid>
		<description>WOW!!!  I wonder where everyone went after Thoms comments...Man it is amazing how truth can silence so many people.  This my first time on this site and I am amazed at the ignorance of so many people.  By the way "GOD" calls homosexuality an ABOMINATION.  However sin is sin, I do it, you do it...We all do.  The point is to STOP DOING IT.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW!!!  I wonder where everyone went after Thoms comments&#8230;Man it is amazing how truth can silence so many people.  This my first time on this site and I am amazed at the ignorance of so many people.  By the way &#8220;GOD&#8221; calls homosexuality an ABOMINATION.  However sin is sin, I do it, you do it&#8230;We all do.  The point is to STOP DOING IT.  <img src='http://averyfineline.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2006/10/03/reaching-out/#comment-395</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2006/10/03/reaching-out/#comment-395</guid>
		<description>i have been one of the many who grew up in the church and wrestled with homosexuality. i assure you the only choice is action. as i have learned, the attraction is permanent. i have prayed for God to "change" me, i have fought against the devil, and when that didn't work i would seriously consider suicide  because of how much i truly hated myself. those who have never been gay can never understand the rejection, humiliation, and self-loathing that we experience because we are told we are people God hates. and let's face it: it may be true that every sin is equal in God's sight, but in man's sight homosexuality is infinitely more abominable than lying. and when you get right down to it, i could almost assure you that a majority of churches would be quicker to forgive a man if he committed a heterosexual sin than a homosexual one. i liken it to having a face: you may not want it, you may cover it up with a mask, but it is still there. and aren't we taught that God looks at the heart?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have been one of the many who grew up in the church and wrestled with homosexuality. i assure you the only choice is action. as i have learned, the attraction is permanent. i have prayed for God to &#8220;change&#8221; me, i have fought against the devil, and when that didn&#8217;t work i would seriously consider suicide  because of how much i truly hated myself. those who have never been gay can never understand the rejection, humiliation, and self-loathing that we experience because we are told we are people God hates. and let&#8217;s face it: it may be true that every sin is equal in God&#8217;s sight, but in man&#8217;s sight homosexuality is infinitely more abominable than lying. and when you get right down to it, i could almost assure you that a majority of churches would be quicker to forgive a man if he committed a heterosexual sin than a homosexual one. i liken it to having a face: you may not want it, you may cover it up with a mask, but it is still there. and aren&#8217;t we taught that God looks at the heart?</p>
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		<title>By: Thom</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2006/10/03/reaching-out/#comment-381</link>
		<dc:creator>Thom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 14:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2006/10/03/reaching-out/#comment-381</guid>
		<description>Consider the scripture passage about eh adulterous woman who was brought to Jesus to be stoned. Jesus said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" and he knelt down and began writing on the ground. What he wrote there we do not know. What we do know is that all her accusers walked away and Jesus spoke truth to the woman when He told her "neither do I condemn thee, go and sin no more" (paraphrase - I don't condemn you but stop what you were doing. don't do it again).  We often hear people quote the first part of the passage. Everyone likes that "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"; non-believers love to quote that one when confronted with their OWN sin.  But the more significant part of the passage is that Jesus said He did not condemn her AND told her to quit sinning.  However you are tempted, whatver your weaknesses are, Jesus does not condemn you - BUT He also tells all of us to stop the sinful behavior.  The Christian person with homosexual temptations and fixations must not act on his feelings and must submit to the Lordship of Christ - "bringing every thought captive".  Just like the Christian person with heterosexual temptations and lusty fixations outside of his FIRST marriage, must not act on his feelings either.  Just like the gambler who must not put himself in situations to gamble.  Just like the GOSSIP who needs to bridle their tongue.  Just like the Christian who must choose not to gorge themselves with food and become a glutton. ( you don't hear many preachers talk about gluttony)  Just like the alcoholic that must choose each day not to drink. Just like the adulterous woman in the scripture - hear Jesus saying "I don't condemn you - my desire is not to stone you - BUT, I am telling you to go and sin no more."  Choose this day whom you will serve - yourself (flesh, lust) or the Lord Jesus. It's a daily choice for EACH of us - no matter your tendency, temptation or orientation.  I think Kirk has been brave in this situation and must suport him with my prayers and kindness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consider the scripture passage about eh adulterous woman who was brought to Jesus to be stoned. Jesus said &#8220;let he who is without sin cast the first stone&#8221; and he knelt down and began writing on the ground. What he wrote there we do not know. What we do know is that all her accusers walked away and Jesus spoke truth to the woman when He told her &#8220;neither do I condemn thee, go and sin no more&#8221; (paraphrase - I don&#8217;t condemn you but stop what you were doing. don&#8217;t do it again).  We often hear people quote the first part of the passage. Everyone likes that &#8220;let he who is without sin cast the first stone&#8221;; non-believers love to quote that one when confronted with their OWN sin.  But the more significant part of the passage is that Jesus said He did not condemn her AND told her to quit sinning.  However you are tempted, whatver your weaknesses are, Jesus does not condemn you - BUT He also tells all of us to stop the sinful behavior.  The Christian person with homosexual temptations and fixations must not act on his feelings and must submit to the Lordship of Christ - &#8220;bringing every thought captive&#8221;.  Just like the Christian person with heterosexual temptations and lusty fixations outside of his FIRST marriage, must not act on his feelings either.  Just like the gambler who must not put himself in situations to gamble.  Just like the GOSSIP who needs to bridle their tongue.  Just like the Christian who must choose not to gorge themselves with food and become a glutton. ( you don&#8217;t hear many preachers talk about gluttony)  Just like the alcoholic that must choose each day not to drink. Just like the adulterous woman in the scripture - hear Jesus saying &#8220;I don&#8217;t condemn you - my desire is not to stone you - BUT, I am telling you to go and sin no more.&#8221;  Choose this day whom you will serve - yourself (flesh, lust) or the Lord Jesus. It&#8217;s a daily choice for EACH of us - no matter your tendency, temptation or orientation.  I think Kirk has been brave in this situation and must suport him with my prayers and kindness.</p>
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		<title>By: niven</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2006/10/03/reaching-out/#comment-380</link>
		<dc:creator>niven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 14:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2006/10/03/reaching-out/#comment-380</guid>
		<description>Avery...when you changed the format of your site were you expecting it to turn into another endless back and forth thread about homosexuality?...I liked it better when responders commented to and about you rather than each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Avery&#8230;when you changed the format of your site were you expecting it to turn into another endless back and forth thread about homosexuality?&#8230;I liked it better when responders commented to and about you rather than each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2006/10/03/reaching-out/#comment-379</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 13:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2006/10/03/reaching-out/#comment-379</guid>
		<description>Well said Damon.  I was thinking about my own life as I read your comments.  I do not have some sins in my life, but, sometimes my heart is bitter, filled with greed, and yes even jealousy and I don't pray and read my bible like I should, but, God is so full of Grace and Mercy.  I should show more of that myself.  Thanks for the read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Damon.  I was thinking about my own life as I read your comments.  I do not have some sins in my life, but, sometimes my heart is bitter, filled with greed, and yes even jealousy and I don&#8217;t pray and read my bible like I should, but, God is so full of Grace and Mercy.  I should show more of that myself.  Thanks for the read.</p>
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		<title>By: Damon from KY</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2006/10/03/reaching-out/#comment-378</link>
		<dc:creator>Damon from KY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 03:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2006/10/03/reaching-out/#comment-378</guid>
		<description>Thanks, Jim2, for that helpful quote from MacArthur.  For me, the only parts of this discussion (here or elsewhere is Christendom) that rub me wrong are the short comments that read as if this is an easy issue (i.e. it's a choice; just change!).  I agree that homosexual acts are sinful, but American culture is full of ingrained sinful living that cannot easily be turned off like a lightswitch (greed, lust, bitterness, gossip, racism, sexism, pride).  Many good Christians struggle with these issues because they grew up in environments where these sins were not confronted or addressed.  God can transform anyone from anything, but people who think that the best way to address homosexual sin is to tell the individuals to just "change" are not understanding how difficult that would be.  If you have ever spoken to a openly racist Christian (very common among seniors in the south), you might have an idea how hard it can be to 1) convince the person they are wrong to begin with, and 2) make any progress towards leading the person to a healthy Christ-like view of other races.  The mindsets (racist and gay) are different and I am not equating them, but the process and obstacles of confronting the sin are similar.

Finally, Rick, I have never thought much of the "Jesus never mentioned homosexuality" argument.  While homosexuality was not unheard of in the Roman Empire, no one was challenging the Jewish culture or leaders on whether it was consistent with their faith.  Throughout scripture, homosexual behavior is condemned EVERY TIME it is mentioned.  In a culture today where anything short of full endorsement is viewed as hateful, I think homosexuality  has to be addressed, though with the same love and compassion we show with all other sinners who can be saved by grace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Jim2, for that helpful quote from MacArthur.  For me, the only parts of this discussion (here or elsewhere is Christendom) that rub me wrong are the short comments that read as if this is an easy issue (i.e. it&#8217;s a choice; just change!).  I agree that homosexual acts are sinful, but American culture is full of ingrained sinful living that cannot easily be turned off like a lightswitch (greed, lust, bitterness, gossip, racism, sexism, pride).  Many good Christians struggle with these issues because they grew up in environments where these sins were not confronted or addressed.  God can transform anyone from anything, but people who think that the best way to address homosexual sin is to tell the individuals to just &#8220;change&#8221; are not understanding how difficult that would be.  If you have ever spoken to a openly racist Christian (very common among seniors in the south), you might have an idea how hard it can be to 1) convince the person they are wrong to begin with, and 2) make any progress towards leading the person to a healthy Christ-like view of other races.  The mindsets (racist and gay) are different and I am not equating them, but the process and obstacles of confronting the sin are similar.</p>
<p>Finally, Rick, I have never thought much of the &#8220;Jesus never mentioned homosexuality&#8221; argument.  While homosexuality was not unheard of in the Roman Empire, no one was challenging the Jewish culture or leaders on whether it was consistent with their faith.  Throughout scripture, homosexual behavior is condemned EVERY TIME it is mentioned.  In a culture today where anything short of full endorsement is viewed as hateful, I think homosexuality  has to be addressed, though with the same love and compassion we show with all other sinners who can be saved by grace.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim2</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2006/10/03/reaching-out/#comment-377</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 01:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was reading an article by John MacArthur on the Crosswalk website today and thought his comments would have good application to this discussion:

"The church will really change society for the better only when individual believers make their chief concern their own spiritual maturity, which means living in a way that honors God's commands and glorifies His name. Such a concern inherently includes a firm grasp on Scripture and an understanding that its primary mandate to us is to know Christ and proclaim His gospel. A godly attitude coupled with godly living makes the saving message of the gospel credible to the unsaved. If we claim to be saved but still convey proud, unloving attitudes toward the lost, our preaching and teaching-no matter how doctrinally orthodox or politically savvy and persuasive-will be ignored or rejected."

Just a "for what it's worth"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was reading an article by John MacArthur on the Crosswalk website today and thought his comments would have good application to this discussion:</p>
<p>&#8220;The church will really change society for the better only when individual believers make their chief concern their own spiritual maturity, which means living in a way that honors God&#8217;s commands and glorifies His name. Such a concern inherently includes a firm grasp on Scripture and an understanding that its primary mandate to us is to know Christ and proclaim His gospel. A godly attitude coupled with godly living makes the saving message of the gospel credible to the unsaved. If we claim to be saved but still convey proud, unloving attitudes toward the lost, our preaching and teaching-no matter how doctrinally orthodox or politically savvy and persuasive-will be ignored or rejected.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just a &#8220;for what it&#8217;s worth&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2006/10/03/reaching-out/#comment-376</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 14:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether or not being gay is genetic or a choice, Jesus said to be born-again. We are all born in sin.</description>
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