Comments on: The unsense of SGN awards nominations http://averyfineline.com/2007/01/25/the-unsense-of-sgn-awards-nominations/ Criticism and commentary on southern gospel music and culture Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:00:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3 By: Billy D http://averyfineline.com/2007/01/25/the-unsense-of-sgn-awards-nominations/#comment-40603 Billy D Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:13:19 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/01/25/the-unsense-of-sgn-awards-nominations/#comment-40603 I personally know Steven Cheney and I want to add here that his nomination had to do with 2 things ... 1. Number of cuts in that given year 2. Professional writer means that he is not traveling in a full time capacity. I know that the group he is in does a limited schedule of about 20-30 dates a year. It seems that Doug would do a little more homework before he opens his mouth and inserts his foot. Besides ... I haven't heard anything he has done for our genre of music other than to belittle it and set himself up as some kind of SG no it all. Come on Doug ... give these people their due ... I bet you can't even list the cuts these people have had ... nor do you have a clue as to who should be listed or not. BD I personally know Steven Cheney and I want to add here that his nomination had to do with 2 things … 1. Number of cuts in that given year 2. Professional writer means that he is not traveling in a full time capacity. I know that the group he is in does a limited schedule of about 20-30 dates a year. It seems that Doug would do a little more homework before he opens his mouth and inserts his foot. Besides … I haven’t heard anything he has done for our genre of music other than to belittle it and set himself up as some kind of SG no it all. Come on Doug … give these people their due … I bet you can’t even list the cuts these people have had … nor do you have a clue as to who should be listed or not.

BD

]]> By: JW http://averyfineline.com/2007/01/25/the-unsense-of-sgn-awards-nominations/#comment-4600 JW Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:41:57 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/01/25/the-unsense-of-sgn-awards-nominations/#comment-4600 I could use an extra door stop. I thought these things are useless? Am I confused..... I could use an extra door stop.

I thought these things are useless? Am I confused…..

]]> By: David Bruce Murray http://averyfineline.com/2007/01/25/the-unsense-of-sgn-awards-nominations/#comment-4598 David Bruce Murray Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:35:10 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/01/25/the-unsense-of-sgn-awards-nominations/#comment-4598 In addition to what I wrote above in response to Doug's article, the reason Ronny Hinson is listed as Songwriter (Professional) rather than on the artist side is due to how he primarily functioned during 2006 only. The fact that he toured with his family group as an artist years ago is not relevant. He's a staff writer for Daywind. Even if he did make a few appearances, he doesn't regularly perform any more. I don't know enough about how often Steven Cheney performs to comment one way or the other, so it's possible Doug may have a point there. In addition to what I wrote above in response to Doug’s article, the reason Ronny Hinson is listed as Songwriter (Professional) rather than on the artist side is due to how he primarily functioned during 2006 only. The fact that he toured with his family group as an artist years ago is not relevant. He’s a staff writer for Daywind. Even if he did make a few appearances, he doesn’t regularly perform any more.

I don’t know enough about how often Steven Cheney performs to comment one way or the other, so it’s possible Doug may have a point there.

]]> By: GospelMusicFan http://averyfineline.com/2007/01/25/the-unsense-of-sgn-awards-nominations/#comment-4593 GospelMusicFan Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:51:11 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/01/25/the-unsense-of-sgn-awards-nominations/#comment-4593 Just imagine if we didn't have each other. We wouldn't have any interesting ideas to discuss. Just imagine if we didn’t have each other.
We wouldn’t have any interesting ideas to discuss.

]]> By: David Bruce Murray http://averyfineline.com/2007/01/25/the-unsense-of-sgn-awards-nominations/#comment-4580 David Bruce Murray Fri, 26 Jan 2007 06:24:59 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/01/25/the-unsense-of-sgn-awards-nominations/#comment-4580 There's a sort of nasty glee that tends to come out when any popular entity in SG is criticized. I'm an ex-SGN staffer, as many probably know, but now that I'm on the other side of the coin, I still don't see the point in it. I'm referring more to some of these responses...not Doug's article. Now, regarding Doug's article, I'll approach it from this angle: On one side of this industry, we have the Singing News Fan Awards (which are selected by fans, obviously) and at the other extreme are the Harmony Awards (which are selected by industry peers). Of course, there's a slew of other awards, that, in my opinion, tend to mimic the SG Fan Awards with slight variations. The concept behind SGN's awards does stand out, IMO. Rather than allowing fans to merely vote for their favorites, the SGN staff makes nominations based on perceived accomplishments in the past year. There's two distinctions there. The staff nominates. They base nominations on perceived accomplishments IN THE PAST YEAR ONLY rather than overall popularity. It's the second part that has always confused fans for some reason. While I absolutely don't agree with all the nominations (and who ever does?), the fact that it isn't the same list of nominees and subsequent winners year in and year out has to be positive. The fact that it's based on accomplishments from one year only, IMO, is what an annual awards show always ought to be about. Do we really need to know that for the 12th year in a row, Roger Bennett is still the fan's favorite? (SN Fan Awards) or that Jeff Stice is the best piano player in the business? (Harmony Awards) Well, evidently, yes, we do. But SGN's approach should at least appeal to an academic like Doug by demanding that some actual thought go into the process of voting. I agree that some SSE clients have an edge, but it's really not as bad as it looks. Keep in mind that the SGN staff isn't just the Unthank family. Regular review writers like James Hales, regular columnists, etc., all have a say in the nomination process. If these contributors have the same relationship I had when I was on the SGN staff, their articles are donated, so they really have no compelling reason to support SSE clients with nominations. On the negative side, I don't think the staff, having made the nominations, ought to vote in the awards themselves, but they do...or at least, we did in the past. But that's a minor gripe. Singing News Fan Awards carry the most weight (though they may take a hit in 2007 with recent changes in categories). It only stands to reason that Fan Awards are the most popular type of awards for fans. Aside from Fan Awards, though, the SGN Awards and Harmony Awards are the only other awards that any artist should care about winning. There’s a sort of nasty glee that tends to come out when any popular entity in SG is criticized. I’m an ex-SGN staffer, as many probably know, but now that I’m on the other side of the coin, I still don’t see the point in it. I’m referring more to some of these responses…not Doug’s article.

Now, regarding Doug’s article, I’ll approach it from this angle:
On one side of this industry, we have the Singing News Fan Awards (which are selected by fans, obviously) and at the other extreme are the Harmony Awards (which are selected by industry peers).

Of course, there’s a slew of other awards, that, in my opinion, tend to mimic the SG Fan Awards with slight variations.

The concept behind SGN’s awards does stand out, IMO. Rather than allowing fans to merely vote for their favorites, the SGN staff makes nominations based on perceived accomplishments in the past year. There’s two distinctions there. The staff nominates. They base nominations on perceived accomplishments IN THE PAST YEAR ONLY rather than overall popularity. It’s the second part that has always confused fans for some reason.

While I absolutely don’t agree with all the nominations (and who ever does?), the fact that it isn’t the same list of nominees and subsequent winners year in and year out has to be positive. The fact that it’s based on accomplishments from one year only, IMO, is what an annual awards show always ought to be about. Do we really need to know that for the 12th year in a row, Roger Bennett is still the fan’s favorite? (SN Fan Awards) or that Jeff Stice is the best piano player in the business? (Harmony Awards)

Well, evidently, yes, we do.

But SGN’s approach should at least appeal to an academic like Doug by demanding that some actual thought go into the process of voting.

I agree that some SSE clients have an edge, but it’s really not as bad as it looks. Keep in mind that the SGN staff isn’t just the Unthank family. Regular review writers like James Hales, regular columnists, etc., all have a say in the nomination process. If these contributors have the same relationship I had when I was on the SGN staff, their articles are donated, so they really have no compelling reason to support SSE clients with nominations.

On the negative side, I don’t think the staff, having made the nominations, ought to vote in the awards themselves, but they do…or at least, we did in the past. But that’s a minor gripe.

Singing News Fan Awards carry the most weight (though they may take a hit in 2007 with recent changes in categories). It only stands to reason that Fan Awards are the most popular type of awards for fans.

Aside from Fan Awards, though, the SGN Awards and Harmony Awards are the only other awards that any artist should care about winning.

]]> By: JB http://averyfineline.com/2007/01/25/the-unsense-of-sgn-awards-nominations/#comment-4573 JB Fri, 26 Jan 2007 01:48:51 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/01/25/the-unsense-of-sgn-awards-nominations/#comment-4573 Im suprised that they didn't nominate Sunday Edition. lol Im suprised that they didn’t nominate Sunday Edition. lol

]]> By: DM http://averyfineline.com/2007/01/25/the-unsense-of-sgn-awards-nominations/#comment-4571 DM Fri, 26 Jan 2007 01:20:49 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/01/25/the-unsense-of-sgn-awards-nominations/#comment-4571 In time the awards show up at Goodwil or e-bay. In time the awards show up at Goodwil or e-bay.

]]> By: scy http://averyfineline.com/2007/01/25/the-unsense-of-sgn-awards-nominations/#comment-4568 scy Fri, 26 Jan 2007 00:22:49 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/01/25/the-unsense-of-sgn-awards-nominations/#comment-4568 I can't even imagine what the winners do with these awards! I'm wondering if all the nominees show up for the ceremony. I can’t even imagine what the winners do with these awards! I’m wondering if all the nominees show up for the ceremony.

]]> By: GC http://averyfineline.com/2007/01/25/the-unsense-of-sgn-awards-nominations/#comment-4565 GC Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:42:22 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/01/25/the-unsense-of-sgn-awards-nominations/#comment-4565 Why is Phil Cross always passed over on these awards? He had several radio hits this year by numerous artist. Just curious.. Why is Phil Cross always passed over on these awards? He had several radio hits this year by numerous artist. Just curious..

]]> By: Daniel J. Mount http://averyfineline.com/2007/01/25/the-unsense-of-sgn-awards-nominations/#comment-4564 Daniel J. Mount Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:32:24 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/01/25/the-unsense-of-sgn-awards-nominations/#comment-4564 Do the Unthanks do promotion for the Kingsmen? Do the Unthanks do promotion for the Kingsmen?

]]> By: BL http://averyfineline.com/2007/01/25/the-unsense-of-sgn-awards-nominations/#comment-4561 BL Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:47:38 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/01/25/the-unsense-of-sgn-awards-nominations/#comment-4561 Where is Annie McRae in the list? They have a song nominated for song of the year so logically she would be nominated for the song writer award, right? Where is Annie McRae in the list? They have a song nominated for song of the year so logically she would be nominated for the song writer award, right?

]]> By: Bethany http://averyfineline.com/2007/01/25/the-unsense-of-sgn-awards-nominations/#comment-4560 Bethany Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:27:39 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/01/25/the-unsense-of-sgn-awards-nominations/#comment-4560 Bravo!!!!!!!!!!!! Bravo!!!!!!!!!!!!

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