Comments on: Piracy and sg http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/ Criticism and commentary on southern gospel music and culture Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:10:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3 By: Joseph http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-10387 Joseph Mon, 09 Apr 2007 19:36:34 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-10387 Hahahaha. How can SG music even be involved in piracy? Does anyone still have an 8-Track copier? I can't believe it's even an issue, judging that an SG demographic, IMO, has just realized what a CD is, yet still request tapes over the internet and at the record table. And when your demographic on the average is a 70 year old female (not a fact, yet I would like to know the facts), I don't think piracy is really that big of a deal in SG. I think it's a generation of elderly, which makes me refer to NQC as the National Nursing Home Convention, that might not be around next year to buy your product. If that is not a concern, then I want to see a motorized scooter race at NQC 2007. Please? There's enough there to represent each driver in NASCAR. They can be painted, with little numbers. Why not? Hahahaha. How can SG music even be involved in piracy? Does anyone still have an 8-Track copier? I can’t believe it’s even an issue, judging that an SG demographic, IMO, has just realized what a CD is, yet still request tapes over the internet and at the record table. And when your demographic on the average is a 70 year old female (not a fact, yet I would like to know the facts), I don’t think piracy is really that big of a deal in SG. I think it’s a generation of elderly, which makes me refer to NQC as the National Nursing Home Convention, that might not be around next year to buy your product. If that is not a concern, then I want to see a motorized scooter race at NQC 2007. Please? There’s enough there to represent each driver in NASCAR. They can be painted, with little numbers. Why not?

]]> By: David Bruce Murray http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-8368 David Bruce Murray Sun, 01 Apr 2007 04:15:24 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-8368 The actual law itself is here: http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap10.html The actual law itself is here:
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap10.html

]]> By: David Bruce Murray http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-8367 David Bruce Murray Sun, 01 Apr 2007 04:14:19 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-8367 From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use "For instance, the Audio Home Recording Act establishes that it is legal in some circumstances to make copies of audio recordings for noncommercial personal use." You might also be interested in: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_Home_Recording_Act A quote from that article states: ""[t]he purpose of[the Act] is to ensure the right of consumers to make analog or digital audio recordings of copyrighted music for their private, noncommercial use."" From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use
“For instance, the Audio Home Recording Act establishes that it is legal in some circumstances to make copies of audio recordings for noncommercial personal use.”

You might also be interested in:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_Home_Recording_Act

A quote from that article states: “”[t]he purpose of[the Act] is to ensure the right of consumers to make analog or digital audio recordings of copyrighted music for their private, noncommercial use.”"

]]> By: quartet-man http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-8298 quartet-man Sat, 31 Mar 2007 16:09:16 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-8298 JB, you hit another nail on the head. Whether or not it is technically illegal, I see nothing wrong with making a backup of a cd, enlarging sheet music, making a copy to use instead of damaging the original etc. so as long as you are not doing it to keep from buying another copy (meaning both are in use at the same time.) Those may not be the proper legal ways, but it only makes sense if you have paid for it and are not costing them sales. If they say you are buying the CD, then copying it is not infringing on the CD. If they say you are buying the music on the CD, then you should have the right to use the music on other CD's since you paid for it. :) JB, you hit another nail on the head. Whether or not it is technically illegal, I see nothing wrong with making a backup of a cd, enlarging sheet music, making a copy to use instead of damaging the original etc. so as long as you are not doing it to keep from buying another copy (meaning both are in use at the same time.) Those may not be the proper legal ways, but it only makes sense if you have paid for it and are not costing them sales.

If they say you are buying the CD, then copying it is not infringing on the CD. If they say you are buying the music on the CD, then you should have the right to use the music on other CD’s since you paid for it. :)

]]> By: jb http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-8250 jb Sat, 31 Mar 2007 13:18:09 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-8250 Lets face it, downloading and burning CD's is going to happen. I've even burned a couple myself. I've even made a copy of sheet music so I could enlarge the print and read it. Did I feel like a thief, no....I was doing it for me and not selling it or giving it to anyone else. I guess I am just naive enough to think that there are a lot more problems out there than "piracy in SG"... Lets face it, downloading and burning CD’s is going to happen. I’ve even burned a couple myself. I’ve even made a copy of sheet music so I could enlarge the print and read it. Did I feel like a thief, no….I was doing it for me and not selling it or giving it to anyone else. I guess I am just naive enough to think that there are a lot more problems out there than “piracy in SG”…

]]> By: quartet-man http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-8019 quartet-man Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:49:12 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-8019 I think those who copy CD's for friends and those who get the songs for free are stealing. However, although against copyright laws, I don't see that making copies of things out of print are taking money away from them because they are not trying to sell them. I guess one could argue that you may be taking away possible future earnings, but most of the time they have no plans to release them. :-) Also, the secondary market sells the originals and they see no money from them. (Although I am sure they would love to get a piece of that action too.) I think those who copy CD’s for friends and those who get the songs for free are stealing. However, although against copyright laws, I don’t see that making copies of things out of print are taking money away from them because they are not trying to sell them. I guess one could argue that you may be taking away possible future earnings, but most of the time they have no plans to release them. :-) Also, the secondary market sells the originals and they see no money from them. (Although I am sure they would love to get a piece of that action too.)

]]> By: Al http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-7984 Al Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:34:57 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-7984 Remember Napster? I was surprised when a friend told me that my then-newest CD was available for download on Napster. Back then, you could access it to see how many times it - or songs from it - had been downloaded. When I saw the figure, I was shocked. I'm an independent artist, and the budget for my newest CD was between $35K and $40K. Thankfully the sales justify that. Major artists will have recording budgets a lot higher than that. But every single one of those downloads cost me the profit margin of each CD that otherwise would have sold. Now I'm going to BurnLounge, which is like iTunes just a lot less expensive to join. I still find it hard to believe that the people who would be interested in a Christian CD, or songs from one, would download a pirated copy. Color me naive, I guess. Remember Napster? I was surprised when a friend told me that my then-newest CD was available for download on Napster. Back then, you could access it to see how many times it - or songs from it - had been downloaded. When I saw the figure, I was shocked. I’m an independent artist, and the budget for my newest CD was between $35K and $40K. Thankfully the sales justify that. Major artists will have recording budgets a lot higher than that. But every single one of those downloads cost me the profit margin of each CD that otherwise would have sold. Now I’m going to BurnLounge, which is like iTunes just a lot less expensive to join. I still find it hard to believe that the people who would be interested in a Christian CD, or songs from one, would download a pirated copy. Color me naive, I guess.

]]> By: www.southerngospelblog.com » Blog Archive » Availability of SG Downloads: Part 2 http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-7755 www.southerngospelblog.com » Blog Archive » Availability of SG Downloads: Part 2 Fri, 30 Mar 2007 00:40:49 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-7755 [...] Doug Harrison at the Averyfineline blog suggests that piracy in Southern Gospel is a moot point because so few SG albums are available for digital download. I decided to check iTunes and eMusic to see what kind of selection they had. [...] […] Doug Harrison at the Averyfineline blog suggests that piracy in Southern Gospel is a moot point because so few SG albums are available for digital download. I decided to check iTunes and eMusic to see what kind of selection they had. […]

]]> By: RF http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-7744 RF Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:25:19 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-7744 Not to worry PF. I was being silly and a smart alleck. That was my point. A lot of folks think that ministers and singers and others should do their work for free because they're doing it for the Lord. I'm surprised no one else caught that. I've paid for every piece of music I have in my collection (except for gifts). I make extra copies for my car or to back up something I'm afraid will get damaged. I buy music on i-tunes and put them on my Nano. Although the RIAA would say that's stealing, I don't see it that way. I never make copies for my friends (they don't ask anyway--there's too many free sites where they can get it). File sharing is illegal. I'll leave it at that. Are they robbing artists? I always think that a person who goes through that trouble to not buy music wouldn't buy it anyway, but that's just me. Not to worry PF.

I was being silly and a smart alleck. That was my point. A lot of folks think that ministers and singers and others should do their work for free because they’re doing it for the Lord. I’m surprised no one else caught that.

I’ve paid for every piece of music I have in my collection (except for gifts). I make extra copies for my car or to back up something I’m afraid will get damaged. I buy music on i-tunes and put them on my Nano. Although the RIAA would say that’s stealing, I don’t see it that way. I never make copies for my friends (they don’t ask anyway–there’s too many free sites where they can get it). File sharing is illegal. I’ll leave it at that. Are they robbing artists? I always think that a person who goes through that trouble to not buy music wouldn’t buy it anyway, but that’s just me.

]]> By: dkd http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-7722 dkd Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:39:24 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-7722 Practical Fellow: Amen..! Practical Fellow:
Amen..!

]]> By: Practical Fellow http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-7682 Practical Fellow Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:16:38 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-7682 RF - in post #2 you said "if it’s a ministry, why all the gnashing of teeth over someone sharing? Just asking." [deep breath] Preachers, evangelists, ministers, etc. presumably have a God-given calling, but in most cases they still get paid for their work. It doesn't make their ministry any less annointed or effective. And Mastercard doesn't let ministers off the hook when it comes to paying their bill. Neither does the electric company, the phone company, Wal-Mart or Starbucks. So with that concept in mind, if you work your fanny off to write, arrange and record a musical project then you have the right to earn money off of that work. Why should people who write and record sacred music have to give their music away? I get it that sometimes records are no longer in print and so you copy your buddy Leroy's so you can enjoy the original live recording of "God Walks the Dark Hills". But most of the time, people who pirate music just don't want to pay. And in Christian circles they steal in the name of 'ministry' and put the artist on the spot for not being generous enough. [Sigh] Sorry if I spewed on you RF. RF - in post #2 you said “if it’s a ministry, why all the gnashing of teeth over someone sharing? Just asking.”

[deep breath] Preachers, evangelists, ministers, etc. presumably have a God-given calling, but in most cases they still get paid for their work. It doesn’t make their ministry any less annointed or effective. And Mastercard doesn’t let ministers off the hook when it comes to paying their bill. Neither does the electric company, the phone company, Wal-Mart or Starbucks.

So with that concept in mind, if you work your fanny off to write, arrange and record a musical project then you have the right to earn money off of that work. Why should people who write and record sacred music have to give their music away? I get it that sometimes records are no longer in print and so you copy your buddy Leroy’s so you can enjoy the original live recording of “God Walks the Dark Hills”. But most of the time, people who pirate music just don’t want to pay. And in Christian circles they steal in the name of ‘ministry’ and put the artist on the spot for not being generous enough.

[Sigh] Sorry if I spewed on you RF.

]]> By: Bob http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-7456 Bob Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:21:02 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-7456 All that a lock does is keep and honest person honest! No matter what anyone in any business, be it recording, publishing, etc. tries someone out there will foil their effort and find a way. Regardless of how someone got the material, it WILL be pirated. The biggest question here is why aren't more SG groups offering their product on iTunes and the likes? THE ANSWER! Less revenue! Instead of paying $15-20 for a cd with 10 songs, the buyer can choose the entire cd or just the selections they wish (and ifin you only want one - it is far cheaper than buying an entire CD for one track!) Until everyone (well, not EVERYONE, but most) in this industry gets their heads out of the sand on this - there will never be a proliferation of SG on places like iTunes. SG is full of hucksters and penny-pinchers..... All that a lock does is keep and honest person honest!

No matter what anyone in any business, be it recording, publishing, etc. tries someone out there will foil their effort and find a way.

Regardless of how someone got the material, it WILL be pirated. The biggest question here is why aren’t more SG groups offering their product on iTunes and the likes?

THE ANSWER! Less revenue! Instead of paying $15-20 for a cd with 10 songs, the buyer can choose the entire cd or just the selections they wish (and ifin you only want one - it is far cheaper than buying an entire CD for one track!)

Until everyone (well, not EVERYONE, but most) in this industry gets their heads out of the sand on this - there will never be a proliferation of SG on places like iTunes. SG is full of hucksters and penny-pinchers…..

]]> By: www.southerngospelblog.com » Blog Archive » Availability of SG Downloads http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-7451 www.southerngospelblog.com » Blog Archive » Availability of SG Downloads Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:25:34 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-7451 [...] Doug Harrison at the Averyfineline blog suggests that piracy in Southern Gospel is a moot point because so few SG albums are available for digital download. Now someone can purchase a CD and duplicate it illegally, and in SG that is probably a bigger problem than the digital downloads. [...] […] Doug Harrison at the Averyfineline blog suggests that piracy in Southern Gospel is a moot point because so few SG albums are available for digital download. Now someone can purchase a CD and duplicate it illegally, and in SG that is probably a bigger problem than the digital downloads. […]

]]> By: Steve http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-7443 Steve Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:38:41 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-7443 Off topic alert. Ok, I hadn't tried to find any sg on iTunes for quite a while. After reading RF's post I went to check out some of the KH clips. I was scrolling through their list of albums and noticed "White Christmas." I probably expected to recognize most of the song titles, so my brain was probably trying to look at the fewest letters and words possible. Anyway, I did a double take when I (mis)read one song title - "Let's Make a Baby." Wha?! Oops. Funny how the mind works (or doesn't sometimes). Now back to the relevant comments. Off topic alert. Ok, I hadn’t tried to find any sg on iTunes for quite a while. After reading RF’s post I went to check out some of the KH clips.

I was scrolling through their list of albums and noticed “White Christmas.” I probably expected to recognize most of the song titles, so my brain was probably trying to look at the fewest letters and words possible. Anyway, I did a double take when I (mis)read one song title - “Let’s Make a Baby.” Wha?!

Oops. Funny how the mind works (or doesn’t sometimes).

Now back to the relevant comments.

]]> By: Jim E. Davis http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-7439 Jim E. Davis Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:41:33 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-7439 Bravo! Avery's post and accompanying comments are the very reason I visit here often. I love truth. Bravo! Avery’s post and accompanying comments are the very reason I visit here often. I love truth.

]]> By: DAND http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-7436 DAND Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:22:45 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-7436 The piracy issue is more than just dealing with digital music. Granted, digital music in the SG genre is new and hard to come by. However, there are other piracy issues mentioned in the blogs referenced here that are much more prevalent. Issues like copying tapes and CDs or "mix" tapes/CDs and giving to your friends, making copies of sheet music, etc. are piracy issues that have been around for a long time and, unfortunately, have become passe due to the focus on digital media. Certainly, digital music/video and the piracy of such is much more of an issue in the general mass market. The piracy issue is more than just dealing with digital music. Granted, digital music in the SG genre is new and hard to come by. However, there are other piracy issues mentioned in the blogs referenced here that are much more prevalent. Issues like copying tapes and CDs or “mix” tapes/CDs and giving to your friends, making copies of sheet music, etc. are piracy issues that have been around for a long time and, unfortunately, have become passe due to the focus on digital media. Certainly, digital music/video and the piracy of such is much more of an issue in the general mass market.

]]> By: GospelMusicFan http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-7413 GospelMusicFan Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:10:39 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-7413 I might want to like the host of this blog when I grow up someday on this issue. "Some of you are sticking your heads in the sand on the issue of piracy. Its almost like the foolish man building his house on the san. It happens all the time and Christians freely admit they do it on Christian's websites and settings." I might want to like the host of this blog when I grow up someday on this issue.
“Some of you are sticking your heads in the sand on the issue of piracy. Its almost like the foolish man building his house on the san. It happens all the time and Christians freely admit they do it on Christian’s websites and settings.”

]]> By: RF http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-7361 RF Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:06:50 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-7361 Amen, PF. Trying to find digital music, even if you're paying for it, is next to impossible. I looked for KH's "Off the Record" for three months until I-Tunes finally decided to offer it. In many cases, that's the only way I get new sg, unless I order directly from the goups which can be a long and laborious process. And if it's a ministry, why all the gnashing of teeth over someone sharing? Just asking. Amen, PF.

Trying to find digital music, even if you’re paying for it, is next to impossible. I looked for KH’s “Off the Record” for three months until I-Tunes finally decided to offer it. In many cases, that’s the only way I get new sg, unless I order directly from the goups which can be a long and laborious process.

And if it’s a ministry, why all the gnashing of teeth over someone sharing?

Just asking.

]]> By: Practical Fellow http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-7343 Practical Fellow Wed, 28 Mar 2007 02:40:12 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/03/28/piracy-and-sg/#comment-7343 If there's any piracy in Southern Gospel, I'd say its by the artists and record companies that don't pay royalties to the songwriters. If there’s any piracy in Southern Gospel, I’d say its by the artists and record companies that don’t pay royalties to the songwriters.

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