Comments on: The Perrys, cont’d http://averyfineline.com/2007/05/11/the-perrys-contd/ Criticism and commentary on southern gospel music Tue, 22 May 2012 19:28:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3 By: Joe D http://averyfineline.com/2007/05/11/the-perrys-contd/#comment-484115 Joe D Thu, 05 Jun 2008 17:50:36 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/05/11/the-perrys-contd/#comment-484115 I just heard the perrys saturday and have to say, Joseph was great. One of my friends thought he came off a little cocky but thats the only criticism I heard and I didn't agree with it. I was able to speak with all of them and I have to say, Joseph was as approachable and charming as libbi was. I think they were Terrific, I do miss loren but... the perrys aren't hurt at all with joseph as lead. I just heard the perrys saturday and have to say, Joseph was great. One of my friends thought he came off a little cocky but thats the only criticism I heard and I didn’t agree with it. I was able to speak with all of them and I have to say, Joseph was as approachable and charming as libbi was. I think they were Terrific, I do miss loren but… the perrys aren’t hurt at all with joseph as lead.

]]> By: Repentant Blogger http://averyfineline.com/2007/05/11/the-perrys-contd/#comment-358479 Repentant Blogger Mon, 24 Mar 2008 06:50:41 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/05/11/the-perrys-contd/#comment-358479 It's a year down the road. How do you feel about Joe now??? HAVE YOU HEARD "LOOK NO FURTHER" AND "HOLY SHORE"?!? The Perrys including Joe and Nick just keep getting better and better. Who's eating their words now??? Are they bitter? It’s a year down the road. How do you feel about Joe now??? HAVE YOU HEARD “LOOK NO FURTHER” AND “HOLY SHORE”?!? The Perrys including Joe and Nick just keep getting better and better. Who’s eating their words now??? Are they bitter?

]]> By: Kevin Holland http://averyfineline.com/2007/05/11/the-perrys-contd/#comment-313649 Kevin Holland Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:16:35 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/05/11/the-perrys-contd/#comment-313649 Kevin Holland is my real name by the way. I remember the Lord responding to Pilate, Kevin Holland is my real name by the way. I remember the Lord responding to Pilate,

]]> By: JP http://averyfineline.com/2007/05/11/the-perrys-contd/#comment-24921 JP Thu, 24 May 2007 06:23:23 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/05/11/the-perrys-contd/#comment-24921 Joseph, Matthew, Nick, Tracy and Libbi ... God Bless you and your walk with God. Keep up the wonderful singing! Thank you for spreading the Word of God in song! Joseph, Matthew, Nick, Tracy and Libbi … God Bless you and your walk with God. Keep up the wonderful singing! Thank you for spreading the Word of God in song!

]]> By: JP http://averyfineline.com/2007/05/11/the-perrys-contd/#comment-24918 JP Thu, 24 May 2007 06:21:47 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/05/11/the-perrys-contd/#comment-24918 CrystalRiver, AMEN, way to sharpen iron! WoW ... spreading the Word of God in song must not be enough anymore? ... No, No ... it will always be enough ... how ever the Word goes forth ... it will not return void. CrystalRiver, AMEN, way to sharpen iron! WoW … spreading the Word of God in song must not be enough anymore? … No, No … it will always be enough … how ever the Word goes forth … it will not return void.

]]> By: wdm http://averyfineline.com/2007/05/11/the-perrys-contd/#comment-23999 wdm Wed, 23 May 2007 03:09:08 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/05/11/the-perrys-contd/#comment-23999 i've seen the perry's in concert several times this year. i love the jokes and the stage presence EVERY TIME! Joseph has a POWERFUL voice and i believe the new song "Gripe of Grace" will bring many to Christ. the best thing you can do (all of you) is to stop criticizing them and start praying for them... realize they spend long periods of time away from family and would greatly appreciate the prayers! i can't wait to see them this weekend in texas... the hanky, the passion for christ, and everything else that goes along with it! i’ve seen the perry’s in concert several times this year. i love the jokes and the stage presence EVERY TIME!

Joseph has a POWERFUL voice and i believe the new song “Gripe of Grace” will bring many to Christ.

the best thing you can do (all of you) is to stop criticizing them and start praying for them… realize they spend long periods of time away from family and would greatly appreciate the prayers!

i can’t wait to see them this weekend in texas… the hanky, the passion for christ, and everything else that goes along with it!

]]> By: KMan http://averyfineline.com/2007/05/11/the-perrys-contd/#comment-22898 KMan Mon, 21 May 2007 17:46:29 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/05/11/the-perrys-contd/#comment-22898 For the person who asked how Matthew Holt can concentrate while being picked on, I ask you, have you ever heard of the wrestling term "kayfabe"? It was a term used when "marks" would come around the wrestlers back in the day, and they'd start putting on their show. Want to know something? The whole picking on thing is a part of Tracy's stage gimmick. It's what he does as an MC, and he does it well. But go see the Perry's in another city the following night as you do, and the same jokes and pokes at Holt aren't going to be as funny as when you thought they were geniune in your hometown. They're basically pulling the wool over the eyes folks. Just a little bit of acting, even if it is dinner theatre. As for the lead singer problem: yes, he's probably no Loren Harris at this moment, but last time I checked Avery had no ownership stake in the Perry's. If it's a mistake for their sound, they'll learn much like The Kingsmen had to with Chris (I can't remember his last name) at tenor. For the person who asked how Matthew Holt can concentrate while being picked on, I ask you, have you ever heard of the wrestling term “kayfabe”?
It was a term used when “marks” would come around the wrestlers back in the day, and they’d start putting on their show. Want to know something? The whole picking on thing is a part of Tracy’s stage gimmick.
It’s what he does as an MC, and he does it well. But go see the Perry’s in another city the following night as you do, and the same jokes and pokes at Holt aren’t going to be as funny as when you thought they were geniune in your hometown.
They’re basically pulling the wool over the eyes folks. Just a little bit of acting, even if it is dinner theatre.
As for the lead singer problem: yes, he’s probably no Loren Harris at this moment, but last time I checked Avery had no ownership stake in the Perry’s. If it’s a mistake for their sound, they’ll learn much like The Kingsmen had to with Chris (I can’t remember his last name) at tenor.

]]> By: gc http://averyfineline.com/2007/05/11/the-perrys-contd/#comment-20111 gc Tue, 15 May 2007 21:47:17 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/05/11/the-perrys-contd/#comment-20111 MDT, Were you accusing Doug of an internet crime in Missouri? I do not know Doug,never met him as far as I know. I am in the industry, have been for a long time. If the artist( including myself )will read the things that are printed and said about them they can learn better ways to present themselves. Most publications sugar coat everything and give the artist false confidence in what they are distributing. With every great coach there is always a time of studying and improving on what they do and how they do it. They study film, review,consult with other professionals. JH is good! but criticism has positives. JH could look at things that are said and come to the conclusion that he might make some changes that will improve his music . This situation should make him better. There were some things said that hurt his feelings, were they true? Only he can answer that question. SG needs forums like this to discuss issues that have almost nailed the coffin on our genre of music. Not all things said are true nor perfect but it is a positive to address any and every part of SG. MDT,
Were you accusing Doug of an internet crime in Missouri?

I do not know Doug,never met him as far as I know. I am in the industry, have been for a long time. If the artist( including myself )will read the things that are printed and said about them they can learn better ways to present themselves. Most publications sugar coat everything and give the artist false confidence in what they are distributing.
With every great coach there is always a time of studying and improving on what they do and how they do it. They study film, review,consult with other professionals. JH is good! but criticism has positives. JH could look at things that are said and come to the conclusion that he might make some changes that will improve his music . This situation should make him better. There were some things said that hurt his feelings, were they true? Only he can answer that question.

SG needs forums like this to discuss issues that have almost nailed the coffin on our genre of music. Not all things said are true nor perfect but it is a positive to address any and every part of SG.

]]> By: Rod http://averyfineline.com/2007/05/11/the-perrys-contd/#comment-20098 Rod Tue, 15 May 2007 21:35:47 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/05/11/the-perrys-contd/#comment-20098 Uh OH they have called a detective on you now Doug...This habberdash clan means business. Uh OH they have called a detective on you now Doug…This habberdash clan means business.

]]> By: Geno http://averyfineline.com/2007/05/11/the-perrys-contd/#comment-20075 Geno Tue, 15 May 2007 21:01:58 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/05/11/the-perrys-contd/#comment-20075 Gee, MDT, Thanks so much for speaking at a level that we can all understand. Actually, I guess I prefer the other. Gee, MDT, Thanks so much for speaking at a level that we can all understand. Actually, I guess I prefer the other.

]]> By: Doug Sword http://averyfineline.com/2007/05/11/the-perrys-contd/#comment-19941 Doug Sword Tue, 15 May 2007 17:50:25 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/05/11/the-perrys-contd/#comment-19941 Doug Keep up the good work. There is a difference between honest criticism and character assassination. Unfortunately, it seems most SG fans don't understand that. Doug

Keep up the good work. There is a difference between honest criticism and character assassination. Unfortunately, it seems most SG fans don’t understand that.

]]> By: gc http://averyfineline.com/2007/05/11/the-perrys-contd/#comment-19937 gc Tue, 15 May 2007 17:19:28 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/05/11/the-perrys-contd/#comment-19937 Tim, Your defense of a family member is coming off as JH made the baseball and the bat, groomed the field, pitched a no-hitter blindfolded,sold popcorn between innings, performed the seventh inning stretch and hit the game winning home run while being interviewed by sports illustrated.He is a good lead singer,good young man, progressing songwriter but do not forget that The Perry's were beating the pavement before he was born and EVERY lead singer that the Perry's have hired has had some success.Traci and Libbi will be going when JH decides he is so good he will go solo. And Gaither having them on his stage does not mean success or that JH had anything to do with it. Quit talking, your hurting the situation. Tim,
Your defense of a family member is coming off as JH made the baseball and the bat, groomed the field, pitched a no-hitter blindfolded,sold popcorn between innings, performed the seventh inning stretch and hit the game winning home run while being interviewed by sports illustrated.He is a good lead singer,good young man, progressing songwriter but do not forget that The Perry’s were beating the pavement before he was born and EVERY lead singer that the Perry’s have hired has had some success.Traci and Libbi will be going when JH decides he is so good he will go solo. And Gaither having them on his stage does not mean success or that JH had anything to do with it. Quit talking, your hurting the situation.

]]> By: Tim Habedank http://averyfineline.com/2007/05/11/the-perrys-contd/#comment-19722 Tim Habedank Tue, 15 May 2007 04:46:40 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/05/11/the-perrys-contd/#comment-19722 Hey Avery its your favorite person again. Let me ask you this... who else, at 21, in southern gospel has the range, stage command, song writing abilty, and all around talent of Joe? Or someone who has ever been that talented at that age? Joe sings lead because he can... and how many Gaither concerts did the perrys get asked to when Loren was at lead? I love Loren to death, nothing against him. In fact when you first Bashed Joe Loren called him and said " Don't listen to him (you) your doing a great job". People who don't envy Joe seem to like his music. Hmmm ponder ponder. Hey Avery its your favorite person again. Let me ask you this… who else, at 21, in southern gospel has the range, stage command, song writing abilty, and all around talent of Joe? Or someone who has ever been that talented at that age? Joe sings lead because he can… and how many Gaither concerts did the perrys get asked to when Loren was at lead? I love Loren to death, nothing against him. In fact when you first Bashed Joe Loren called him and said ” Don’t listen to him (you) your doing a great job”. People who don’t envy Joe seem to like his music. Hmmm ponder ponder.

]]> By: MDT http://averyfineline.com/2007/05/11/the-perrys-contd/#comment-19689 MDT Tue, 15 May 2007 03:38:03 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/05/11/the-perrys-contd/#comment-19689 Doug, let me first explain to you and your readers who I am. My name is Mark Campbell and I was a police detective until Aug., 2005. I worked in police work for 24 years and my specialty areas of investigation were in homicide and working with computer voice stress analysis, CVSA, a form of truth verification. In this capacity I was trained to study people and personality traits associated with these persons. I was a state certified instructor and as you, can use the Queen's english in context. I prefer though to speak on a level that most all can understand. As an investigator and police detective, I never made a comment about someone or a personal observation without looking that person face to face and expressing my issues or concerns. The only time I ever did as you do, hide behind my computer, was when I worked internet crimes. And along that line Doug, has your picture ever been in a magazine published in Missouri? Just curious! Outside of this, I always went face to face with people that I found issue with. If you feel that you provide a service with your critiques, why not contact the artist personally and "help" them improve their craft. Have you ever tried to be in the singing industry? What qualifies you to critique another? These are questions I'm sure many of your readers wonder, but I'll ask. If your heart is true and you feel that you are doing what God has called you to do, as Joe Habedank feels he is, then don't you feel that God would equip you, and allow you to meet these artists face to face and share you concerns and love of southern gospel music with them. I truly believe that we need to encourage our young artists and grow them to keep this genre of music going. Is it wrong to allow HabeHolt music group an opportunity to share their music by the Perrys, Gold City, Brian Free and Assurance, Mark Trammell Trio, The Greenes and others recording their material and the "message" that the songs bring, being spread to those that in turn buy these pieces of material? Do you believe that the artists listed above know less than you as to what their fans like to hear and make them the stars of this genre as they are. This is a small pond in the large ocean of music that surrounds us. Why then would we intentionally strike down any performer that has followed God's call on their life and that is to tour and spread the gospel in song. And might I add, the best gospel music in the Christian music industry. Doug I am therefore asking you to search your heart and see if this blog is really what God would have you be doing, or is it in fact a blog that pleases satan because it causes dissention and strikes discord among the brethern. No matter how good Joseph Habeddank is, you appear to have something against him. I have read your blogs and on some issues may agree. Such as being a professional both on and off stage. I know Joseph both on and off. He's a 21 year old boy that is doing his best to follow God's call on his life. Should we put him under a microscope and judge him? One might say that he put himself under the judgement microscope by opening himself up to the common folk and being a Christian artist. But Doug if you placed yourself and ALL that You have done in your life, would you make "the grade"? Let's try to encourage and grow our youth that choose to pursue a career of Christian music, and if you really have something to say to a particular artist, step from behind your computer and contact that person and share with them face to face like a man, and as the bible tells us to confront our Christian brothers. I can be reached by phone at XXX-XXX-XXXX or should you wish to meet me face to face, I will make myself available to you at your discretion to discuss the issue of your unwarranted attacks on artists. I simply want you to realize the damage that you do, the hurt you bring in the things you print or don't print regarding artists, and how displeasing this must be to God for you to hinder the work of spreading the gospel, and pleasing to satan that we as Christians pick and bicker with one another, causing our testimony to be tainted. Call me Doug and let's meet sometime to clarify any areas that may seem ambiguous or gray to you. God bless you my friend and I hope that you will take my statement to heart and challenge yourself to rise above the hurt and anguish your blog represents. Doug, let me first explain to you and your readers who I am. My name is Mark Campbell and I was a police detective until Aug., 2005. I worked in police work for 24 years and my specialty areas of investigation were in homicide and working with computer voice stress analysis, CVSA, a form of truth verification. In this capacity I was trained to study people and personality traits associated with these persons. I was a state certified instructor and as you, can use the Queen’s english in context. I prefer though to speak on a level that most all can understand. As an investigator and police detective, I never made a comment about someone or a personal observation without looking that person face to face and expressing my issues or concerns. The only time I ever did as you do, hide behind my computer, was when I worked internet crimes. And along that line Doug, has your picture ever been in a magazine published in Missouri? Just curious! Outside of this, I always went face to face with people that I found issue with. If you feel that you provide a service with your critiques, why not contact the artist personally and “help” them improve their craft. Have you ever tried to be in the singing industry? What qualifies you to critique another? These are questions I’m sure many of your readers wonder, but I’ll ask. If your heart is true and you feel that you are doing what God has called you to do, as Joe Habedank feels he is, then don’t you feel that God would equip you, and allow you to meet these artists face to face and share you concerns and love of southern gospel music with them. I truly believe that we need to encourage our young artists and grow them to keep this genre of music going. Is it wrong to allow HabeHolt music group an opportunity to share their music by the Perrys, Gold City, Brian Free and Assurance, Mark Trammell Trio, The Greenes and others recording their material and the “message” that the songs bring, being spread to those that in turn buy these pieces of material? Do you believe that the artists listed above know less than you as to what their fans like to hear and make them the stars of this genre as they are. This is a small pond in the large ocean of music that surrounds us. Why then would we intentionally strike down any performer that has followed God’s call on their life and that is to tour and spread the gospel in song. And might I add, the best gospel music in the Christian music industry. Doug I am therefore asking you to search your heart and see if this blog is really what God would have you be doing, or is it in fact a blog that pleases satan because it causes dissention and strikes discord among the brethern. No matter how good Joseph Habeddank is, you appear to have something against him. I have read your blogs and on some issues may agree. Such as being a professional both on and off stage. I know Joseph both on and off. He’s a 21 year old boy that is doing his best to follow God’s call on his life. Should we put him under a microscope and judge him? One might say that he put himself under the judgement microscope by opening himself up to the common folk and being a Christian artist. But Doug if you placed yourself and ALL that You have done in your life, would you make “the grade”? Let’s try to encourage and grow our youth that choose to pursue a career of Christian music, and if you really have something to say to a particular artist, step from behind your computer and contact that person and share with them face to face like a man, and as the bible tells us to confront our Christian brothers. I can be reached by phone at XXX-XXX-XXXX or should you wish to meet me face to face, I will make myself available to you at your discretion to discuss the issue of your unwarranted attacks on artists. I simply want you to realize the damage that you do, the hurt you bring in the things you print or don’t print regarding artists, and how displeasing this must be to God for you to hinder the work of spreading the gospel, and pleasing to satan that we as Christians pick and bicker with one another, causing our testimony to be tainted. Call me Doug and let’s meet sometime to clarify any areas that may seem ambiguous or gray to you. God bless you my friend and I hope that you will take my statement to heart and challenge yourself to rise above the hurt and anguish your blog represents.

]]> By: RobertM http://averyfineline.com/2007/05/11/the-perrys-contd/#comment-19686 RobertM Tue, 15 May 2007 03:02:21 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/05/11/the-perrys-contd/#comment-19686 My nomination for The Perrys lead vocalist: Joseph Habedank. Please try to remember that this is about ministry -- first and foremost. I believe it's evident that Libbi Perry Stuffle, as the group's owner, in prayerful collaboration with her husband, Tracy Stuffle, made a personnel decision that reflects God's direction for their ministry. Ministry. Second-guessing their abiliby to discern the Lord's direction seems to be unfruitful at best. My nomination for The Perrys lead vocalist: Joseph Habedank.

Please try to remember that this is about ministry — first and foremost. I believe it’s evident that Libbi Perry Stuffle, as the group’s owner, in prayerful collaboration with her husband, Tracy Stuffle, made a personnel decision that reflects God’s direction for their ministry. Ministry.

Second-guessing their abiliby to discern the Lord’s direction seems to be unfruitful at best.

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