Comments on: Self-appointed props http://averyfineline.com/2007/07/25/self-appointed-props/ Criticism and commentary on southern gospel music and culture Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:43:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3 By: jeff crews http://averyfineline.com/2007/07/25/self-appointed-props/#comment-79032 jeff crews Mon, 06 Aug 2007 21:00:28 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/07/25/self-appointed-props/#comment-79032 As a member of Paid In Full for almost 16 years, I can say Bobby and Hilda Joe have seen us sing many more times than they have seen Ernie and Co. The Woods are great people who do not monopolize group members' time at the record table, bother them needlessly, or infringe on their personal space. They just like singing, singers, and traveling. They are not needy, but are well respected members of their home church, their community, and their close knit family. They do bring home-made goodies, which were always quite tasty. Paid In Full may be different from other groups, but we never called people like the Woods groupies. We called them our road family. Singing to a small crowd when you'd hoped for a big one, having an off vocal night, or having the best concert of your life, it was always nice to look out and see familiar faces. I always considered "road family" to be one of the great benefits of traveling. As a member of Paid In Full for almost 16 years, I can say Bobby and Hilda Joe have seen us sing many more times than they have seen Ernie and Co. The Woods are great people who do not monopolize group members’ time at the record table, bother them needlessly, or infringe on their personal space. They just like singing, singers, and traveling. They are not needy, but are well respected members of their home church, their community, and their close knit family. They do bring home-made goodies, which were always quite tasty. Paid In Full may be different from other groups, but we never called people like the Woods groupies. We called them our road family. Singing to a small crowd when you’d hoped for a big one, having an off vocal night, or having the best concert of your life, it was always nice to look out and see familiar faces. I always considered “road family” to be one of the great benefits of traveling.

]]> By: jb http://averyfineline.com/2007/07/25/self-appointed-props/#comment-72620 jb Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:31:53 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/07/25/self-appointed-props/#comment-72620 Brett: Where would the groups be, without "groupies". That really is an unkind statement. Brett: Where would the groups be, without “groupies”. That really is an unkind statement.

]]> By: Brett http://averyfineline.com/2007/07/25/self-appointed-props/#comment-72215 Brett Mon, 30 Jul 2007 04:13:20 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/07/25/self-appointed-props/#comment-72215 They could use the time to visit people at nursing homes instead of being groupies. They could use the time to visit people at nursing homes instead of being groupies.

]]> By: Tony Maranelli http://averyfineline.com/2007/07/25/self-appointed-props/#comment-69080 Tony Maranelli Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:44:34 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/07/25/self-appointed-props/#comment-69080 I don't know if this is true of these people or not, but I have a friend who travels in a group. He told me that there are some fans that follow them around and he is thankful for that, but sometimes they hang around the table all night. The group would like to get to know other people in that particular town, but these people take up all their time. They also stand their while people are passing through and "heckle" the group. Heckling is aggitating even if it's, "Hey, how's your wife!!!" when you're shaking a girl's hand.... My buddy said that it is just annoying, but you can't say anything to these people because they are sensitive. They also take liberties to run the table whenever they feel like it, etc... Anyways, when I read this article, it reminded me of these people. Yeah, thank God for fans in SG, but if they are really coming out to enjoy the music, then do JUST that. I don’t know if this is true of these people or not, but I have a friend who travels in a group. He told me that there are some fans that follow them around and he is thankful for that, but sometimes they hang around the table all night. The group would like to get to know other people in that particular town, but these people take up all their time. They also stand their while people are passing through and “heckle” the group. Heckling is aggitating even if it’s, “Hey, how’s your wife!!!” when you’re shaking a girl’s hand…. My buddy said that it is just annoying, but you can’t say anything to these people because they are sensitive. They also take liberties to run the table whenever they feel like it, etc… Anyways, when I read this article, it reminded me of these people. Yeah, thank God for fans in SG, but if they are really coming out to enjoy the music, then do JUST that.

]]> By: Rhonda Berry http://averyfineline.com/2007/07/25/self-appointed-props/#comment-69077 Rhonda Berry Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:36:40 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/07/25/self-appointed-props/#comment-69077 Put the clappers in the middle. Leave the farthest two rows on each for the non-participants. See which one fills up the fastest Put the clappers in the middle. Leave the farthest two rows on each for the non-participants. See which one fills up the fastest

]]> By: Leebob http://averyfineline.com/2007/07/25/self-appointed-props/#comment-69024 Leebob Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:47:05 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/07/25/self-appointed-props/#comment-69024 Is this all we have to discuss? After discussing the problems with SG it seems we are lucky to have any fans at all. Some evenings I wish we had a Bob & Hilda to liven things up. We do have a few fans who will always show up when we are in their area. Every once in awhile we may have one that may be a little "over the top" (what this is I am unsure of) but for the most part they are just there to enjoy the music. One thing for sure, it is always nice to see a friendly face and knowing that we continue to be a blessing to someone. A group of about 8 of us went to hear and participate by listening to a concert in Terrell, TX one evening. We began to clap along and the elderly gentleman in front of us was quite annoyed with the fact that we were enjoying ourselves. Being nearly a full house we didn't have the option of moving away. His idea of enjoying was sitting there and watching, ours was a little different. Nontheless, he enjoys his music as much as we do. The question is how do we allow for differences within a crowd for enjoyment? The clappers will alwys annoy the non-clappers and the non-clappers will always annoy the clappers with their looks of disgust. Perhaps the ushers should ask the audience upon entry, "would you like clapping or non-clapping?" and point them to the appropriate area of the auditorium. Is this all we have to discuss? After discussing the problems with SG it seems we are lucky to have any fans at all. Some evenings I wish we had a Bob & Hilda to liven things up.

We do have a few fans who will always show up when we are in their area. Every once in awhile we may have one that may be a little “over the top” (what this is I am unsure of) but for the most part they are just there to enjoy the music. One thing for sure, it is always nice to see a friendly face and knowing that we continue to be a blessing to someone.

A group of about 8 of us went to hear and participate by listening to a concert in Terrell, TX one evening. We began to clap along and the elderly gentleman in front of us was quite annoyed with the fact that we were enjoying ourselves. Being nearly a full house we didn’t have the option of moving away. His idea of enjoying was sitting there and watching, ours was a little different. Nontheless, he enjoys his music as much as we do.

The question is how do we allow for differences within a crowd for enjoyment? The clappers will alwys annoy the non-clappers and the non-clappers will always annoy the clappers with their looks of disgust. Perhaps the ushers should ask the audience upon entry, “would you like clapping or non-clapping?” and point them to the appropriate area of the auditorium.

]]> By: RR http://averyfineline.com/2007/07/25/self-appointed-props/#comment-69010 RR Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:19:28 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/07/25/self-appointed-props/#comment-69010 And I stand duly corrected. It was not good to say what I did. And moderator, if you would remove comment 2 and this one also, it would make me very happy. And I stand duly corrected. It was not good to say what I did. And moderator, if you would remove comment 2 and this one also, it would make me very happy.

]]> By: Heather http://averyfineline.com/2007/07/25/self-appointed-props/#comment-68897 Heather Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:20:19 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/07/25/self-appointed-props/#comment-68897 The writer of the article was exaggerating (BIG TIME) by saying the Woods "have not missed a concert since" 2003. They do love EHSS very much but they are just Godly people who chose to spend their retirement traveling to concerts. If I make it to 70, I hope and pray Im healthy and fortunate enough to spend time doing something I enjoy! Trust me, they are not "pushy or needy" nor do they need to "get a life". They seem to be really enjoying their last years of the life they have! The writer of the article was exaggerating (BIG TIME) by saying the Woods “have not missed a concert since” 2003. They do love EHSS very much but they are just Godly people who chose to spend their retirement traveling to concerts. If I make it to 70, I hope and pray Im healthy and fortunate enough to spend time doing something I enjoy! Trust me, they are not “pushy or needy” nor do they need to “get a life”. They seem to be really enjoying their last years of the life they have!

]]> By: David Bruce Murray http://averyfineline.com/2007/07/25/self-appointed-props/#comment-68648 David Bruce Murray Thu, 26 Jul 2007 02:08:05 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/07/25/self-appointed-props/#comment-68648 "have not missed a concert since" sounds like the writer of the article was taking considerable creative license, and of course, as Tony pointed out, the writer reveals he was stretching the truth when he gives the number of 50 concerts attended in total since 2003. EH&SS may not work quite as often as most SG groups, but they certainly do more than 12-13 concerts per year. When I'm on stage as an artist, I get a kick out of "front row fans." (Yes, the Carolina Quartet actually has a few at some of our events when we're in certain parts of the country.) As a fan, I don't mind as long as they don't start trying to monopolize the event. Yelling "get it right" on cue at one point in the program isn't a big deal at all. That sort of thing can be good for a laugh. On the other hand, if they detract from the performance overall for an extended period of time, then I might be inclined to ask them to shut up. Not knowing any more than we know about these particular folks, it really wouldn't be right to assume which way they lean. “have not missed a concert since” sounds like the writer of the article was taking considerable creative license, and of course, as Tony pointed out, the writer reveals he was stretching the truth when he gives the number of 50 concerts attended in total since 2003.

EH&SS may not work quite as often as most SG groups, but they certainly do more than 12-13 concerts per year.

When I’m on stage as an artist, I get a kick out of “front row fans.” (Yes, the Carolina Quartet actually has a few at some of our events when we’re in certain parts of the country.)

As a fan, I don’t mind as long as they don’t start trying to monopolize the event. Yelling “get it right” on cue at one point in the program isn’t a big deal at all. That sort of thing can be good for a laugh. On the other hand, if they detract from the performance overall for an extended period of time, then I might be inclined to ask them to shut up.

Not knowing any more than we know about these particular folks, it really wouldn’t be right to assume which way they lean.

]]> By: bgl http://averyfineline.com/2007/07/25/self-appointed-props/#comment-68479 bgl Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:16:34 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/07/25/self-appointed-props/#comment-68479 Amen, jb. Amen, jb.

]]> By: jb http://averyfineline.com/2007/07/25/self-appointed-props/#comment-68462 jb Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:44:45 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/07/25/self-appointed-props/#comment-68462 I think you are all being very critical and harsh about 2 people you know nothing about. Bob and Hilda are just 2 people who enjoy singings. Maybe they don't need to "get a life". Sounds like they enjoy the one they have. Very, very unfair comments. I think you are all being very critical and harsh about 2 people you know nothing about. Bob and Hilda are just 2 people who enjoy singings. Maybe they don’t need to “get a life”. Sounds like they enjoy the one they have. Very, very unfair comments.

]]> By: CG http://averyfineline.com/2007/07/25/self-appointed-props/#comment-68362 CG Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:55:43 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/07/25/self-appointed-props/#comment-68362 Actually, SG does not have "groupies"; they are called "sniffers" (as in diesel sniffer). Actually, SG does not have “groupies”; they are called “sniffers” (as in diesel sniffer).

]]> By: Jugglernaut http://averyfineline.com/2007/07/25/self-appointed-props/#comment-68281 Jugglernaut Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:24:45 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/07/25/self-appointed-props/#comment-68281 Heh. Amateurs. While not a superfan myself, I know some women who have seen their favorite (non-sg) group in excess of 125 times (not in a row). Unless Bob & Hilda are faithfully supplying the Siggies with homemade goodies and naked pictures of themselves, they hardly qualify as groupies. Question: Do gospel groupies go overboard in the same ways rock groupies do? Or does their devotion take the form of "clever" heckling and excessive prayer? Heh. Amateurs. While not a superfan myself, I know some women who have seen their favorite (non-sg) group in excess of 125 times (not in a row). Unless Bob & Hilda are faithfully supplying the Siggies with homemade goodies and naked pictures of themselves, they hardly qualify as groupies.

Question: Do gospel groupies go overboard in the same ways rock groupies do? Or does their devotion take the form of “clever” heckling and excessive prayer?

]]> By: FormerDJ http://averyfineline.com/2007/07/25/self-appointed-props/#comment-68269 FormerDJ Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:51:40 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/07/25/self-appointed-props/#comment-68269 Creepy stuff there. Hey artists, how would you deal with an obsessive fan? Creepy stuff there. Hey artists, how would you deal with an obsessive fan?

]]> By: Tony Maranelli http://averyfineline.com/2007/07/25/self-appointed-props/#comment-68226 Tony Maranelli Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:10:08 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/07/25/self-appointed-props/#comment-68226 They sound annoying....and they haven't missed a concert since 2003 and they have been to 50....? I'm sure SS has done more than 50 since 2003. Maybe they mean 50 concerts per state?? Who knows, they still seem pushy and needy... They sound annoying….and they haven’t missed a concert since 2003 and they have been to 50….? I’m sure SS has done more than 50 since 2003. Maybe they mean 50 concerts per state?? Who knows, they still seem pushy and needy…

]]> By: RR http://averyfineline.com/2007/07/25/self-appointed-props/#comment-68176 RR Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:50:38 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/07/25/self-appointed-props/#comment-68176 Bobby and Hilda need to get a life! Bobby and Hilda need to get a life!

]]> By: DM http://averyfineline.com/2007/07/25/self-appointed-props/#comment-67890 DM Wed, 25 Jul 2007 03:26:35 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/07/25/self-appointed-props/#comment-67890 The Primitive have some "fans" who follow them in Tennessee. They sit on the front row and crowd around the record table. They get there early, save their seats with their stuff. They make me sick, I will not go see the Primitive any more. The Primitive have some “fans” who follow them in Tennessee. They sit on the front row and crowd around the record table. They get there early, save their seats with their stuff. They make me sick, I will not go see the Primitive any more.

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