Comments on: Vicki Goodman on her parents’ legacy http://averyfineline.com/2007/08/31/note/ Criticism and commentary on southern gospel music Wed, 23 May 2012 09:36:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3 By: Edie http://averyfineline.com/2007/08/31/note/#comment-111768 Edie Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:26:22 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/08/31/note/#comment-111768 Seems funny to me how this topic just brings out the rage in some people. God forbid that our shiny little world of southern gospel have any tarnish on it or on any of our heroes' families. We forget that whenever one of our favorite singers comes to town and we watch them shine up on stage, there's a little girl or boy at home wishing their Mommy or Daddy were there to tuck them in. Howard and Vestal were great onstage -- no one argues that, but they had family issues, like all of us. No one in the industry seems to talk about how that Howard, Sam, Rusty and Vestal couldn't be in the same room for more than 10 minutes without arguing over something. EVERYONE in the industry witnessed that. It was quite legendary. Does that mean they didn't love each other? NO. Does that mean they weren't people of God? NO. It means they were HUMAN. As for Vicki, I say it could not have been easy growing up in the Goodmans household, or any famous household. We will never know what she unwillingly sacrificed in the way of quality time with her parents so that we could all enjoy what the Goodmans gave us. Yet she responded here with class and dignity and grace. God Bless You, Girl! So Ricky Goodman wants to buy hankies at BigLots and pretend his Mama blew her nose in 'em?? Let him, I say! Let the market decide his fate. I know I'm certainly not going to be sending any of my husband's hard-earned money his way. I'm saving it up for a signed copy of THE original lyric to If That Isn't Love, written on a truckstop napkin...several of my friends have one and I want one of my own!!! Seems funny to me how this topic just brings out the rage in some people. God forbid that our shiny little world of southern gospel have any tarnish on it or on any of our heroes’ families. We forget that whenever one of our favorite singers comes to town and we watch them shine up on stage, there’s a little girl or boy at home wishing their Mommy or Daddy were there to tuck them in.

Howard and Vestal were great onstage — no one argues that, but they had family issues, like all of us.

No one in the industry seems to talk about how that Howard, Sam, Rusty and Vestal couldn’t be in the same room for more than 10 minutes without arguing over something. EVERYONE in the industry witnessed that. It was quite legendary. Does that mean they didn’t love each other? NO. Does that mean they weren’t people of God? NO. It means they were HUMAN.

As for Vicki, I say it could not have been easy growing up in the Goodmans household, or any famous household. We will never know what she unwillingly sacrificed in the way of quality time with her parents so that we could all enjoy what the Goodmans gave us. Yet she responded here with class and dignity and grace. God Bless You, Girl!

So Ricky Goodman wants to buy hankies at BigLots and pretend his Mama blew her nose in ‘em?? Let him, I say! Let the market decide his fate. I know I’m certainly not going to be sending any of my husband’s hard-earned money his way. I’m saving it up for a signed copy of THE original lyric to If That Isn’t Love, written on a truckstop napkin…several of my friends have one and I want one of my own!!!

]]> By: CG http://averyfineline.com/2007/08/31/note/#comment-111755 CG Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:37:46 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/08/31/note/#comment-111755 umm...I think your "Caps Lock" is on. umm…I think your “Caps Lock” is on.

]]> By: SHAMED http://averyfineline.com/2007/08/31/note/#comment-111744 SHAMED Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:13:42 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/08/31/note/#comment-111744 AFTER SITTING AND READING ALL THIS...ALL OF THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS THE WAY ALL OF US THINK WE HAVE SOME RIGHT TO STEP INTO THIS...WE ALL SHOULD LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND ASK OURSELVES...IS THIS WHAT GOD WANTS ME TO BE DOING? AFTER SITTING AND READING ALL THIS…ALL OF THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS THE WAY ALL OF US THINK WE HAVE SOME RIGHT TO STEP INTO THIS…WE ALL SHOULD LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND ASK OURSELVES…IS THIS WHAT GOD WANTS ME TO BE DOING?

]]> By: SHAMED http://averyfineline.com/2007/08/31/note/#comment-111741 SHAMED Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:10:26 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/08/31/note/#comment-111741 I WONDER IF YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOUR PARENTS CAN SEE WHAT IS GOING ON...IF THERE ARE ANY UNDERHANDED THINGS HAPPENING THEN ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE THEM, RIGHT? AREN'T WE ALL CHRISTIANS? DON'T WE ALL FOLLOW THE SAME GOD...ARE WE NOT ALL STRIVING FOR THE SAME THING? YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN WHAT YOU ARE ACCUSING THEM OF...YOU HAVE STOOPED TO AN ALL NEW LEVEL...FAMILY IS FAMILY, BLOOD IS BLOOD...YOU DON'T PUBLICLY PUT YOUR OWN BROTHER OUT THERE ON THE LINE WITH NO REMORSE ABOUT IT. WHERE WERE YOU WHEN YOUR PARENTS NEEDED SOMEONE TO TAKE CARE OF THEM? WERE YOU THERE? WHILE YOU CRITISIZE OTHERS, YOU SHOULD TAKE A LOOK BACK AT YOURSELF AND REMEMBER YOU SAY YOU'RE A CHRISTIAN...ARE YOU DOING THE GODLY THING? DON'T SHAME YOUR PARENTS BY ACTING LIKE A SPOILED CHILD. I WONDER IF YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOUR PARENTS CAN SEE WHAT IS GOING ON…IF THERE ARE ANY UNDERHANDED THINGS HAPPENING THEN ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE THEM, RIGHT? AREN’T WE ALL CHRISTIANS? DON’T WE ALL FOLLOW THE SAME GOD…ARE WE NOT ALL STRIVING FOR THE SAME THING? YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN WHAT YOU ARE ACCUSING THEM OF…YOU HAVE STOOPED TO AN ALL NEW LEVEL…FAMILY IS FAMILY, BLOOD IS BLOOD…YOU DON’T PUBLICLY PUT YOUR OWN BROTHER OUT THERE ON THE LINE WITH NO REMORSE ABOUT IT. WHERE WERE YOU WHEN YOUR PARENTS NEEDED SOMEONE TO TAKE CARE OF THEM? WERE YOU THERE? WHILE YOU CRITISIZE OTHERS, YOU SHOULD TAKE A LOOK BACK AT YOURSELF AND REMEMBER YOU SAY YOU’RE A CHRISTIAN…ARE YOU DOING THE GODLY THING? DON’T SHAME YOUR PARENTS BY ACTING LIKE A SPOILED CHILD.

]]> By: GospelSingerwannabe http://averyfineline.com/2007/08/31/note/#comment-111737 GospelSingerwannabe Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:01:39 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/08/31/note/#comment-111737 Mark 12:31 Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandments greater than these. It would do us all good to read James 3:5-13. But for those that can't find the time to open their bible to read such knowledge let me post it James 3:5-13 The tongue is a little member and boast great things. Behold how great a matter a little fire kindles The tongue is a fire, a world of inquity (sin). So is thtongue amoung our members that its defiles the whole body and sets on fire the course of nature and is set on fire of hell. For every kind of beast, bird, serpents and things in the sea are tamed and has been tamed by man, but the tongue can no man tame: it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. With the tongue we bless God, even our Father, and we curse men which are made after the similitude of God. Out of the same mouth proceed blessings and cursings. These things out not to be... Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge amoung you? Let him show out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. Food for thought! Mark 12:31 Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandments greater than these.

It would do us all good to read James 3:5-13.

But for those that can’t find the time to open their bible to read such knowledge let me post it

James 3:5-13
The tongue is a little member and boast great things. Behold how great a matter a little fire kindles The tongue is a fire, a world of inquity (sin). So is thtongue amoung our members that its defiles the whole body and sets on fire the course of nature and is set on fire of hell.

For every kind of beast, bird, serpents and things in the sea are tamed and has been tamed by man, but the tongue can no man tame: it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.

With the tongue we bless God, even our Father, and we curse men which are made after the similitude of God. Out of the same mouth proceed blessings and cursings. These things out not to be…

Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge amoung you? Let him show out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.

Food for thought!

]]> By: jb http://averyfineline.com/2007/08/31/note/#comment-111707 jb Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:55:49 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/08/31/note/#comment-111707 Thank you #74. That is exactly right. We can't all be lumped into one category. Have we not beat this horse to death. Get something else going on here. There is surely some good out there in SGM. Better yet, we had a soul saved in our church 2 weeks ago. Praise the Lord. That is what it is all about. Thank you #74. That is exactly right. We can’t all be lumped into one category. Have we not beat this horse to death. Get something else going on here. There is surely some good out there in SGM. Better yet, we had a soul saved in our church 2 weeks ago. Praise the Lord. That is what it is all about.

]]> By: Howland Sharpe http://averyfineline.com/2007/08/31/note/#comment-111339 Howland Sharpe Fri, 07 Sep 2007 02:23:10 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/08/31/note/#comment-111339 Even Gaither couldn't keep down the dog-eat-dog demons in SG. Good golly, it's back to the '70's. You gotta love this! Man, I miss the Thrasher Brothers.... Even Gaither couldn’t keep down the dog-eat-dog demons in SG. Good golly, it’s back to the ’70’s. You gotta love this!

Man, I miss the Thrasher Brothers….

]]> By: Bari-Tone-Def http://averyfineline.com/2007/08/31/note/#comment-111034 Bari-Tone-Def Thu, 06 Sep 2007 19:59:13 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/08/31/note/#comment-111034 Its a shame that some folks have just tossed everyone that is involved in SGM into a barrel and labeled them as self-indulging hypocrites that are merely in the business for money and personal gain. This isnt the case. What you read here is simply a glimpse into just a portion of SGM. There are those of us out there that believe in SGM and believe that Christ uses SGM to change lives. I am an example of that. This "Blog" does not represent everyone in SGM nor does it prove anything beyond what each individual believes. Its a shame that some folks have just tossed everyone that is involved in SGM into a barrel and labeled them as self-indulging hypocrites that are merely in the business for money and personal gain. This isnt the case. What you read here is simply a glimpse into just a portion of SGM. There are those of us out there that believe in SGM and believe that Christ uses SGM to change lives. I am an example of that. This “Blog” does not represent everyone in SGM nor does it prove anything beyond what each individual believes.

]]> By: Stephen http://averyfineline.com/2007/08/31/note/#comment-111003 Stephen Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:24:48 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/08/31/note/#comment-111003 #68- sadly, most people think the same thing you do. I'd be embarrassed if someone from the outside were to look in. When I start talking about our issues in our industry to my friends involved in other genres of music, they say "and these are Christians who act this way?"...this industry needs to grow up and get past their inmature, self-righteous nonsense. Get back to saving lives, spreading the Word, and glorifying HIS name. #68- sadly, most people think the same thing you do. I’d be embarrassed if someone from the outside were to look in. When I start talking about our issues in our industry to my friends involved in other genres of music, they say “and these are Christians who act this way?”…this industry needs to grow up and get past their inmature, self-righteous nonsense. Get back to saving lives, spreading the Word, and glorifying HIS name.

]]> By: tinman http://averyfineline.com/2007/08/31/note/#comment-110982 tinman Thu, 06 Sep 2007 17:37:19 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/08/31/note/#comment-110982 Elephants and Goodmans.. who would have thought? Elephants and Goodmans.. who would have thought?

]]> By: JM http://averyfineline.com/2007/08/31/note/#comment-110979 JM Thu, 06 Sep 2007 17:35:18 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/08/31/note/#comment-110979 How about if the WWE sponsored an event at the NQC, during which all the posters on this issue could join into a giant sized, Texas death match? This has become really bizzare performance art! If all of those who claim to be offended by the discussion and those who want this thread to dissolve would just let it go, it would cease. However, the need to be the last one to say something really unkind dictates the ongoing interchange. I sure hope Jerry Springer is monitoring! How about if the WWE sponsored an event at the NQC, during which all the posters on this issue could join into a giant sized, Texas death match? This has become really bizzare performance art! If all of those who claim to be offended by the discussion and those who want this thread to dissolve would just let it go, it would cease. However, the need to be the last one to say something really unkind dictates the ongoing interchange. I sure hope Jerry Springer is monitoring!

]]> By: Derek http://averyfineline.com/2007/08/31/note/#comment-110813 Derek Thu, 06 Sep 2007 13:11:51 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/08/31/note/#comment-110813 #64 You said it! I don't doubt that Howard & Vestal would have wanted the "ministry" to continue. I can even see Vestal telling Rick to sell some of her stage clothes if he wanted to so her fans could own something that actually belonged to her. I don't have a problem selling an autographed item genuinely signed by Howard or Vestal or anyone else for that matter. I just have a problem with the "money for prayer" issue...just like the televangelists. Even encouraging fans to sow seeds into the continued ministry isn't a problem in my book...but don't promise prayer for money...especially when it involves someone who cannot control what happens with their name. As for feeling the love from Vestal, it is absolutely true. I had the honor of being backstage at one of the later concerts and I saw Vestal "behind the scenes" so to speak. She was smiling, calling everybody "Darlin'", and when she walked past where I was standing, I stepped out to hug her. I felt like she had known me all my life and felt genuine love from her. That's the memory that I have, and that's the way I will always remember her. Nothing that has been said on this thread changes that. I don't think it has changed anyone...but as the word of God plainly says, there is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed. We are known by our fruits. Howard and Vestal are rememberd by their fruits, and Rick will be remembered for his...as will we all! #64 You said it! I don’t doubt that Howard & Vestal would have wanted the “ministry” to continue. I can even see Vestal telling Rick to sell some of her stage clothes if he wanted to so her fans could own something that actually belonged to her. I don’t have a problem selling an autographed item genuinely signed by Howard or Vestal or anyone else for that matter. I just have a problem with the “money for prayer” issue…just like the televangelists. Even encouraging fans to sow seeds into the continued ministry isn’t a problem in my book…but don’t promise prayer for money…especially when it involves someone who cannot control what happens with their name.

As for feeling the love from Vestal, it is absolutely true. I had the honor of being backstage at one of the later concerts and I saw Vestal “behind the scenes” so to speak. She was smiling, calling everybody “Darlin’”, and when she walked past where I was standing, I stepped out to hug her. I felt like she had known me all my life and felt genuine love from her. That’s the memory that I have, and that’s the way I will always remember her. Nothing that has been said on this thread changes that. I don’t think it has changed anyone…but as the word of God plainly says, there is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed. We are known by our fruits. Howard and Vestal are rememberd by their fruits, and Rick will be remembered for his…as will we all!

]]> By: tagoodwoman http://averyfineline.com/2007/08/31/note/#comment-110511 tagoodwoman Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:38:59 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/08/31/note/#comment-110511 OH boy in response to post 62-- I know I said I wasn't going to do this--but PLEASE make NO assumptions about my identity! If you have been keeping up with this thread, surely you can understand there is a very good reason I HAVE been and always WILL be a totally unknown and anonymous Goodman. There's enough assuming going on here already. And yes, we do come across these sites and they make ME (the anonymous Goodman) grateful each day that God saw fit to blessed us Goodmans with a fabulous sense of humor. This reminds me of a story...anybody here ever heard the one about "The Blind Men and the Elephant"? One blind man said an elephant looks like a wall, another said a rope, still another said a tree and another said an arrow; all depending on the part of the elephant they happen to encounter--the story ends like this..... So, oft in theologic wars The disputants, I ween, Rail on in utter ignorance Of what each other mean; And prate about an Elephant Not one of them has seen! OH boy in response to post 62– I know I said I wasn’t going to do this–but PLEASE make NO assumptions about my identity! If you have been keeping up with this thread, surely you can understand there is a very good reason I HAVE been and always WILL be a totally unknown and anonymous Goodman. There’s enough assuming going on here already. And yes, we do come across these sites and they make ME (the anonymous Goodman) grateful each day that God saw fit to blessed us Goodmans with a fabulous sense of humor. This reminds me of a story…anybody here ever heard the one about “The Blind Men and the Elephant”? One blind man said an elephant looks like a wall, another said a rope, still another said a tree and another said an arrow; all depending on the part of the elephant they happen to encounter–the story ends like this…..
So, oft in theologic wars
The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean;
And prate about an Elephant
Not one of them has seen!

]]> By: Butch http://averyfineline.com/2007/08/31/note/#comment-110256 Butch Thu, 06 Sep 2007 02:31:44 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/08/31/note/#comment-110256 Southern Gospel Music is a real joke!! Star, Enquirer, SG,-all the same Southern Gospel Music is a real joke!! Star, Enquirer, SG,-all the same

]]> By: INSIDER http://averyfineline.com/2007/08/31/note/#comment-110252 INSIDER Thu, 06 Sep 2007 02:25:54 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/08/31/note/#comment-110252 I am a true insider. I am a family member who has seen all of the ugliness jeolousy can bring. To have a son and daughter in law as loving and giving as Rick and Di was a true blessing to Vestal and Howard. The actions, as Vickie calls them, were exactly what Vestal and Howard wanted. That was to keep the ministry going, to show people the love of God. Im am sorry for Vickie, she wasted the last few years she could have had with them because of jeolousy and hatred for Rick and Di. The door was always open for her as far as they were concerned. I think out of respect for Vestal and Howard this website should be deleted. Vickie I think you have hurt enough people, its time to stop. If you ever had any love for Vestal and Howard you need to leave Rick and Di alone. I am a true insider. I am a family member who has seen all of the ugliness jeolousy can bring. To have a son and daughter in law as loving and giving as Rick and Di was a true blessing to Vestal and Howard. The actions, as Vickie calls them, were exactly what Vestal and Howard wanted. That was to keep the ministry going, to show people the love of God. Im am sorry for Vickie, she wasted the last few years she could have had with them because of jeolousy and hatred for Rick and Di. The door was always open for her as far as they were concerned. I think out of respect for Vestal and Howard this website should be deleted. Vickie I think you have hurt enough people, its time to stop. If you ever had any love for Vestal and Howard you need to leave Rick and Di alone.

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