Comments on: Quote of the day http://averyfineline.com/2007/09/25/quote-of-the-day-7/ Criticism and commentary on southern gospel music Wed, 23 May 2012 09:54:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3 By: RF http://averyfineline.com/2007/09/25/quote-of-the-day-7/#comment-155910 RF Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:50:27 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/09/25/quote-of-the-day-7/#comment-155910 Maybe it's because he has nothing to say? But he just needs to come back and say he's alive or something. Maybe it’s because he has nothing to say?

But he just needs to come back and say he’s alive or something.

]]> By: JW http://averyfineline.com/2007/09/25/quote-of-the-day-7/#comment-155801 JW Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:25:02 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/09/25/quote-of-the-day-7/#comment-155801 Bravo and amen!!!!!, #100 ST. The only thing I'd add is I think anyone in position of power and influence who commits sexual sin (adultery, homosexuality, etc.) and/or criminal/unethical behavior (theft, etc.) forever forfeits a leadership position, and I include professional singers in this. God does indeed forgive, but I agree there is no requirement to put anyone back in a position of power. I base this on Paul's qualification of other leaders, such as "being above reproach." Odd how some browbeat us that "Thou must forgive" when it's a celeb/politician/singer, etc., but would the same persons allow a child molestor who has been forgiven to babysit their kids? Bravo and amen!!!!!, #100 ST.

The only thing I’d add is I think anyone in position of power and influence who commits sexual sin (adultery, homosexuality, etc.) and/or criminal/unethical behavior (theft, etc.) forever forfeits a leadership position, and I include professional singers in this.

God does indeed forgive, but I agree there is no requirement to put anyone back in a position of power. I base this on Paul’s qualification of other leaders, such as “being above reproach.”

Odd how some browbeat us that “Thou must forgive” when it’s a celeb/politician/singer, etc., but would the same persons allow a child molestor who has been forgiven to babysit their kids?

]]> By: CG http://averyfineline.com/2007/09/25/quote-of-the-day-7/#comment-155781 CG Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:30:14 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/09/25/quote-of-the-day-7/#comment-155781 Lest we not forget, there is a vast difference between forgiveness and trust. Lest we not forget, there is a vast difference between forgiveness and trust.

]]> By: Angie M http://averyfineline.com/2007/09/25/quote-of-the-day-7/#comment-155747 Angie M Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:13:48 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/09/25/quote-of-the-day-7/#comment-155747 PF-#98: Three Bridges are supposed to release a brand-new project--hopefully within 60 days or so (according to Gospel Greats). Hopefully they won't pull an Anchormen and re-record the old CD, and offer copies of the older version as GG giveaways. :) But seriously, I guess that did put the new Anchormen in an awkward position. PF-#98: Three Bridges are supposed to release a brand-new project–hopefully within 60 days or so (according to Gospel Greats). Hopefully they won’t pull an Anchormen and re-record the old CD, and offer copies of the older version as GG giveaways. :) But seriously, I guess that did put the new Anchormen in an awkward position.

]]> By: Derek http://averyfineline.com/2007/09/25/quote-of-the-day-7/#comment-155705 Derek Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:08:43 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/09/25/quote-of-the-day-7/#comment-155705 #84: Flatt Rascals is right! They sound great on the radio ("studio magic")...but watch them on award shows and live events where the "magic" isn't there... andn it's a whole 'nother ballgame! Kinda reminds me of the old joke about the difference between two SG quartets...one of 'em can sing! There are a few secular artists that can really sing (Martina McBride is at the top of that list) but many succeed on charisma, entertainment/performance, and looks...NOT vocal talent! #84: Flatt Rascals is right! They sound great on the radio (”studio magic”)…but watch them on award shows and live events where the “magic” isn’t there… andn it’s a whole ‘nother ballgame! Kinda reminds me of the old joke about the difference between two SG quartets…one of ‘em can sing! There are a few secular artists that can really sing (Martina McBride is at the top of that list) but many succeed on charisma, entertainment/performance, and looks…NOT vocal talent!

]]> By: Tele D. Trooth http://averyfineline.com/2007/09/25/quote-of-the-day-7/#comment-155688 Tele D. Trooth Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:28:56 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/09/25/quote-of-the-day-7/#comment-155688 Wow...Doug! Interns! We need a new topic up in here.......................lol Wow…Doug! Interns! We need a new topic up in here…………………..lol

]]> By: ST http://averyfineline.com/2007/09/25/quote-of-the-day-7/#comment-155313 ST Tue, 16 Oct 2007 04:41:07 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/09/25/quote-of-the-day-7/#comment-155313 In I Corinthians 5, Paul addresses a situation where a certain man committed fornication with his step mother. Paul basically says he was leaven that leaventh the whole lump. He also said in verse 5 to deliver such a person to Satan; in other words, set him out of the church while he continues to live in sin until he gets a belly full of the world. In verse 11, he says not to have anything to do with such a person. We are to put away such a wicked person. Before the church forgives and accepts someone who has lived in sin, we must first see true, geniune, humble, repentance. I do believe it is commanded for us to forgive once someone has truely repented - the bible says we are suppose to and we would be wrong if we did not do so. However, the bible never says we are obligated to put such a person up to sing, teach, preach, or to hold an office in the church. Concerning KT - My concern is not so much what he has done in the past. We all know the admitted sin. We also know the admitted repentance. My concern and reservation is that KT wrote gospel songs, got on stage and sung about Jesus, and still held his head high while hiding in the sinful corners of homosexuality for a number of years. Yes God forgives. Yes God delivers. However, how can one go back on the road, travel alone, unmarried, and there's no one there physically there to be accountable to? This would lead to accessable opportunity to fall right back into the same lifestyle as before. If a drunk is delivered from drinking, he must stay away from any business that would tempt him to get another drink. True repentance will cause a person to avoid the very appearance of evil. I truely hope KT has repented and found true forgiveness from the Lord. If that is the case I have no problem accepting what he says as long as it is sincere repentance. I just have trouble trusting if what he says is real because he fooled so many people for such a long time while flying on planes, driving long distances, and staying in motels supposedly alone. Who is he acountable to now? I fully trust God's ability to forgive and wash away sin. I do not trust people who can seem so sincere one minute and be in sinful lifestyles the next minute. In I Corinthians 5, Paul addresses a situation where a certain man committed fornication with his step mother. Paul basically says he was leaven that leaventh the whole lump. He also said in verse 5 to deliver such a person to Satan; in other words, set him out of the church while he continues to live in sin until he gets a belly full of the world. In verse 11, he says not to have anything to do with such a person. We are to put away such a wicked person.

Before the church forgives and accepts someone who has lived in sin, we must first see true, geniune, humble, repentance. I do believe it is commanded for us to forgive once someone has truely repented - the bible says we are suppose to and we would be wrong if we did not do so. However, the bible never says we are obligated to put such a person up to sing, teach, preach, or to hold an office in the church.

Concerning KT - My concern is not so much what he has done in the past. We all know the admitted sin. We also know the admitted repentance. My concern and reservation is that KT wrote gospel songs, got on stage and sung about Jesus, and still held his head high while hiding in the sinful corners of homosexuality for a number of years. Yes God forgives. Yes God delivers. However, how can one go back on the road, travel alone, unmarried, and there’s no one there physically there to be accountable to? This would lead to accessable opportunity to fall right back into the same lifestyle as before.

If a drunk is delivered from drinking, he must stay away from any business that would tempt him to get another drink. True repentance will cause a person to avoid the very appearance of evil.

I truely hope KT has repented and found true forgiveness from the Lord. If that is the case I have no problem accepting what he says as long as it is sincere repentance. I just have trouble trusting if what he says is real because he fooled so many people for such a long time while flying on planes, driving long distances, and staying in motels supposedly alone. Who is he acountable to now? I fully trust God’s ability to forgive and wash away sin. I do not trust people who can seem so sincere one minute and be in sinful lifestyles the next minute.

]]> By: Charles Brady http://averyfineline.com/2007/09/25/quote-of-the-day-7/#comment-155224 Charles Brady Tue, 16 Oct 2007 03:21:19 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/09/25/quote-of-the-day-7/#comment-155224 And forgive us our trespasses, As we forgive those who trespass against us. And forgive us our trespasses,
As we forgive those who trespass against us.

]]> By: Practical Fellow http://averyfineline.com/2007/09/25/quote-of-the-day-7/#comment-155217 Practical Fellow Tue, 16 Oct 2007 03:11:03 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/09/25/quote-of-the-day-7/#comment-155217 #94 - Aaron S You might reconsider your statement on why you forgive. We forgive (i.e. release the debt owed to us) because we have been forgiven. I assume you mean that you can begin to trust someone again when they demonstrate a repentent heart. On a completely different note... which artists are going into the studio soon? #94 - Aaron S

You might reconsider your statement on why you forgive. We forgive (i.e. release the debt owed to us) because we have been forgiven. I assume you mean that you can begin to trust someone again when they demonstrate a repentent heart.

On a completely different note… which artists are going into the studio soon?

]]> By: Music chick http://averyfineline.com/2007/09/25/quote-of-the-day-7/#comment-155211 Music chick Tue, 16 Oct 2007 03:07:32 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/09/25/quote-of-the-day-7/#comment-155211 #95, Jim also will have a solo project out in a few months in addition to his "love songs" project with wife, Melissa. Those boys could sing alone or with anybody, including Elmer Fudd, and sound great! #95,
Jim also will have a solo project out in a few months in addition to his “love songs” project with wife, Melissa. Those boys could sing alone or with anybody, including Elmer Fudd, and sound great!

]]> By: matureman http://averyfineline.com/2007/09/25/quote-of-the-day-7/#comment-155209 matureman Tue, 16 Oct 2007 03:02:26 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/09/25/quote-of-the-day-7/#comment-155209 How many times should we forgive? The Bible says 70 X 7 is a good starter. The Father forgives and we just confirm it and encourage the fallen one. Anything wrong with that? It doesn't mean that we have to have them over to dine if we're uncomfortable with being around them... but, shouldn't we be willing to invite them if God lays it on our heart? Would you shut the door on that Divine nudge? How many times should we forgive? The Bible says 70 X 7 is a good starter.

The Father forgives and we just confirm it and encourage the fallen one. Anything wrong with that?

It doesn’t mean that we have to have them over to dine if we’re uncomfortable with being around them… but, shouldn’t we be willing to invite them if God lays it on our heart? Would you shut the door on that Divine nudge?

]]> By: TLN http://averyfineline.com/2007/09/25/quote-of-the-day-7/#comment-155122 TLN Tue, 16 Oct 2007 01:46:12 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/09/25/quote-of-the-day-7/#comment-155122 #74, #80 and #86 I was recently at a Booth Brothers concert...and Jim Brady already had a brand new "love songs" project available for purchase at their product table. This is the second one he has put out. 'CLC', is this the "new CD" you are talking about, or is putting out another one? #74, #80 and #86
I was recently at a Booth Brothers concert…and Jim Brady already had a brand new “love songs” project available for purchase at their product table. This is the second one he has put out. ‘CLC’, is this the “new CD” you are talking about, or is putting out another one?

]]> By: aaron s http://averyfineline.com/2007/09/25/quote-of-the-day-7/#comment-155049 aaron s Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:33:27 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/09/25/quote-of-the-day-7/#comment-155049 #88 - I know there is a SG artist that was caught red handed and sort of confessed. Of course I am talking about KT. Several have let him back in, while others - including me - haven't. the reason that i haven't is mainly because he told me personally that, "this is something that is just between me and God and well other men that will go unnamed" He laughed if off as though it was no big deal. When I don't see sorrow, I don't forgive. that is just my take. #88 - I know there is a SG artist that was caught red handed and sort of confessed. Of course I am talking about KT. Several have let him back in, while others - including me - haven’t. the reason that i haven’t is mainly because he told me personally that, “this is something that is just between me and God and well other men that will go unnamed” He laughed if off as though it was no big deal. When I don’t see sorrow, I don’t forgive. that is just my take.

]]> By: RR http://averyfineline.com/2007/09/25/quote-of-the-day-7/#comment-154898 RR Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:06:34 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/09/25/quote-of-the-day-7/#comment-154898 If I were a member of a congregation led by a person who had moral failure, I would no longer want to be under his/her teaching. So, even though there might be a process of restoration within the guidelines of the church, and even though I know God forgives, I would never want to see that person in a position of leadership again. If I were a member of a congregation led by a person who had moral failure, I would no longer want to be under his/her teaching. So, even though there might be a process of restoration within the guidelines of the church, and even though I know God forgives, I would never want to see that person in a position of leadership again.

]]> By: Leebob http://averyfineline.com/2007/09/25/quote-of-the-day-7/#comment-154886 Leebob Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:55:13 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/09/25/quote-of-the-day-7/#comment-154886 #88...How long should they be held to public scrutiny and should they be allowed in a position of leadership? Two very good questions that I await with unbated anticipation for answers from the diverse crowd on this sight. Public scrutiny and for how long will be determined by the public. One degree of variability will be the degree to which the individual was holding others accountable and from what position. See Bill Clinton, who didn't care how you lived vs. If George Bush were caught in the same acts. The higher the standard you are throwing out there, the longer the backlash will be. The question of position of leadership would depend on a couple of things: what is the position and what was the wrongdoing? The higher the position (i.e. pastor, missionary) the higher the standard God sets. See Moses and his inability to control his temper. Not hardly fair in human eyes that the man led the thankless Israelites up to the milk and honey but he could not partake of the final blessing. How about David who desperately wanted to build a temple but was not allowed because he was a man of war? Most of what we put on here are opinions and standards that we as mere humans can comprehend while giving little regard to Biblical Truth. Perhaps a good rule on this subject would be to require chapter and verse for the basis of our opinions, or at the very least examples from scripture that would show where we are coming from. #88…How long should they be held to public scrutiny and should they be allowed in a position of leadership?

Two very good questions that I await with unbated anticipation for answers from the diverse crowd on this sight. Public scrutiny and for how long will be determined by the public. One degree of variability will be the degree to which the individual was holding others accountable and from what position. See Bill Clinton, who didn’t care how you lived vs. If George Bush were caught in the same acts. The higher the standard you are throwing out there, the longer the backlash will be.

The question of position of leadership would depend on a couple of things: what is the position and what was the wrongdoing? The higher the position (i.e. pastor, missionary) the higher the standard God sets. See Moses and his inability to control his temper. Not hardly fair in human eyes that the man led the thankless Israelites up to the milk and honey but he could not partake of the final blessing. How about David who desperately wanted to build a temple but was not allowed because he was a man of war?

Most of what we put on here are opinions and standards that we as mere humans can comprehend while giving little regard to Biblical Truth. Perhaps a good rule on this subject would be to require chapter and verse for the basis of our opinions, or at the very least examples from scripture that would show where we are coming from.

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