Comments on: The Grammys again http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/07/the-grammys-again/ Criticism and commentary on southern gospel music Wed, 23 May 2012 10:23:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3 By: brenda http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/07/the-grammys-again/#comment-228241 brenda Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:53:52 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/07/the-grammys-again/#comment-228241 cdguy, I don't know who is missed and who is not. I don't know who left and who was asked to leave. But I do have access to sales numbers and that was my point. I am confident that the owner of Daywind is there to make a profit. The current roster could not be compared to the former roster if sales numbers are the discussion. That WAS my point, not who liked who or who was holding a grudge??? I'm not privy to all of that and I don't think that should be a topic that is publicly discussed. I am not unhappy with the outcome of the Karen Peck nomination. I think she is very nice. I am sure that block voting created the nomination, certainly not sales or career growth. As I said earlier, good for Karen. The point I was making is that SALES are DOWN, Sometimes we are led to believe that these nominations signify growth and career highs. They don't. A career high is recording a "God On The Mountan" or "Midnight Cry" or "Through The Fire" and selling a gazillion copies of it. It would seem to an onlooker that Karen's career high may have been recording and singling "Four Days Late." The new Daywind album certainly did not rival that recording. For the record. I think most people obviously like Karen Peck. The point I make is nominations in the past that correlate with a successful year (sales and growth) are believable. GVB, Cathedrals, even Crabbs, but last year and this year it feels as if the nomination came from a drawing. I think most people will agree. The answer is for more people to join NARAS and vote!! Legitimize this with some truth. cdguy,
I don’t know who is missed and who is not. I don’t know who left and who was asked to leave. But I do have access to sales numbers and that was my point. I am confident that the owner of Daywind is there to make a profit. The current roster could not be compared to the former roster if sales numbers are the discussion. That WAS my point, not
who liked who or who was holding a grudge??? I’m not privy to all of that and I don’t think that should be a topic that is publicly discussed.
I am not unhappy with the outcome of the Karen Peck nomination. I think she is very nice. I am sure that block voting created the nomination, certainly not sales or career growth. As I said earlier, good for Karen.

The point I was making is that SALES are DOWN, Sometimes we are led to believe that these nominations signify growth and career highs. They don’t.

A career high is recording a “God On The Mountan” or “Midnight Cry” or “Through The Fire” and selling a gazillion copies of it. It would seem to an onlooker that Karen’s career high may have been recording and singling “Four Days Late.” The new Daywind album certainly did not rival that recording.

For the record. I think most people obviously like Karen Peck. The point I make is nominations in the past that correlate with a successful year (sales and growth) are believable. GVB, Cathedrals, even Crabbs, but last year and this year it feels as if the nomination came from a drawing. I think most people will agree.

The answer is for more people to join NARAS and vote!! Legitimize this with some truth.

]]> By: Music chick http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/07/the-grammys-again/#comment-227061 Music chick Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:14:04 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/07/the-grammys-again/#comment-227061 Regarding the Grammys, if not Karen Peck, then someone else. There is a Southern, Country, Bluegrass Gospel category. Would you rather see it dominated by country music singers that happened to do a gospel album, or by people who legitimately do this daily as a ministry and are recognized in gospel music? And wouldn't you rather it be someone like KP&R who has a quality reputation in SG? Regarding the Grammys, if not Karen Peck, then someone else. There is a Southern, Country, Bluegrass Gospel category. Would you rather see it dominated by country music singers that happened to do a gospel album, or by people who legitimately do this daily as a ministry and are recognized in gospel music? And wouldn’t you rather it be someone like KP&R who has a quality reputation in SG?

]]> By: cdguy http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/07/the-grammys-again/#comment-226321 cdguy Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:12:08 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/07/the-grammys-again/#comment-226321 Brenda, I'm not sure where you get your info, but not all the names you mentioned as being "gone" from Daywind are gone at all. And from what I hear, not all the ones who are gone will be missed much. Any label who lasts 20 years or more, as Daywind has, sees many changes in artist lineups and employees. I don't see Daywind as any different in that area. It doesn't necessarily mean any. That's just life in the biz. As has been insinuated earlier by another poster, if you're not happy with the process or the outcome, it's probably because you were not involved. If you want to see things change, GET INVOLVED. Kinda like a lot of other areas in life, huh? Brenda, I’m not sure where you get your info, but not all the names you mentioned as being “gone” from Daywind are gone at all. And from what I hear, not all the ones who are gone will be missed much.

Any label who lasts 20 years or more, as Daywind has, sees many changes in artist lineups and employees. I don’t see Daywind as any different in that area. It doesn’t necessarily mean any. That’s just life in the biz.

As has been insinuated earlier by another poster, if you’re not happy with the process or the outcome, it’s probably because you were not involved. If you want to see things change, GET INVOLVED.

Kinda like a lot of other areas in life, huh?

]]> By: Tim http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/07/the-grammys-again/#comment-226160 Tim Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:57:23 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/07/the-grammys-again/#comment-226160 I have heard all the nominees and they are good. The one thing about the recording from Kenny and Amanda Smith is, the musicians that you hear on the recording are the ones that actually play live during their shows which should be considered but I doubt it will. I miss the live bands in Southern Gospel. I have heard all the nominees and they are good. The one thing about the recording from Kenny and Amanda Smith is, the musicians that you hear on the recording are the ones that actually play live during their shows which should be considered but I doubt it will. I miss the live bands in Southern Gospel.

]]> By: Derek http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/07/the-grammys-again/#comment-225235 Derek Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:57:35 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/07/the-grammys-again/#comment-225235 Block voting or not, it could have been much worse than KP&NR! At least it is a SG group we have heard of, and who puts out decent material who got the nomination. Of course, like it has already been said, I'm not sure what it means other than bragging rights. I seriously doubt promoters will race to book them any faster because of this nomination. At least it's SG, not another warmed-over country song (oops I forgot we are supposed to call it "Positive"). Block voting or not, it could have been much worse than KP&NR! At least it is a SG group we have heard of, and who puts out decent material who got the nomination. Of course, like it has already been said, I’m not sure what it means other than bragging rights. I seriously doubt promoters will race to book them any faster because of this nomination. At least it’s SG, not another warmed-over country song (oops I forgot we are supposed to call it “Positive”).

]]> By: Rod http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/07/the-grammys-again/#comment-224757 Rod Tue, 11 Dec 2007 07:06:42 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/07/the-grammys-again/#comment-224757 The fact is...They didn't EARN it. The fact is…They didn’t EARN it.

]]> By: brenda http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/07/the-grammys-again/#comment-224688 brenda Tue, 11 Dec 2007 05:50:54 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/07/the-grammys-again/#comment-224688 Ed has to do something, it has been a few bad months for him. Crabbs are gone, Mike Bowling is gone, McRaes are gone, Triumphant is gone, is Greater Vision still there? Most of the employees that made the label work are gone. I think Norman is the last man standing from the crew that actually saw sales and success. Ed is a really nice guy but he has had a streak of bad luck. I hope it is over for him soon. But with sales numbers looking pretty gloomy and downloads edging out the "mom and pop" music buyer, I tend to think that recovery might be difficult. However, I guess they paid their NARAS dues so they can still vote for a Grammy nomination. Good for Karen! I know Daywind misses the sales volume of The Crabb Family and Gold City. They lost a great deal when they lost the Crabb Family. Ed has to do something, it has been a few bad months for him. Crabbs are gone, Mike Bowling is gone, McRaes are gone, Triumphant is gone, is Greater Vision still there? Most of the employees that made the label work are gone. I think Norman is the last man standing from the crew that actually saw sales and success. Ed is a really nice guy but he has had a streak of bad luck. I hope it is over for him soon. But with sales numbers looking pretty gloomy and downloads edging out the “mom and pop” music buyer, I tend to think that recovery might be difficult.

However, I guess they paid their NARAS dues so they can still vote for a Grammy nomination. Good for Karen!

I know Daywind misses the sales volume of The Crabb Family and Gold City. They lost a great deal when they lost the Crabb Family.

]]> By: cynical one http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/07/the-grammys-again/#comment-224038 cynical one Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:08:04 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/07/the-grammys-again/#comment-224038 If voting only had to do with who's heard the recordings, the Grammy's would be hardpressed to find 5 nominees in this category. While I don't always agree with the award results, I think there are some unfair accusations floating around here. If voting only had to do with who’s heard the recordings, the Grammy’s would be hardpressed to find 5 nominees in this category. While I don’t always agree with the award results, I think there are some unfair accusations floating around here.

]]> By: wackythinker http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/07/the-grammys-again/#comment-224031 wackythinker Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:57:34 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/07/the-grammys-again/#comment-224031 How many industry folks on the left coast do you think ever heard of the Kenny & Amanda Smith Band? I'm a big follower of s/g from the southeast, and I've never heard of them until now. Most of the nominations come from people who work within the particular category, not from the population in general, nor even the industry at large. So, narrowing it down to people who work within the "southern, country, or bluegrass gospel" field, who would you think has NOT had opportunity to hear KPNR's newest album, or not heard at least a song or two? And even if you don't think it's the BEST "southern, country, or bluegrass gospel album" this year, apparently enough industry folks thought it was enough better than most of the others, that it got voted into the top 5. How many industry folks on the left coast do you think ever heard of the Kenny & Amanda Smith Band? I’m a big follower of s/g from the southeast, and I’ve never heard of them until now.

Most of the nominations come from people who work within the particular category, not from the population in general, nor even the industry at large.

So, narrowing it down to people who work within the “southern, country, or bluegrass gospel” field, who would you think has NOT had opportunity to hear KPNR’s newest album, or not heard at least a song or two? And even if you don’t think it’s the BEST “southern, country, or bluegrass gospel album” this year, apparently enough industry folks thought it was enough better than most of the others, that it got voted into the top 5.

]]> By: SM http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/07/the-grammys-again/#comment-223970 SM Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:43:35 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/07/the-grammys-again/#comment-223970 I'm with Dexter. Why talk about the Grammys when we can discuss the Eddie Awards?! And they say there's too many meaningless awards in southern gospel. I’m with Dexter. Why talk about the Grammys when we can discuss the Eddie Awards?!

And they say there’s too many meaningless awards in southern gospel.

]]> By: cdguy http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/07/the-grammys-again/#comment-223966 cdguy Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:33:41 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/07/the-grammys-again/#comment-223966 Oldtimer: I agree whole heartedly with your kind comments about Ed and Dottie. They, and the rest of the Daywind staff, are class acts. When it comes to nominations and awards, they come up on top because they know how to pick artists and producers. Do they know how to work radio? Obviously. Do they have clout in the industry, Definitely. Do they abuse it? I don't see it, and I'm close enough to know. They are some of the most ethical people I've been around in the industry. Now, let's think about the accusation others have made, that Daywind leveraged a Grammy nomination for Kenny Bishop. Who really thinks they would have used that leverage for Kenny, instead of some of their top-tier artists. I know if I were going to do something underhanded, I'd like to think I'd be smart enough to make it believable. Perrys, Crabb Family, Greater Vision, et al, would have made more sense. Ed and Dottie are smart business people. They would not have built their business to where they are, otherwise. They have a heart for the Lord, and for their people. I don't see them doing anything illegal, immoral, or unethical. But frankly, there are others in this industry I can't say that about. I've worked with some of the biggest and best. Not everyone seems to hold themselves to the standards many on this blog appear to hold. Daywind is one company that does. Oldtimer: I agree whole heartedly with your kind comments about Ed and Dottie. They, and the rest of the Daywind staff, are class acts. When it comes to nominations and awards, they come up on top because they know how to pick artists and producers. Do they know how to work radio? Obviously. Do they have clout in the industry, Definitely. Do they abuse it? I don’t see it, and I’m close enough to know. They are some of the most ethical people I’ve been around in the industry.

Now, let’s think about the accusation others have made, that Daywind leveraged a Grammy nomination for Kenny Bishop. Who really thinks they would have used that leverage for Kenny, instead of some of their top-tier artists. I know if I were going to do something underhanded, I’d like to think I’d be smart enough to make it believable. Perrys, Crabb Family, Greater Vision, et al, would have made more sense.

Ed and Dottie are smart business people. They would not have built their business to where they are, otherwise. They have a heart for the Lord, and for their people. I don’t see them doing anything illegal, immoral, or unethical. But frankly, there are others in this industry I can’t say that about. I’ve worked with some of the biggest and best. Not everyone seems to hold themselves to the standards many on this blog appear to hold. Daywind is one company that does.

]]> By: Dexter http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/07/the-grammys-again/#comment-223575 Dexter Mon, 10 Dec 2007 05:52:54 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/07/the-grammys-again/#comment-223575 Two Words...WHO CARES??! Two Words…WHO CARES??!

]]> By: Stace http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/07/the-grammys-again/#comment-223540 Stace Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:43:29 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/07/the-grammys-again/#comment-223540 I don't know much about the Grammy voting process, but I do know KP&NR and they are not second tier by any stretch of the word. There's a lot of miles behind that one "Grammy" nomination just let them enjoy it! I don’t know much about the Grammy voting process, but I do know KP&NR and they are not second tier by any stretch of the word. There’s a lot of miles behind that one “Grammy” nomination just let them enjoy it!

]]> By: Grigs http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/07/the-grammys-again/#comment-223441 Grigs Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:22:44 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/07/the-grammys-again/#comment-223441 I will not stand by and see Toto and the Anita Kerr Singers besmirched by Norm Graham! LOL...just kiddin'. Congrats KP&NR. I will not stand by and see Toto and the Anita Kerr Singers besmirched by Norm Graham!

LOL…just kiddin’. Congrats KP&NR.

]]> By: Shadie http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/07/the-grammys-again/#comment-222569 Shadie Sun, 09 Dec 2007 06:47:04 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/07/the-grammys-again/#comment-222569 Billboards don't equal awards, it just takes money to be able to afford both. Billboards don’t equal awards, it just takes money to be able to afford both.

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