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	<title>Comments on: Everybody&#8217;s a criminal now</title>
	<link>http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/31/everybodys-a-criminal-now/</link>
	<description>Criticism and commentary on southern gospel music</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 10:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: gsmooth</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/31/everybodys-a-criminal-now/#comment-261801</link>
		<dc:creator>gsmooth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/31/everybodys-a-criminal-now/#comment-261801</guid>
		<description>Ben, when you re-use a track, how do you pay the musicians?  The only mechanical royalties I've ever paid was to the owners or the publishers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, when you re-use a track, how do you pay the musicians?  The only mechanical royalties I&#8217;ve ever paid was to the owners or the publishers.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/31/everybodys-a-criminal-now/#comment-256208</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/31/everybodys-a-criminal-now/#comment-256208</guid>
		<description>"the RIAA has no idea how to undertake an industry-wide effort to make music easier to buy digitally than to steal or (illegally) share"

Downloading music from iTunes or another legal site is not technically more difficult than downloading from a P2P site. So does "easier" equal "free"? If not, what are you really trying to say?

NPR got the writer of the WP story together with the president of the RIAA for a very interesting conversation. More here: http://www.npr.org/blogs/talk/2008/01/rip_this_and_sue_that.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the RIAA has no idea how to undertake an industry-wide effort to make music easier to buy digitally than to steal or (illegally) share&#8221;</p>
<p>Downloading music from iTunes or another legal site is not technically more difficult than downloading from a P2P site. So does &#8220;easier&#8221; equal &#8220;free&#8221;? If not, what are you really trying to say?</p>
<p>NPR got the writer of the WP story together with the president of the RIAA for a very interesting conversation. More here: <a href="http://www.npr.org/blogs/talk/2008/01/rip_this_and_sue_that.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/blogs/talk/2008/01/rip_this_and_sue_that.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: David Bruce Murray</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/31/everybodys-a-criminal-now/#comment-254174</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bruce Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 06:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/31/everybodys-a-criminal-now/#comment-254174</guid>
		<description>This blog writer makes a great point...she's talking about Hollywood rather than the music industry, but the same logic applies to a certain degree.

http://as4me.com/blog/2008/01/humor_from_hollywood.html
"All I could think of was the ludicrous hypocrisy of the 'piracy is stealing' campaign Hollywood keeps running. Make stealing look hip and cool in movie after movie, grind morals down into the dust and make good folk look square...then turn around and tell people stealing from you is bad. Uh...yeah."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This blog writer makes a great point&#8230;she&#8217;s talking about Hollywood rather than the music industry, but the same logic applies to a certain degree.</p>
<p><a href="http://as4me.com/blog/2008/01/humor_from_hollywood.html" rel="nofollow">http://as4me.com/blog/2008/01/humor_from_hollywood.html</a><br />
&#8220;All I could think of was the ludicrous hypocrisy of the &#8216;piracy is stealing&#8217; campaign Hollywood keeps running. Make stealing look hip and cool in movie after movie, grind morals down into the dust and make good folk look square&#8230;then turn around and tell people stealing from you is bad. Uh&#8230;yeah.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Harris</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/31/everybodys-a-criminal-now/#comment-253960</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 00:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/31/everybodys-a-criminal-now/#comment-253960</guid>
		<description>Charles I meant just as it sounded. When a recorded work is re-used, re-issued, or sold for re-use, the studio musicians are supposed to be paid again. This is union regulations. The labels do not own the intellectual work or art of the studio musicians. They were hired for a session and paid wages for either demo, limited or master scale, and that gives the label the right to use the intellectual work for that project only. Selling or leasing tracks is actually legal grounds for the musicians union to take action against the person who violated the contract. As to union players on SG sessions...every session I work on has union musicians and union contracts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles I meant just as it sounded. When a recorded work is re-used, re-issued, or sold for re-use, the studio musicians are supposed to be paid again. This is union regulations. The labels do not own the intellectual work or art of the studio musicians. They were hired for a session and paid wages for either demo, limited or master scale, and that gives the label the right to use the intellectual work for that project only. Selling or leasing tracks is actually legal grounds for the musicians union to take action against the person who violated the contract. As to union players on SG sessions&#8230;every session I work on has union musicians and union contracts.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Brady</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/31/everybodys-a-criminal-now/#comment-253677</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Brady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/31/everybodys-a-criminal-now/#comment-253677</guid>
		<description>Ben said:
"when labels sell sound tracks to groups and they record a CD of their own using these sound tracks, no one bothers to pay the musicians again, nor the studio, the producer or the arranger"

Ben I think that all depends on who owns the music. If the label pays the session players as a "work for hire" then the labels own the tracks and can do what they want with them. Including leasing the tracks to other artists for projects. This is a very common practice. Maybe what you meant was when a group pays 10 bucks for a performance track and then think they have the right to steal it and use it on their own recording. Now that is stealing and needs to be stopped.

I don't recall meeting many "Union" players in the SG studio's I have visited. Are there any?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben said:<br />
&#8220;when labels sell sound tracks to groups and they record a CD of their own using these sound tracks, no one bothers to pay the musicians again, nor the studio, the producer or the arranger&#8221;</p>
<p>Ben I think that all depends on who owns the music. If the label pays the session players as a &#8220;work for hire&#8221; then the labels own the tracks and can do what they want with them. Including leasing the tracks to other artists for projects. This is a very common practice. Maybe what you meant was when a group pays 10 bucks for a performance track and then think they have the right to steal it and use it on their own recording. Now that is stealing and needs to be stopped.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t recall meeting many &#8220;Union&#8221; players in the SG studio&#8217;s I have visited. Are there any?</p>
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		<title>By: Zack</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/31/everybodys-a-criminal-now/#comment-253310</link>
		<dc:creator>Zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 05:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/31/everybodys-a-criminal-now/#comment-253310</guid>
		<description>AMEN Ben!!!! PREACH ON!!! lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AMEN Ben!!!! PREACH ON!!! lol</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Harris</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/31/everybodys-a-criminal-now/#comment-253112</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 00:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/31/everybodys-a-criminal-now/#comment-253112</guid>
		<description>A few years ago after leaving a funeral with one of the members of our group, we had the occassion to run into a cousin of mine who happens to be a Baptist minister. When he saw the two of us he was very eager to tell us how much he enjoyed our latest CD. He enjoyed it so much that he had copied it for many of his church members so they too could enjoy it. I about lost it, and proceeded to tell him why what he had done was wrong, and was in fact stealing. He had never looked at it that way. Now on another note, when labels sell sound tracks to groups and they record a CD of their own using these sound tracks, no one bothers to pay the musicians again, nor the studio, the producer or the arranger. This too is illegal and the musicians union has vowed to put a stop to it in 2008. I say it is about time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few years ago after leaving a funeral with one of the members of our group, we had the occassion to run into a cousin of mine who happens to be a Baptist minister. When he saw the two of us he was very eager to tell us how much he enjoyed our latest CD. He enjoyed it so much that he had copied it for many of his church members so they too could enjoy it. I about lost it, and proceeded to tell him why what he had done was wrong, and was in fact stealing. He had never looked at it that way. Now on another note, when labels sell sound tracks to groups and they record a CD of their own using these sound tracks, no one bothers to pay the musicians again, nor the studio, the producer or the arranger. This too is illegal and the musicians union has vowed to put a stop to it in 2008. I say it is about time.</p>
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		<title>By: cynical one</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/31/everybodys-a-criminal-now/#comment-253032</link>
		<dc:creator>cynical one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 22:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/31/everybodys-a-criminal-now/#comment-253032</guid>
		<description>John #17 -- Why?  Because the shoplifter steals tangible items.  RIAA protects intellectual property, and most of us don't understand what intellectual properties are, or why they should be protected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John #17 &#8212; Why?  Because the shoplifter steals tangible items.  RIAA protects intellectual property, and most of us don&#8217;t understand what intellectual properties are, or why they should be protected.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/31/everybodys-a-criminal-now/#comment-252846</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/31/everybodys-a-criminal-now/#comment-252846</guid>
		<description>The Washington Post fumbled the ball on this story. If you read the supplemental brief (you can do so here: http://www.ilrweb.com/viewILRPDF.asp?filename=atlantic_howell_071207RIAASupplementalBrief) you'll quickly see that it's not about simply copying music to a computer; it's making that music available to others though a "shared" folder and a P2P service.

The point of the lawsuit is that this person was making copyrighted worked available to others and that it was in fact distributed to others without authorization or payment to the rights holders.

I'm still admittedly a little perplexed why the RIAA gets such bad press for protecting the intellectual property rights of its members. The press doesn't smear a retailer who prosecutes shoplifters. Why is the record industry such a pariah?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Washington Post fumbled the ball on this story. If you read the supplemental brief (you can do so here: <a href="http://www.ilrweb.com/viewILRPDF.asp?filename=atlantic_howell_071207RIAASupplementalBrief" rel="nofollow">http://www.ilrweb.com/viewILRPDF.asp?filename=atlantic_howell_071207RIAASupplementalBrief</a>) you&#8217;ll quickly see that it&#8217;s not about simply copying music to a computer; it&#8217;s making that music available to others though a &#8220;shared&#8221; folder and a P2P service.</p>
<p>The point of the lawsuit is that this person was making copyrighted worked available to others and that it was in fact distributed to others without authorization or payment to the rights holders.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still admittedly a little perplexed why the RIAA gets such bad press for protecting the intellectual property rights of its members. The press doesn&#8217;t smear a retailer who prosecutes shoplifters. Why is the record industry such a pariah?</p>
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		<title>By: David Bruce Murray</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/31/everybodys-a-criminal-now/#comment-252569</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bruce Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 07:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/31/everybodys-a-criminal-now/#comment-252569</guid>
		<description>cdguy,
Thanks for correcting my error. For some reason, I had failed to absorb that Jammie Thomas was charged with distribution of copyrighted materials, but you are correct. I'll get that info added to my blog article.

I would still point out, though, that the minimum fine for simple song theft according to the law is $750 per infraction. That's the cost of the 99 cent product times 750, even if you merely avoided paying the 99 cents it would have cost you to buy it legally...simple theft. The Supreme Court has established that 500 times actual damages is unconstitutionally excessive, yet this law has a multiplier of 750 for the minimal infraction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cdguy,<br />
Thanks for correcting my error. For some reason, I had failed to absorb that Jammie Thomas was charged with distribution of copyrighted materials, but you are correct. I&#8217;ll get that info added to my blog article.</p>
<p>I would still point out, though, that the minimum fine for simple song theft according to the law is $750 per infraction. That&#8217;s the cost of the 99 cent product times 750, even if you merely avoided paying the 99 cents it would have cost you to buy it legally&#8230;simple theft. The Supreme Court has established that 500 times actual damages is unconstitutionally excessive, yet this law has a multiplier of 750 for the minimal infraction.</p>
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		<title>By: David Bruce Murray</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/31/everybodys-a-criminal-now/#comment-252553</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bruce Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 06:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/31/everybodys-a-criminal-now/#comment-252553</guid>
		<description>Today I read a clarification on this issue. The RIAA isn't taking a "ripping files to a computer is illegal" position. They're responding to a judge's request of whether or not the copies are "unauthorized." "Unauthorized" isn't the same as "illegal." Authorization isn't required to listen to your music whether it's on the original disc or on your computer.

Some of you may say that's just semantics, but in fairness, there is a "fine line" (you can pay me later, Doug) there. 

For further clarification, it seems their big concern in this case is that the defendant had place his ripped files in his Kazaa shared folder...offering copyrighted files to others for download whenever he was online.

http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/2007/12/riaa-files-supplemental-brief-in.html
(This site seems to think the shared folder charge is an afterthought inserted into the brief.)

If the shared folder issue is the heart of their case, it seems they would be going after him with simple piracy charges...offering something to strangers that he didn't have the legal right to offer. How his legally owned files came to be on his personal computer is really irrelevant to the question of whether or not he's sharing them with the entire world.

My question would be whether or not the RIAA had a court order to "wiretap" as it were, his personal activity on his own computer. If not, couldn't he counter sue the RIAA for invasion of privacy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today I read a clarification on this issue. The RIAA isn&#8217;t taking a &#8220;ripping files to a computer is illegal&#8221; position. They&#8217;re responding to a judge&#8217;s request of whether or not the copies are &#8220;unauthorized.&#8221; &#8220;Unauthorized&#8221; isn&#8217;t the same as &#8220;illegal.&#8221; Authorization isn&#8217;t required to listen to your music whether it&#8217;s on the original disc or on your computer.</p>
<p>Some of you may say that&#8217;s just semantics, but in fairness, there is a &#8220;fine line&#8221; (you can pay me later, Doug) there. </p>
<p>For further clarification, it seems their big concern in this case is that the defendant had place his ripped files in his Kazaa shared folder&#8230;offering copyrighted files to others for download whenever he was online.</p>
<p><a href="http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/2007/12/riaa-files-supplemental-brief-in.html" rel="nofollow">http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/2007/12/riaa-files-supplemental-brief-in.html</a><br />
(This site seems to think the shared folder charge is an afterthought inserted into the brief.)</p>
<p>If the shared folder issue is the heart of their case, it seems they would be going after him with simple piracy charges&#8230;offering something to strangers that he didn&#8217;t have the legal right to offer. How his legally owned files came to be on his personal computer is really irrelevant to the question of whether or not he&#8217;s sharing them with the entire world.</p>
<p>My question would be whether or not the RIAA had a court order to &#8220;wiretap&#8221; as it were, his personal activity on his own computer. If not, couldn&#8217;t he counter sue the RIAA for invasion of privacy?</p>
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		<title>By: cdguy</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/31/everybodys-a-criminal-now/#comment-252165</link>
		<dc:creator>cdguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/31/everybodys-a-criminal-now/#comment-252165</guid>
		<description>I think there's some faulty thinking going around on this subject.  Although RIAA claims on it's website that loading your cd's into your computer is against the law/rules, that has not been tested in court.  And just because I bought a cd, that doesn't give me the right to do whatever I want with it.  The law has been down the middle of this.

The courts have held you can make copies for your own use, as long as nothing changes hand.  You can't loan your cd to a friend for him/her to make a copy, or make a copy for Aunt Sophie ('cause she can't afford to buy a cd), or borrow your brother's cd to make a copy.  That's the same principle that's upheld in the case noted in the above-mentioned article.  Song sharing.

That would include transferring your old vinyl, 3-tracks, or cassettes to cd or digital files; transferring your digital files from your PC to your ipod; or burning songs from your PC onto a disc to listen to in the car.  As long as nothing changes hands, it's been deemed ok by the courts.   Nothing more stingent has been tested in the courts.

The case quoted in this article does not just say the lady only stole the songs.  She was fined that heavily, because she SHARED the songs.  So the analogy goes beyond stealing $20.  

I think, based on what the courts have done in the past, and even what this judgment is, it's probably going to be difficult for RIAA to enforce it's no uploading rule.  But then, that's just IMHO.

As for the question about radio, yes, Shawn is correct.  They are supposed to pay a licensing fee (equivalent of paying a royalty), based on their listenership.  Those fees are then dispersed to the writers and publishers of the songs that are played.  So, theoretically, no one is being cheated out of his/her rightful moneys.  And because of this process, if the artist did not write the song, the artist often does not make as much money as the writer.  (That's not necessarily the case in gospel, but other genres, at least.)  If fact, under the current process, artists receive no airplay royalties -- only the writers and publishers.

Hope that helps answer some of the questions, as I understand the situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there&#8217;s some faulty thinking going around on this subject.  Although RIAA claims on it&#8217;s website that loading your cd&#8217;s into your computer is against the law/rules, that has not been tested in court.  And just because I bought a cd, that doesn&#8217;t give me the right to do whatever I want with it.  The law has been down the middle of this.</p>
<p>The courts have held you can make copies for your own use, as long as nothing changes hand.  You can&#8217;t loan your cd to a friend for him/her to make a copy, or make a copy for Aunt Sophie (&#8217;cause she can&#8217;t afford to buy a cd), or borrow your brother&#8217;s cd to make a copy.  That&#8217;s the same principle that&#8217;s upheld in the case noted in the above-mentioned article.  Song sharing.</p>
<p>That would include transferring your old vinyl, 3-tracks, or cassettes to cd or digital files; transferring your digital files from your PC to your ipod; or burning songs from your PC onto a disc to listen to in the car.  As long as nothing changes hands, it&#8217;s been deemed ok by the courts.   Nothing more stingent has been tested in the courts.</p>
<p>The case quoted in this article does not just say the lady only stole the songs.  She was fined that heavily, because she SHARED the songs.  So the analogy goes beyond stealing $20.  </p>
<p>I think, based on what the courts have done in the past, and even what this judgment is, it&#8217;s probably going to be difficult for RIAA to enforce it&#8217;s no uploading rule.  But then, that&#8217;s just IMHO.</p>
<p>As for the question about radio, yes, Shawn is correct.  They are supposed to pay a licensing fee (equivalent of paying a royalty), based on their listenership.  Those fees are then dispersed to the writers and publishers of the songs that are played.  So, theoretically, no one is being cheated out of his/her rightful moneys.  And because of this process, if the artist did not write the song, the artist often does not make as much money as the writer.  (That&#8217;s not necessarily the case in gospel, but other genres, at least.)  If fact, under the current process, artists receive no airplay royalties &#8212; only the writers and publishers.</p>
<p>Hope that helps answer some of the questions, as I understand the situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Sims</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/31/everybodys-a-criminal-now/#comment-251958</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Sims</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 13:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/31/everybodys-a-criminal-now/#comment-251958</guid>
		<description>Sounds to me like the RIAA doesn't have enough to do, and we all know about "job security" don't we.  Is this another witch hunt, or what?  Go figure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds to me like the RIAA doesn&#8217;t have enough to do, and we all know about &#8220;job security&#8221; don&#8217;t we.  Is this another witch hunt, or what?  Go figure.</p>
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		<title>By: Zack</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/31/everybodys-a-criminal-now/#comment-251435</link>
		<dc:creator>Zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 00:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/31/everybodys-a-criminal-now/#comment-251435</guid>
		<description>Thanks for clearing that up everyone...You'd think I of all people would know that! lol I know somethings work differnt in Southern Gospel music. I knew that was how it worked in the big world but wasn't for sure on everything else!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for clearing that up everyone&#8230;You&#8217;d think I of all people would know that! lol I know somethings work differnt in Southern Gospel music. I knew that was how it worked in the big world but wasn&#8217;t for sure on everything else!</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/31/everybodys-a-criminal-now/#comment-251240</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 20:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2007/12/31/everybodys-a-criminal-now/#comment-251240</guid>
		<description>Radio stations pay for broadcast licenses which allow them to legally broadcast songs (or at least, they're supposed to).</description>
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