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	<title>Comments on: Spring Hill and Jason Crabb</title>
	<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/02/16/spring-hill-and-jason-crabb/</link>
	<description>Criticism and commentary on southern gospel music</description>
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		<title>By: Betty Strawcutter</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/02/16/spring-hill-and-jason-crabb/#comment-901459</link>
		<dc:creator>Betty Strawcutter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 00:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2008/02/16/spring-hill-and-jason-crabb/#comment-901459</guid>
		<description>I just found this site and I have to say that I have gained some insights and engaged in some "laughs" at the comments posted here.  I'm a Christian (holiness-pentecostal brand) and I would like to humbly make this observation.  Pentecostals listen to and purchase gospel music from various groups and soloists.  It is the music and the message that we are drawn to, not whether the group is baptist, holiness-pentecostal or oneness-pentecostal.  Maybe we could all enjoy the gift of music - whether it comes from Jason Crabb at Spring Hill or a roster of artists at other companies. Let's just magnify the Lord!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just found this site and I have to say that I have gained some insights and engaged in some &#8220;laughs&#8221; at the comments posted here.  I&#8217;m a Christian (holiness-pentecostal brand) and I would like to humbly make this observation.  Pentecostals listen to and purchase gospel music from various groups and soloists.  It is the music and the message that we are drawn to, not whether the group is baptist, holiness-pentecostal or oneness-pentecostal.  Maybe we could all enjoy the gift of music - whether it comes from Jason Crabb at Spring Hill or a roster of artists at other companies. Let&#8217;s just magnify the Lord!</p>
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		<title>By: GospelMusicFan</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/02/16/spring-hill-and-jason-crabb/#comment-330933</link>
		<dc:creator>GospelMusicFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 13:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2008/02/16/spring-hill-and-jason-crabb/#comment-330933</guid>
		<description>I really  like the thought process of poster
#28.
I do not see the difference between a local Christian focus business and a national Christian focus business.
Delegating responsibilities and make sound business decisions in your business translates into being good stewards of what God has given you.
Your time is an asset to your financial stability.
Staying in God's business means watching the bottom line.
Nothing wrong with making money in a Christian business when you keep you focus on the message of Jesus Christ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really  like the thought process of poster<br />
#28.<br />
I do not see the difference between a local Christian focus business and a national Christian focus business.<br />
Delegating responsibilities and make sound business decisions in your business translates into being good stewards of what God has given you.<br />
Your time is an asset to your financial stability.<br />
Staying in God&#8217;s business means watching the bottom line.<br />
Nothing wrong with making money in a Christian business when you keep you focus on the message of Jesus Christ.</p>
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		<title>By: wackythinker</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/02/16/spring-hill-and-jason-crabb/#comment-329760</link>
		<dc:creator>wackythinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2008/02/16/spring-hill-and-jason-crabb/#comment-329760</guid>
		<description>Former -- I know another former Spring Hill employee who told that, in the 3 years he worked there, Bill never made an appearance.  Even if Bill was there, but never walked around to say "hi" to the peons, it could make you feel like the red-headed step child.

You're right, though, about the economics of the Christian music bidness.  That's exactly why you see little or no s/g coming from the 3 major labels you mentioned.  And since they are owned by major secular entertainment companies, the artists and sales &#38; marketing people can tell you it's still about ministry, but the owners (if honest) will tell you it's about profits.  Like most corporations, it's whatever gives the stock holders the biggest return on their investment.

And that's the way it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Former &#8212; I know another former Spring Hill employee who told that, in the 3 years he worked there, Bill never made an appearance.  Even if Bill was there, but never walked around to say &#8220;hi&#8221; to the peons, it could make you feel like the red-headed step child.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, though, about the economics of the Christian music bidness.  That&#8217;s exactly why you see little or no s/g coming from the 3 major labels you mentioned.  And since they are owned by major secular entertainment companies, the artists and sales &amp; marketing people can tell you it&#8217;s still about ministry, but the owners (if honest) will tell you it&#8217;s about profits.  Like most corporations, it&#8217;s whatever gives the stock holders the biggest return on their investment.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s the way it is.</p>
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		<title>By: FormerSpringHillGuy</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/02/16/spring-hill-and-jason-crabb/#comment-324230</link>
		<dc:creator>FormerSpringHillGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2008/02/16/spring-hill-and-jason-crabb/#comment-324230</guid>
		<description>As a former Spring Hill employee most of these posts are just assumptions.  You did not work on the inside of the company and have no idea of how the company is run.

Just because an artist is on Spring Hill did not mean that the artist was automatically a Homecoming artist, although most were on the videos not all were on the regular tour.

Furthermore from what I understood the reason why they left Southern Gospel was to be more profitable thus going more towards Praise and Worship and Christian Rock.  When I was at the label the sales figures from Sound Scan did not lie.  Scott Krippayne, Wayne Watson, Al Denson and several others sold more units than most SG releases outside of the Gaither Vocal Band and The Martins.

Also it was very rare to see Mr. Gaither at the company.  He did come to the offices but that might have been once or twice per year.  While I am involved in Southern Gospel Music I think from what I have seen that Spring Hill does not even involve themselves in Southern Gospel any longer.  I could be wrong but most likely the Jason Crabb release would not even tend to be anything like we have heard his music from the past.

When talking profits, if a SG artist sells 10,000 units in one year on a project they would be considered to have done well.  Do that in Secular say like for Sony, Curb, MCA or others or maybe in CCM say like for Provident, Word or Sparrow you would not be invited back next year.  We all need to have the priority that we are in this for ministry, but keep in mind you also have to manage your business.  

Put $20,000 dollars into a SG recording.  Then sell the recording to the artist for $2 per unit.  The artist only orders 2000 and you only sell 1000 units to retail.  You do the math</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former Spring Hill employee most of these posts are just assumptions.  You did not work on the inside of the company and have no idea of how the company is run.</p>
<p>Just because an artist is on Spring Hill did not mean that the artist was automatically a Homecoming artist, although most were on the videos not all were on the regular tour.</p>
<p>Furthermore from what I understood the reason why they left Southern Gospel was to be more profitable thus going more towards Praise and Worship and Christian Rock.  When I was at the label the sales figures from Sound Scan did not lie.  Scott Krippayne, Wayne Watson, Al Denson and several others sold more units than most SG releases outside of the Gaither Vocal Band and The Martins.</p>
<p>Also it was very rare to see Mr. Gaither at the company.  He did come to the offices but that might have been once or twice per year.  While I am involved in Southern Gospel Music I think from what I have seen that Spring Hill does not even involve themselves in Southern Gospel any longer.  I could be wrong but most likely the Jason Crabb release would not even tend to be anything like we have heard his music from the past.</p>
<p>When talking profits, if a SG artist sells 10,000 units in one year on a project they would be considered to have done well.  Do that in Secular say like for Sony, Curb, MCA or others or maybe in CCM say like for Provident, Word or Sparrow you would not be invited back next year.  We all need to have the priority that we are in this for ministry, but keep in mind you also have to manage your business.  </p>
<p>Put $20,000 dollars into a SG recording.  Then sell the recording to the artist for $2 per unit.  The artist only orders 2000 and you only sell 1000 units to retail.  You do the math</p>
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		<title>By: philo</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/02/16/spring-hill-and-jason-crabb/#comment-318265</link>
		<dc:creator>philo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2008/02/16/spring-hill-and-jason-crabb/#comment-318265</guid>
		<description>Tom#14 notwithstanding all that theological blinding by science gobblegook you can plainly see by Bill's inate grinning, out of sync dancing and general sycophantic reverence(when some of his heros are performing) the man's just downright gobsmacked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom#14 notwithstanding all that theological blinding by science gobblegook you can plainly see by Bill&#8217;s inate grinning, out of sync dancing and general sycophantic reverence(when some of his heros are performing) the man&#8217;s just downright gobsmacked.</p>
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		<title>By: Tori Taff</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/02/16/spring-hill-and-jason-crabb/#comment-314820</link>
		<dc:creator>Tori Taff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2008/02/16/spring-hill-and-jason-crabb/#comment-314820</guid>
		<description>Um...   #23, cynical one? Sadly, I AM a real smart aleck. I keep trying to pass it off as my ministry, but so far no one has offered to ordain me.  (In the spirit of Pamela Furr I actually started to say I was a real smart a**, but I reread that post got scared.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um&#8230;   #23, cynical one? Sadly, I AM a real smart aleck. I keep trying to pass it off as my ministry, but so far no one has offered to ordain me.  (In the spirit of Pamela Furr I actually started to say I was a real smart a**, but I reread that post got scared.)</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/02/16/spring-hill-and-jason-crabb/#comment-312517</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 03:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2008/02/16/spring-hill-and-jason-crabb/#comment-312517</guid>
		<description>I checked Jason's website today and on the press release it said that "gaither" signed jason...spring hill doesn't seem to be  the focus.  Now the link in the press release does mention spring hill, but its a release on the gaither site...but i'm sure its more about the gaither brand than springhill's distribution (which is under "new leadership").
Another thing i found quite amusing was a church that Jason is singing/ministering at soon...word for word "Flippin Church of God" Too many good punch lines in that alone. 

However, as a big Jason Crabb fan, i'm happy that he signed on with gaither...congrats jason!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I checked Jason&#8217;s website today and on the press release it said that &#8220;gaither&#8221; signed jason&#8230;spring hill doesn&#8217;t seem to be  the focus.  Now the link in the press release does mention spring hill, but its a release on the gaither site&#8230;but i&#8217;m sure its more about the gaither brand than springhill&#8217;s distribution (which is under &#8220;new leadership&#8221;).<br />
Another thing i found quite amusing was a church that Jason is singing/ministering at soon&#8230;word for word &#8220;Flippin Church of God&#8221; Too many good punch lines in that alone. </p>
<p>However, as a big Jason Crabb fan, i&#8217;m happy that he signed on with gaither&#8230;congrats jason!</p>
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		<title>By: BUICK</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/02/16/spring-hill-and-jason-crabb/#comment-312493</link>
		<dc:creator>BUICK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 03:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2008/02/16/spring-hill-and-jason-crabb/#comment-312493</guid>
		<description>Tom (#14) - WOW!!  And Thanks!!  I learned a tremendous amount from that post.  Some of that, I knew.  Much of it I did not.  And you put it all together in a comprehensible way.  I'm impressed (not that that matters); I am grateful (that might matter) and you have helped me understand where some of my Christian brothers and sisters are coming from (and I'm certain THAT matters, at least).  So thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom (#14) - WOW!!  And Thanks!!  I learned a tremendous amount from that post.  Some of that, I knew.  Much of it I did not.  And you put it all together in a comprehensible way.  I&#8217;m impressed (not that that matters); I am grateful (that might matter) and you have helped me understand where some of my Christian brothers and sisters are coming from (and I&#8217;m certain THAT matters, at least).  So thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: cynical one</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/02/16/spring-hill-and-jason-crabb/#comment-312231</link>
		<dc:creator>cynical one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2008/02/16/spring-hill-and-jason-crabb/#comment-312231</guid>
		<description>Steve - #22 -- You're right, it's difficult to read any letter, email, or blog, and know the tone the writer intended.  I'd much rather talk to a person on the phone or face-to-face, so I can get the inflections and nuances in their voice (or in person, their body language).  A prime example is the recent post by Torri Taff.  If you didn't know her, you might think either she was very serious in her reply to Doug about his "bobble head" joking, or a real smart aleck.  Same with the recent thread on Pamela Furr.  Had she made those same comments in person, she may not have offended NEARLY as many folks.  

In a psych course I took years ago, the prof made the comment you could call a person a liar (or worse) to their face, and get by with it, as long as you were laughing.  But if you had a scowl on your face, it would not be taken so well.

Aren't people strange?   

(That was said with a smile on my face, my tongue in my cheek, and 3 fingers pointing back to myself.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve - #22 &#8212; You&#8217;re right, it&#8217;s difficult to read any letter, email, or blog, and know the tone the writer intended.  I&#8217;d much rather talk to a person on the phone or face-to-face, so I can get the inflections and nuances in their voice (or in person, their body language).  A prime example is the recent post by Torri Taff.  If you didn&#8217;t know her, you might think either she was very serious in her reply to Doug about his &#8220;bobble head&#8221; joking, or a real smart aleck.  Same with the recent thread on Pamela Furr.  Had she made those same comments in person, she may not have offended NEARLY as many folks.  </p>
<p>In a psych course I took years ago, the prof made the comment you could call a person a liar (or worse) to their face, and get by with it, as long as you were laughing.  But if you had a scowl on your face, it would not be taken so well.</p>
<p>Aren&#8217;t people strange?   </p>
<p>(That was said with a smile on my face, my tongue in my cheek, and 3 fingers pointing back to myself.)</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/02/16/spring-hill-and-jason-crabb/#comment-312103</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom (#19)

Thanks for the reply.  Sometimes I read the posts in a tone that the author may not have intended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom (#19)</p>
<p>Thanks for the reply.  Sometimes I read the posts in a tone that the author may not have intended.</p>
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		<title>By: thom</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/02/16/spring-hill-and-jason-crabb/#comment-312045</link>
		<dc:creator>thom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 18:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2008/02/16/spring-hill-and-jason-crabb/#comment-312045</guid>
		<description>I agree that the motivating factor had to be sales potential.  Most of you have alluded to Spring Hill's recent struggles.  Signing Crabb as a new "headline" artist may be one way to get the label back on it's feet and to a profitable status. 

As for adding Crabb as a regular on the Homecoming tour - I don't see that happening.  It would probably help with the attendance and add to the longevity of the series by attracting younger fans, as has the whole EHSS phenomenon, (as contrived as it is),      But, I don't see much upshot for Crabb.  Does he really need the dates?  Maybe so, but I doubt it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the motivating factor had to be sales potential.  Most of you have alluded to Spring Hill&#8217;s recent struggles.  Signing Crabb as a new &#8220;headline&#8221; artist may be one way to get the label back on it&#8217;s feet and to a profitable status. </p>
<p>As for adding Crabb as a regular on the Homecoming tour - I don&#8217;t see that happening.  It would probably help with the attendance and add to the longevity of the series by attracting younger fans, as has the whole EHSS phenomenon, (as contrived as it is),      But, I don&#8217;t see much upshot for Crabb.  Does he really need the dates?  Maybe so, but I doubt it.</p>
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		<title>By: cynical one</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/02/16/spring-hill-and-jason-crabb/#comment-311855</link>
		<dc:creator>cynical one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#15 -- No, singing is not all they do in concert, and the fact that Bill &#38; Co. like Jason's singing is not the main factor.  Jim's comment was right:  "sales potential".

To paraphrase the apostle Paul, "By all means, that you might sell some."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#15 &#8212; No, singing is not all they do in concert, and the fact that Bill &amp; Co. like Jason&#8217;s singing is not the main factor.  Jim&#8217;s comment was right:  &#8220;sales potential&#8221;.</p>
<p>To paraphrase the apostle Paul, &#8220;By all means, that you might sell some.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/02/16/spring-hill-and-jason-crabb/#comment-311834</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve (#17):

Sorry if it sounded condescending.  No condescension was intended, only a vigorous argument on a level playing field in good academic fashion (a format with which Avery should be familiar).

There're lots of things I don't know, either.  And many times I learn from Avery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve (#17):</p>
<p>Sorry if it sounded condescending.  No condescension was intended, only a vigorous argument on a level playing field in good academic fashion (a format with which Avery should be familiar).</p>
<p>There&#8217;re lots of things I don&#8217;t know, either.  And many times I learn from Avery.</p>
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		<title>By: CVH</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/02/16/spring-hill-and-jason-crabb/#comment-311713</link>
		<dc:creator>CVH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2008/02/16/spring-hill-and-jason-crabb/#comment-311713</guid>
		<description>Tom (#14),

Very well put.  Good analysis.  I agree with your 'bottom line'; Gaither doesn't really need to try and expand into every nuance of the evangelical subculture.  He already has enough penetration and exploring the sales potential of sub-genres probably wouldn't be worth the time it would take to develop.  His broad-brush approach, albeit with the politically-correct hat tips to various strains of evangelicalism, is working well.  So with signing and developing any artist, the question is, will it sell?

I agree with most of the comments on Spring Hill.  They've had a split personality for years all the while putting out some very good product.  I can only hope SH redevelops into a viable label with a clearly defined mission and the resources to back it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom (#14),</p>
<p>Very well put.  Good analysis.  I agree with your &#8216;bottom line&#8217;; Gaither doesn&#8217;t really need to try and expand into every nuance of the evangelical subculture.  He already has enough penetration and exploring the sales potential of sub-genres probably wouldn&#8217;t be worth the time it would take to develop.  His broad-brush approach, albeit with the politically-correct hat tips to various strains of evangelicalism, is working well.  So with signing and developing any artist, the question is, will it sell?</p>
<p>I agree with most of the comments on Spring Hill.  They&#8217;ve had a split personality for years all the while putting out some very good product.  I can only hope SH redevelops into a viable label with a clearly defined mission and the resources to back it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/02/16/spring-hill-and-jason-crabb/#comment-311683</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2008/02/16/spring-hill-and-jason-crabb/#comment-311683</guid>
		<description>Tom (#14)

Thank you for pointing out the conflation between the holiness and pentecostal tradition.  I also appreciate how willing you 
are to point out Doug's "confusion."  Please keep your condescending posts coming.  It's snowy and cold here and we need more hot air.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom (#14)</p>
<p>Thank you for pointing out the conflation between the holiness and pentecostal tradition.  I also appreciate how willing you<br />
are to point out Doug&#8217;s &#8220;confusion.&#8221;  Please keep your condescending posts coming.  It&#8217;s snowy and cold here and we need more hot air.</p>
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