Comments on: SG Political roundup http://averyfineline.com/2008/03/20/sg-political-roundup/ Criticism and commentary on southern gospel music Wed, 23 May 2012 10:59:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3 By: Eddie Estes http://averyfineline.com/2008/03/20/sg-political-roundup/#comment-367274 Eddie Estes Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:29:15 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/03/20/sg-political-roundup/#comment-367274 My first time posting here. Sex is primarily the way that humans reproduce. The fact that it is pleasurable was God's way of making sure that mankind reprouced themselves. Two men cannot have a child with each other neither can two women. It is not possible. I am not talking about medical meddling into this. I am talking naturally. So if God designed men for women and women for men it seems that logically he would not have a high opinion of being homosexual. My first time posting here.
Sex is primarily the way that humans reproduce.
The fact that it is pleasurable was God’s way of making sure that mankind reprouced themselves.
Two men cannot have a child with each other neither can two women. It is not possible.
I am not talking about medical meddling into this. I am talking naturally. So if God designed men for women and women for men it seems that logically he would not have a high opinion of being homosexual.

]]> By: SG Fan http://averyfineline.com/2008/03/20/sg-political-roundup/#comment-360623 SG Fan Wed, 26 Mar 2008 05:14:54 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/03/20/sg-political-roundup/#comment-360623 # 42 Rick: I really hate to open this can of worms, but I guess I will anyway. Is homosexuality a choice in the sense of oneday waking up and deciding to be gay? No! But no one wakes up and decides to be an acoholic either. It happens usually gradually over time as a result of decisions made. I do believe that we as human beings have predispositions that effect who we are. There are some people who become alcoholics very easily, while others do not. That does not make what they are doing right or acceptable. I hear this from gay people very ofter, "Why can't you accept me for who I am?" My question is, Why can't you accept youself for who God made you? If you are man, your companion is woman. If you are woman, your companion is man. Calling homosexuality wrong is Biblical. There is nothing self-righteous about pointing to sin as long as we are willing to accept the fact that we too have the predisposition to sin. That is a trait that we are born with, the predisposition to sin. But that does not mean that we should live in it. Do I believe you woke up one morning and said, I think I'll be gay? No. Do I think that at some point you let that predisposition to that particular sin start controlling your life? Yes. There are many that have come out of that lifestyle. Donnie McClurkin is an example. I actually know a few myself that God has delivered and they are happier than they ever were. I think part of the reason you and others are so defensive is you are just trying to justify your sin instead of allowing God to deliver you from it. It is a form of trying to cover up the shame that sin brings along with it. You feel that if you can make it something not of your choosing, then it will be alright. I hate to tell you, that will not happen. That sense of "not complete" and "shame" is an emptyness that can only be filled by God. I am sorry if you don't like what I have to say, I just speak the truth. You did post on a website that is read by a mostly Christian readership. If you don't appreciate people speaking out against homosexuality, then don't visit places that have Christian perspectives. After all, as long as you are vocal, you make it an issue of civil rights or rights to free speech. As soon as a Christian becomes vocal, it is labeled intollerance. As long as you try to justify your behavior, you will feel the way you do. However, if you seek God first, you will be delivered from even the sinful lifestyle of homosexuality. # 42 Rick:
I really hate to open this can of worms, but I guess I will anyway. Is homosexuality a choice in the sense of oneday waking up and deciding to be gay? No! But no one wakes up and decides to be an acoholic either. It happens usually gradually over time as a result of decisions made. I do believe that we as human beings have predispositions that effect who we are. There are some people who become alcoholics very easily, while others do not. That does not make what they are doing right or acceptable. I hear this from gay people very ofter, “Why can’t you accept me for who I am?” My question is, Why can’t you accept youself for who God made you? If you are man, your companion is woman. If you are woman, your companion is man. Calling homosexuality wrong is Biblical. There is nothing self-righteous about pointing to sin as long as we are willing to accept the fact that we too have the predisposition to sin. That is a trait that we are born with, the predisposition to sin. But that does not mean that we should live in it. Do I believe you woke up one morning and said, I think I’ll be gay? No. Do I think that at some point you let that predisposition to that particular sin start controlling your life? Yes. There are many that have come out of that lifestyle. Donnie McClurkin is an example. I actually know a few myself that God has delivered and they are happier than they ever were. I think part of the reason you and others are so defensive is you are just trying to justify your sin instead of allowing God to deliver you from it. It is a form of trying to cover up the shame that sin brings along with it. You feel that if you can make it something not of your choosing, then it will be alright. I hate to tell you, that will not happen. That sense of “not complete” and “shame” is an emptyness that can only be filled by God. I am sorry if you don’t like what I have to say, I just speak the truth. You did post on a website that is read by a mostly Christian readership. If you don’t appreciate people speaking out against homosexuality, then don’t visit places that have Christian perspectives. After all, as long as you are vocal, you make it an issue of civil rights or rights to free speech. As soon as a Christian becomes vocal, it is labeled intollerance. As long as you try to justify your behavior, you will feel the way you do. However, if you seek God first, you will be delivered from even the sinful lifestyle of homosexuality.

]]> By: Rick http://averyfineline.com/2008/03/20/sg-political-roundup/#comment-360482 Rick Wed, 26 Mar 2008 01:56:13 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/03/20/sg-political-roundup/#comment-360482 Re:#14: Trent, the word "lifestyle" suggests that homosexuality is a fad or fashion that one chooses to put on or off. No gay person I have ever personally known chose to be gay, including myself. It is as much a part of who I am as my eye color or my height. It is a part of my life, not a "lifestyle." Your calling it vile and wicked and wrong is, at the least, not very helpful. Actually, it is hateful and reeks of self-righteousness. Re:#14: Trent, the word “lifestyle” suggests that homosexuality is a fad or fashion that one chooses to put on or off.
No gay person I have ever personally known chose to be gay, including myself.
It is as much a part of who I am as my eye color or my height. It is a part of my life, not a “lifestyle.” Your calling it vile and wicked and wrong is, at the least, not very helpful. Actually, it is hateful and reeks of self-righteousness.

]]> By: Faith http://averyfineline.com/2008/03/20/sg-political-roundup/#comment-360265 Faith Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:25:56 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/03/20/sg-political-roundup/#comment-360265 I know most of the liberals on this site will become rabid when they read this, but Glenn Beck really knows what he is talking about. And he doesn't just criticize Democrats; he states his issues with Conservatives too. And he ALWAYS has experts in whatever field backing him up; he doesn't just say something crazy and expect you to believe it. Hagee? I don't know, I think he has a lot of good points and he means well...but everytime I hear him, I feel like he is yelling at me. He always sounds angry. I know most of the liberals on this site will become rabid when they read this, but Glenn Beck really knows what he is talking about. And he doesn’t just criticize Democrats; he states his issues with Conservatives too. And he ALWAYS has experts in whatever field backing him up; he doesn’t just say something crazy and expect you to believe it.

Hagee? I don’t know, I think he has a lot of good points and he means well…but everytime I hear him, I feel like he is yelling at me. He always sounds angry.

]]> By: SG Fan http://averyfineline.com/2008/03/20/sg-political-roundup/#comment-360180 SG Fan Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:27:17 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/03/20/sg-political-roundup/#comment-360180 # 39 Bush had been in office for a little over 7 months. An attack of that magnitude had to have been in the planning for several years, probably since the first World Trade Center attack which failed to do as much destruction as the terrorist had hoped. That was years earlier. I also look at the actions following each attack. When the attacks happened in Clinton's presidency, they were just strongly condemed, kind of like telling a two year old he's been bad. When the attacks happened on 9-11-01, Bush set out to not only punish, but keep it from happening ever again. As far as raising taxes, the war can continue to be fought without raising taxes. Congress will just have to quit spending so much on useless entitlement programs that are doing more to harm than help. These programs cost us far more than the war has and if you subscribe to the idea of "Universal Healthcare" presented by your Democrat friends, it will make the budget for the war look rather small. It is my opinion that the govenments main role is to protect us from those that would want to harm us, not basically run our lives and redistibute our wealth so everyone lives the same. As far as your accusation to the President "lied our way into" the war, show me some proof. He saw the same intelligence that Congress saw, and they voted to authorize the war. Only when public opinion start changing did many in congress (mostly Demorcrats)start changing their minds, all for political gain. CNN and NPR are far from fair and balanced. I have watched, but I also do research. I would suggest you do the same instead of believing everything you hear on either of these "balanced" channels. I'm sorry, but I don't see much truth in your statements, merely a filtered opinion. # 39
Bush had been in office for a little over 7 months. An attack of that magnitude had to have been in the planning for several years, probably since the first World Trade Center attack which failed to do as much destruction as the terrorist had hoped. That was years earlier. I also look at the actions following each attack. When the attacks happened in Clinton’s presidency, they were just strongly condemed, kind of like telling a two year old he’s been bad. When the attacks happened on 9-11-01, Bush set out to not only punish, but keep it from happening ever again. As far as raising taxes, the war can continue to be fought without raising taxes. Congress will just have to quit spending so much on useless entitlement programs that are doing more to harm than help. These programs cost us far more than the war has and if you subscribe to the idea of “Universal Healthcare” presented by your Democrat friends, it will make the budget for the war look rather small. It is my opinion that the govenments main role is to protect us from those that would want to harm us, not basically run our lives and redistibute our wealth so everyone lives the same. As far as your accusation to the President “lied our way into” the war, show me some proof. He saw the same intelligence that Congress saw, and they voted to authorize the war. Only when public opinion start changing did many in congress (mostly Demorcrats)start changing their minds, all for political gain. CNN and NPR are far from fair and balanced. I have watched, but I also do research. I would suggest you do the same instead of believing everything you hear on either of these “balanced” channels. I’m sorry, but I don’t see much truth in your statements, merely a filtered opinion.

]]> By: wackythinker http://averyfineline.com/2008/03/20/sg-political-roundup/#comment-360153 wackythinker Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:17:58 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/03/20/sg-political-roundup/#comment-360153 As for Hagee, I don't see much LOVE being preached from his pulpit. Yes, we need to hate sin, but I don't see a lot of love for people being shown. And 2 sins you won't hear him preach on: Gluttonny and adultery. Why? Guilty on both counts. As for SG Fan's remarks about the presidency and the country's political future: Although the 9/11 attacks had it's roots during the Clinton administration, they happened W's watch. I believe that makes him just as responsible as any of his predecessors. Fair and balanced news CAN be found on most of the major tv and radio news outlet, if you listen consistently. CNN and NPR are not as liberally biased as many think. I've heard several reporters lately giving reports that support Bush's talking points, and being critical of some of the liberal perspectives. Listen more closely. And watch Glenn Beck on Headline News. Raise taxes? ANY new administration is going to have to raise taxes to pay for this war our current president lied our way into. And the next president, whatever affiliation, will have trouble pulling our troops out, without causing major upheaval. I wish my statements were not true, but I'm afraid they are. As for Hagee, I don’t see much LOVE being preached from his pulpit. Yes, we need to hate sin, but I don’t see a lot of love for people being shown. And 2 sins you won’t hear him preach on: Gluttonny and adultery. Why? Guilty on both counts.

As for SG Fan’s remarks about the presidency and the country’s political future: Although the 9/11 attacks had it’s roots during the Clinton administration, they happened W’s watch. I believe that makes him just as responsible as any of his predecessors.

Fair and balanced news CAN be found on most of the major tv and radio news outlet, if you listen consistently. CNN and NPR are not as liberally biased as many think. I’ve heard several reporters lately giving reports that support Bush’s talking points, and being critical of some of the liberal perspectives. Listen more closely. And watch Glenn Beck on Headline News.

Raise taxes? ANY new administration is going to have to raise taxes to pay for this war our current president lied our way into. And the next president, whatever affiliation, will have trouble pulling our troops out, without causing major upheaval.

I wish my statements were not true, but I’m afraid they are.

]]> By: LW http://averyfineline.com/2008/03/20/sg-political-roundup/#comment-359480 LW Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:39:11 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/03/20/sg-political-roundup/#comment-359480 Well said #28. It seems that today people want the "Blessings" of being a Christian but live like a sinner. Now as far as the Presidential Race is concerned, we Christians and Christian Leaders need to take a stand for our country and back the person we want to win. As far as this web site goes and what is put here to debate I often wonder if it is being written by someone who even believes in Christ and His Word. It seems those of us who do are simply made fun of. But thats okay. They made fun of Jesus too. Well said #28. It seems that today people want the “Blessings” of being a Christian but live like a sinner. Now as far as the Presidential Race is concerned, we Christians and Christian Leaders need to take a stand for our country and back the person we want to win.
As far as this web site goes and what is put here to debate I often wonder if it is being written by someone who even believes in Christ and His Word. It seems those of us who do are simply made fun of. But thats okay. They made fun of Jesus too.

]]> By: quartet-man http://averyfineline.com/2008/03/20/sg-political-roundup/#comment-359421 quartet-man Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:42:53 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/03/20/sg-political-roundup/#comment-359421 I think those who are intolerant of our Christian beliefs are Christianaphobic. ;-) I think those who are intolerant of our Christian beliefs are Christianaphobic. ;-)

]]> By: SG Fan http://averyfineline.com/2008/03/20/sg-political-roundup/#comment-359371 SG Fan Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:50:36 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/03/20/sg-political-roundup/#comment-359371 #32 Since you addressed my post, I will respond. I said in my post that I do not always agree with Hagee, however, I would not go and call him crazy. The point that was being argued was not whether or not I agree with him, but whether his endorsment was equal to the support of Obama to a radical, anti-American, and might I add racist pastor that he has supported for nearly 20 years. Another observation, you would have to be a little left leaning to agree with Doug's comments in this particular blog. Finally, I'm sure if you were to site examples of how Bush has been a "disaster" for evangelicals, I could site examples of how he has been good. Again, I have not agreed with everything, but here are the facts: 1. He has kept us safe. No attacks have happened on our soil since 9-11-01. There have been many attempts. For those who point to the Clinton years, even if you reject the idea that 9-11-01 fell into his watch, there were the first World Trade Center bombing and the Oklahoma City bombing that serve as quick examples and reminders. 2. His approval rating may be low, but the Democratic led congress has an even lower approval rating. 3. The fact remains that if you want an objective and non-biased view on where things actually stand, you can not get it from main stream media. The main stream media will almost always be very much to the left, liberal point of view. Here is an outline of what you can expect with either Obama or Clinton getting into the White House. 1. Tax increases- to pay for the mammoth programs that they are proposing, it is a certainty that taxes will go up significantly. 2. Decline in healthcare- if there is a universal healthcare system, the quality of the care will go down. Take a look at the UK for an example. Secondly, why would anyone trust the goverment to run health care if they can't get these other issues right. The health care system would become a complete mess. 3. Higher taxes will lead to more bankruptcy and foreclosure cases than we have even at this point. The cost of living has went up pretty dramatically due to the rapid rise in oil prices. Many families that are stable today would meet financial ruin if taxes take a higher percentage of their income. When I look at these issues, I think the picture becomes pretty clear. It is time Washington goes on a budget and quits spending like they just won the lottery. If Clinton or Obama get in, spending will only increase. In general, the larger the goverment, the more they spend. The smaller the goverment, the less they spend. #32
Since you addressed my post, I will respond. I said in my post that I do not always agree with Hagee, however, I would not go and call him crazy. The point that was being argued was not whether or not I agree with him, but whether his endorsment was equal to the support of Obama to a radical, anti-American, and might I add racist pastor that he has supported for nearly 20 years. Another observation, you would have to be a little left leaning to agree with Doug’s comments in this particular blog. Finally, I’m sure if you were to site examples of how Bush has been a “disaster” for evangelicals, I could site examples of how he has been good. Again, I have not agreed with everything, but here are the facts:
1. He has kept us safe. No attacks have happened on our soil since 9-11-01. There have been many attempts. For those who point to the Clinton years, even if you reject the idea that 9-11-01 fell into his watch, there were the first World Trade Center bombing and the Oklahoma City bombing that serve as quick examples and reminders.
2. His approval rating may be low, but the Democratic led congress has an even lower approval rating.
3. The fact remains that if you want an objective and non-biased view on where things actually stand, you can not get it from main stream media. The main stream media will almost always be very much to the left, liberal point of view.
Here is an outline of what you can expect with either Obama or Clinton getting into the White House.
1. Tax increases- to pay for the mammoth programs that they are proposing, it is a certainty that taxes will go up significantly.
2. Decline in healthcare- if there is a universal healthcare system, the quality of the care will go down. Take a look at the UK for an example. Secondly, why would anyone trust the goverment to run health care if they can’t get these other issues right. The health care system would become a complete mess.
3. Higher taxes will lead to more bankruptcy and foreclosure cases than we have even at this point. The cost of living has went up pretty dramatically due to the rapid rise in oil prices. Many families that are stable today would meet financial ruin if taxes take a higher percentage of their income.

When I look at these issues, I think the picture becomes pretty clear. It is time Washington goes on a budget and quits spending like they just won the lottery. If Clinton or Obama get in, spending will only increase. In general, the larger the goverment, the more they spend. The smaller the goverment, the less they spend.

]]> By: apathetic http://averyfineline.com/2008/03/20/sg-political-roundup/#comment-359255 apathetic Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:16:03 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/03/20/sg-political-roundup/#comment-359255 As some others have stated in this thread, sin is sin. Whether it is lying, stealing, or poking the Oscar Meijer into the fudge factory. Sin is sin and it will not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. So, I guess God is "intolerant" too. Who said that being "intolerant" was a bad thing? There is no "Fair Housing Act" in Heaven. Sometimes I think people, equate being open minded to being intelligent. There is no relationship there. Some also relate having a strict conservative or "narrow minded" view to lack of intelligence. Again, no relationship there either. Remember, narrow is the path. Don't be so open minded your brains fall out. As some others have stated in this thread, sin is sin. Whether it is lying, stealing, or poking the Oscar Meijer into the fudge factory. Sin is sin and it will not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. So, I guess God is “intolerant” too. Who said that being “intolerant” was a bad thing? There is no “Fair Housing Act” in Heaven.

Sometimes I think people, equate being open minded to being intelligent. There is no relationship there. Some also relate having a strict conservative or “narrow minded” view to lack of intelligence. Again, no relationship there either. Remember, narrow is the path.

Don’t be so open minded your brains fall out.

]]> By: Ted http://averyfineline.com/2008/03/20/sg-political-roundup/#comment-359185 Ted Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:39:02 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/03/20/sg-political-roundup/#comment-359185 While I am a conservative, I do not like mixing partisan politics with the pulpit. You see very little of it in Canada. While I am a conservative, I do not like mixing partisan politics with the pulpit. You see very little of it in Canada.

]]> By: quartet-man http://averyfineline.com/2008/03/20/sg-political-roundup/#comment-359183 quartet-man Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:38:38 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/03/20/sg-political-roundup/#comment-359183 #31 Glenn, of course scripture gets qouted. Are we all not supposed to strive to live His way? Is not scripture the inspired word of God? Is it not supposed to be the source of instruction and tell us right and wrong? If anything, it is the ones who make accusations such as intolerant, homophobic, hateful, holier than thou and the like who attempt to stifle discussion. Since they cannot really argue against the word of God they have to make it personal and attempt to shoot and discredit the messenger. One of the biggest problems we have in the U.S. now is people thinking they are smarter than God. #31 Glenn, of course scripture gets qouted. Are we all not supposed to strive to live His way? Is not scripture the inspired word of God? Is it not supposed to be the source of instruction and tell us right and wrong? If anything, it is the ones who make accusations such as intolerant, homophobic, hateful, holier than thou and the like who attempt to stifle discussion. Since they cannot really argue against the word of God they have to make it personal and attempt to shoot and discredit the messenger. One of the biggest problems we have in the U.S. now is people thinking they are smarter than God.

]]> By: RDB http://averyfineline.com/2008/03/20/sg-political-roundup/#comment-359041 RDB Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:18:47 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/03/20/sg-political-roundup/#comment-359041 I'm not quite a leftie but I agree with Doug. #1, Hagee may very well have "done more to advance the kingdom of God than this website" - but he's also crazy. Crazy crazy crazy. I'll say it again - crazy crazy crazy. I don't think his recent remarks on Jesus Messiahship really fit in with orthodox Christian belief any more than those liberals who don't think Jesus was divine. I think the George Bush experiment has been a disaster for evangelicals. This is what we get when the religious right chooses a president? Time for a loonie leftwinger methinks. So shoot me I’m not quite a leftie but I agree with Doug.

#1, Hagee may very well have “done more to advance the kingdom of God than this website” - but he’s also crazy. Crazy crazy crazy. I’ll say it again - crazy crazy crazy. I don’t think his recent remarks on Jesus Messiahship really fit in with orthodox Christian belief any more than those liberals who don’t think Jesus was divine.

I think the George Bush experiment has been a disaster for evangelicals. This is what we get when the religious right chooses a president? Time for a loonie leftwinger methinks.

So shoot me

]]> By: Glenn http://averyfineline.com/2008/03/20/sg-political-roundup/#comment-358357 Glenn Mon, 24 Mar 2008 05:39:48 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/03/20/sg-political-roundup/#comment-358357 AS doug said in one of his prior posts "Almost every comments thread here gets hijacked at some point by people quoting scripture or preaching mini-sermons in ways clearly meant to function as conversation-stoppers." AS doug said in one of his prior posts “Almost every comments thread here gets hijacked at some point by people quoting scripture or preaching mini-sermons in ways clearly meant to function as conversation-stoppers.”

]]> By: Tim http://averyfineline.com/2008/03/20/sg-political-roundup/#comment-358279 Tim Mon, 24 Mar 2008 04:48:26 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/03/20/sg-political-roundup/#comment-358279 Faith, You're a blessing! I wish more or the Body of Christ were truly after God's own heart. Great clarity in your post - thank you. You said it so well. Glenn, Nobody posting here has said they "are better Christians than you" or that we "condone hating anyone". Where on earth did you come up with those ideas? Furthermore, I just want you to know that I sincerely believe that there IS forgiveness at the foot of the cross for WHATEVER sin one has committed. On a related note, I truly respect a certain very popular soloist/songwriter that's been in SG for a number of years who, not that long ago, came to grips with his need for Christ to help him battle the temptation of homosexuality. Did I EVER "hate" him? No. Did I ever think that I was "better than he"? No. Did I pray that God would forgive him and would daily be his strength against the temptations? Yes. True peace is only found in trying to live, like Faith said, how Jesus wants one to live. One cannot truly be happy if we give to Him less than our all. I pray that you know that peace. Faith, You’re a blessing! I wish more or the Body of Christ were truly after God’s own heart. Great clarity in your post - thank you. You said it so well.

Glenn, Nobody posting here has said they “are better Christians than you” or that we “condone hating anyone”. Where on earth did you come up with those ideas? Furthermore, I just want you to know that I sincerely believe that there IS forgiveness at the foot of the cross for WHATEVER sin one has committed. On a related note, I truly respect a certain very popular soloist/songwriter that’s been in SG for a number of years who, not that long ago, came to grips with his need for Christ to help him battle the temptation of homosexuality. Did I EVER “hate” him? No. Did I ever think that I was “better than he”? No. Did I pray that God would forgive him and would daily be his strength against the temptations? Yes.

True peace is only found in trying to live, like Faith said, how Jesus wants one to live. One cannot truly be happy if we give to Him less than our all. I pray that you know that peace.

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