Goodbye, Jason Waldroup

The announcement of Jason Waldrup’s Waldroup’s long-overdue departure from Greater Vision makes commenter Matthew looks downright prescient. Describing a recent GV concert, Matthew wrote of Waldroup:

He was barely featured in the concert, and, in my opinion, rightly so.

I’ll have more to say about all this later. For now, I’m on a writing deadline all week, so you’ll have to talk amongst yourselves.

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  1. quartet-man wrote:

    Wow, I hadn’t heard.

  2. Sissey wrote:

    So sorry to hear that Jason is leaving but I wish him the best. I wonder who will replace Jason. I bet Gerald will get a lot of applications for this position.

  3. Aaron Swain wrote:

    #1: It was just announced a few hours ago.

  4. Chris wrote:

    This is really too bad for gospel music. It’s been the same group for 13 years. Continuity is what SG lacks sorely.

    As far as Matthew’s message, you couldn’t be more wrong. From the very moment I met him 9 years ago, he’s been nothing but friendly to me and everyone I’ve ever seen him talk to. He probably didn’t look at you when he spoke. That’s him. You mistakenly took that as arrogance. You’re wrong. And for those who will say good riddance to an “under-talented” tenor, let me say, “2 time Favorite Tenor.” How many have you won?

  5. AG wrote:

    Jason is a great guy and a good friend. I wish him and his family the best in this decision - it could not have been easy. Matthew, you must have caught him on an off night; it can’t be easy to be on all the time especially with this decision looming over him.

    Doug…at least get the spelling of his last name right.

  6. Norm Graham wrote:

    #4 Nothing against Jason but I wouldn’t use Singing News fan favorites as the criteria for rating tenors or any other singers. Archie Watkins of the Inspirations has won favorite tenor 4 times but I don’t think that means he is twice as good as Jason.

  7. matthew wrote:

    As to Chris’ comment, I have not won any favourite tenor awards, as I am not even in the SG business. I do however, have music degrees, so I know somewhat of what I speak as to his vocal ability. My GV collection is limited to the Mark Trammell era, so I don’t know how Jason sounded in recordings. I only was commenting on the concert I took in. Again, I was not impressed with his abilities…..yes, it could’ve been an off night. Chris, you are right, he didn’t really look at me when I was talking to him. I felt somewhat uncomfortable talking with him, compared to my discussion with Frank Seamans, who did have eye contact, and gave me the time of day……everybody has different gifts. Maybe Jason prefers to be on stage, and not talking at the record table.

  8. Richie wrote:

    13 years ago when Chris Allman left GV, I was quite upset and felt the deck would be stacked against whomever took his place. My first impression of Jason Waldroup’s voice was a “nothing special” attitude. However, for 13 years he has proved me and his crtics, many of whom solve Southern Gospel’s problems from there computer on this site, wrong. The thing those people fail to realize is who Jason really is. I’ve sat with him in his home, more than once, and heard his heart. The heart of one of the most humble men I’ve ever known. Arrogant? Not even close. Jason, fully aware of his critics, faced them for 13 years. Not only faced them, but won favorite tenor twice. How many of us would have the determination and strength to face the continued ridicule he has faced. I am amazed how one’s preception couldn’t be more wrong. This is a sad day for all true Southern Gospel Music fans, maybe not for the critics. “Long-overdue departure”? Wrong again. Not long enough for me. Jason will be missed. God bless, my friend.

    Richie
    “Goat-Face”

  9. Dave Holder wrote:

    I am interested in why this was “long overdue.”

  10. WhoamI wrote:

    Sounds like Gerald feels as if he’ll hire somebody who is not necessarily a proven name based on the information in the press release. It talks about how that Jason may stay on with the group for a while to help train in the replacement. Based on that, it wouldn’t see as if they’ll likely be hiring a proven tenor. Somebody who is already in the business wouldn’t like need that extensive of a training process.

    Good luck to Jason and GV.

  11. Norm wrote:

    I hate to see Jason leave GV. He has helped establish their distinctive sound over the last 13 years. And, Matthew, I think Jason has been having vocal problems. I noticed at the last few concerts I attended that his voice sounded worn and not at all like his former sound. If that is the case, it puts him in a tough position. SG isn’t a big enough genre (thank God!) to have local volunteer staff manning the tables, so the artists take their time to be back at the table to talk with, laugh with, and assist the fans. If you’re having vocal trouble it wears on your voice. Especially when you’re singing the high notes. I did notice in the last few concerts that Jason seemed rather subdued. I don’t think it had anything to do with “arrogance”. The vocal trouble was taking it’s toll. It’s tough to laugh and talk with gusto when you’re trying to figure out how you’re going to make it through the rest of the concert.

    Maybe I’m way off base, but that’s my 2 cents worth.

  12. Seaton wrote:

    #11 - I’ve noticed that to at the last few concerts I attended of GV. It seemed as though Jason’s voice was strained and he was rarely featured. I wonder if that had anything to do with his decision. If so, I am sure it has got to be hard for him to come off the road.

  13. just me wrote:

    I think Dallas Rogers ought to try out. Maybe he’ll get the job. He seems to like to hop groups here lately.

  14. Grigs wrote:

    Favorite Tenor Awards are so 1996. Bobble head dolls are what I judge tenors on now and only my favorite, Ernie Haase, has one!

    Seriously, I’ve liked Jason’s singing since I heard him do “Once And For All” and “I Don’t Wanna Go Back”. I’ll miss him. Greater Vision had a great run with him singing tenor.

  15. Rob wrote:

    I must concur with the ” vocal fatigue ” thought. I saw GV with L5 a week ago and heard the same problems #7 wrote about. Jason was shading pitches and did struggle. That said, he has been a big part of GV’s sound and blend,although, never a particularily powerful or high tenor. But GV’s sound has always been a lower pitched sound even when Chris Allman was tenor.

    I’m sure Gerald will find an more than adequate replacement, hopefully one that will stretch GV and bring about some change. They have become pedestrian in sound and project releases.

  16. Jim2 wrote:

    I had the privilege of meeting Jason 10 or 11 years ago after a breakfast at NQC, helping them haul sound equipment out to the trailer and was so impressed with his humility and genuineness. Nothing I have seen over the years has changed my first impression - he is a true gentleman and servant. I wish him the best in his next endeavor in the Lord’s service.
    If you haven’t already gotten the new “Hymns for the Ages” project through Charles Stanley’s ministry, it will be available in stores in a week (April 8th). This is a fully orchestrated album and the guys sound great. You will be blessed by these powerful hymns and hymn medleys sung in a straight-forward way.
    As a fan, I’ll miss Jason, but I know he’s carefully considered this next step and gotten good counsel - this is the way that changes in SG groups should be handled - with support and consideration on both sides. I’m encouraged to know that there are men like Gerald, Jason and Rodney in this industry who are not afraid to do the right thing and let God handle the outcome.

  17. Aaron Swain wrote:

    #12 and 15: I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought that Jason was displaying fatigue lately.

    #13: I think Gerald would rather have someone who’s gonna stay a while, rather than just make GV another stop on his “group hopping” tour.

  18. Music chick wrote:

    Jason Waldroup is the epitome of charm and poise in SG. I have always admired his easy spirit and kindness to everyone, especially as a young person. To go from auditioning in a stairwell to 13 years of one of the most solid ministries in SG is a testament to his, Gerald and Rodney’s walk and character. I do not believe that he is a tenor. . I believe he’s really a high lead. The vocal trouble would also explain the many GV stacks at NQC. I do, however, hate to see him go and hope that he will stay in the SG circle.

  19. cdguy wrote:

    I, too, question the “long-overdue” comment. GV in this configuation has had an unusually long, successful run.

    I saw them in January, and they sounded great, interacted with the crowd wonderfully, both on and off the stage. Great group of guys.

    Best wishes to Jason on this new chapter in his life.

  20. David Bruce Murray wrote:

    I’m not surprised that Doug referred to Jason’s leaving as “long-overdue.” Doug isn’t a huge fan of Rodney either.

    On the other hand, he does seem to appreciate the quality of Gerald’s singing and ability to win over an audience.

    I have an appreciation for the fact that this group has had just five members in their entire history during a period where most trios and quartets would have seen a group member change at least once a year if not more often.

    Yes, they’ve made the same CD over and over since _Far Beyond This Place_ with only a couple of notable exceptions (_Quartets_ and the Red Book series). I don’t think a change at the tenor position will affect their style significantly, though.

    Even though I’m the sort who loves to watch established groups try new things, I can see why they might be hesitant to shift away from an approach that is working so well for them. As long as GV remains a showcase for Griffin’s songwriting, I’m not sure that shifting considerably in a stylistic manner is even an option. They could get away from the orchestrated arrangements, perhaps, but the basic feel of his songs tend to sound the same.

  21. SGFAN65 wrote:

    HALLELUJAH !!

    I am so very glad to hear of Jason’s departure. I just never thought he fit in and he is a “strained” tenor at most. Hey Gerald - BRING BACK CHRIS ALLMAN !! or - a truer tenor singer.
    A new - quality tenor - will certainly allow Greater Vision to reach an ever greater level of quality - that I feel may have been hindered by the lack of (you fill in the space) in Jason’s voice. The ministry may very well be a better fit for him. I wish he and his family well. His wife is a FANTASTIC vocalist - and should be on the road with a group.

  22. thom wrote:

    Jason has been an integral part of the GV sound for over 12 years now and I have enjoyed the vocal blend.

    The 2 times I have seen them in concert in the last 12 months I was amazed at how Jason and Rodney just stand there and sing. They don’t talk, they make very few gestures, they just sing when told to sing. Jason at least smiled, while Rodney looked almost robotic. Maybe that’s they way they all preferred to do it, but I kept wondering when someone besides Gerald was going to say something.

    I thought it would be nice to hear Jason or Rodney tell a story or give a word of testimony but Gerald talked on, set up the songs, and they delivered the goods.

    Rodney played the straight man to Gerald’s jokes, (most of them from the George Younce book of quartet jokes), while Jason just stood there and giggled and smiled.

    Rodney played the roll of the idiot, Jason played the good quiet boy. Gerald, the director and ringmaster.

    And when the evening was winding down and the time came to extend an invitation Rodney finally started talking. I don’t remember what he said, but I do remember how it felt. There was such an overwhelming sense of authenticity and genuineness to what he said. As he testified for the Lord and invited others to walk with the Savior the presence of the Lord fell on the place in a way that only happens when you know it’s real.

    I had the confidence that this man who had stood there for an hour looking like an imbecile knew this man named Jesus that he spoke about.

    I don’t know that the moment would have had quite the same impact had Rodney and Jason been guffawing and chattering the entire time.

    So, the way they do it works. Gerald emcees and tells stories while the others stand there and sing. It works for them.

    I wish Jason well and hope that he will continue singing, or return to singing at some future time. He is very talented and will be missed.

  23. WhoamI wrote:

    This is off topic, but I received an e-letter from the Mark Trammell Trio today. At the end of the letter, it closed with “Until Next Time - - Blessing! Mark, Eric & Dustin.” There was no mention of Steve (Hurst). Is Hurst no longer touring with the group or was he just mistakenly omitted from the concluding statement? Anybody know?

  24. Thunderbass wrote:

    Doesn’t anyone else find it a little strange that this anouncement was made on April Fools Day?? Just a thought……

  25. Leebob wrote:

    Gerald must be easier to work with than most SG group leaders. To hang on to someone who is as young as Jason was to start with for that long speaks volumes for Gerald Wolfe and Rodney Griffin as far as being able to get along with one another personally.

    I have oftened wondered about that with groups. I figure that Mark Trammel is either extremely talented or he is not easy to get along with considering the Cathedral, Greater Vision, Gold City, then starting your own group move. Someone can probably fill in more history movement than I but it has always been interesting following the high turnover rate in the SG industry.

  26. Grigs wrote:

    Re: #13…I’d love to hear Dallas with Greater Vision.

  27. brad wrote:

    dont know but they sang close to us last month and hurst wasnt with them

  28. Jim2 wrote:

    #23 Who am I, Maybe math is not my strong suit, but how many people did you think there should be in a trio? Just kidding, I know Steve has been making appearances with them, but it was never my impression that was a “permanent” thing. Steve has his own “Vocal Coach” thning going and was doing some of that with MTT, singing a little Bass. I’m sure if I’m wrong there will be several of you insiders who’ll be happy to correct me.

    # 24 Thunderbass - actually the announcement was made on March 31

  29. Chris wrote:

    To #21 - You’re just asking to be pooped on. How long did it take you to find your dictionary to spell hallelujah? They should get a “Quality Tenor,” you said. Have you ever been out of your computer cubicle to see a concert?

    Jason may not be the highest singer, or be able to “Jesse Dixon” his voice all over the treble cleft, but he was able to reach and relate to his audience FAR better than Chris Allman could ever hope to. In fact, most “Quality” tenors could take a lesson on how to do just that. Maybe I’m a little harsh, but I think you needed it for your comments.

  30. LuckyDog wrote:

    Good luck to Jason,who has done a commendable job in a very high-profile position (for sgm). I pray the Lord will bless him richly in his future endeavors.

    As for GV post-Jason, I too (#21) am a great fan of Chris Allman’s voice and would love to see a return. I wonder what he is up to these days?

  31. bbq wrote:

    If this is indeed true, then it is a sad day for SGM. Jason is a true gentalman. Jason wouldn’t know me from the next person, but I have had the pleasure of meeting him and singing on the same program with GV several times. He is a class individual. A true Christian. He is humble and I believe his perceived arrogance may actually be his humility and shyness coming through.

    I agree here lately his voiced has seemed strained, or at the very least a little tired. But, GV still had the quality and polish so many groups lack. Rodney is far more intelligent than he likes to play on the stage and when it is his turn to deliver the final set or “altar call” he can do it with the best of them. His testimony is a true witness.

    This is a great group of guys who will continue to do great things with whomever they hire. I wish Jason and his family the best in their next endeavors and I look forward to the next chapter in the life of GV.

    God Bless, Jason!

  32. Aaron Swain wrote:

    #28: I understand that Steve had “joined” them, but is quite often out with his voice classes and whatnot. Maybe they just decided to forget it and he’s no longer part of the group. When he’s absent, Dustin Sweatman goes over to the piano for a couple of songs, so it wouldn’t be a HUGE loss.

  33. Brandon Coomer wrote:

    Leebob (#25), Mark Trammell is, without a doubt, one of the top two baritones in the industry’s history along with Doy Ott. He is definitely talented. You make it sound like he only stayed with each group for a couple of months (I understand you may not know the history of the moves). He was with the Cathedrals for ten years and with Gold City from 1994 to 2001. The groups didn’t exactly run him off (although I have to wonder if he felt a little pressure with Danny traveling with Gold City the last couple of years).

  34. Robert wrote:

    I wouldn’t call Jason a “power” tenor but he fit the GV mold for a tenor. I just don’t know if GV could take a real high tenor. Rodney and Gerald have both had vocal problems in the past. I just don’t think you’ll see them get someone “known” for financial and vocal reasons.
    As far as leaving because of vocal problems, I doubt it. Sometimes it can seem like someone is struggling vocally when they are actually struggling mentally. Like when the Lord is telling you it’s time to go. Or that little child at home is old enough now to say daddy.

  35. quartet-man wrote:

    Mark was in the Kingsmen as bass player and sometimes vocalist prior to the Cathedrals. He is definitely talented. Who else can claim to be a member of so many popular groups from the eighties on? I don’t know this, but I imagine part of his leaving the Cathedrals was knowing they wouldn’t be traveling a whole more lot of years and I know he had wanted to work with Tim Riley for a while. So, Greater Vision might have been his attempt to get something going somewhat on his own. Then, when the Gold City job opened up, he decided to work there when he could. Then he wanted to be able to preach and yet still sing, so starting your own group gives you the ability to schedule according to your needs and not have to go along with a groups needs. He always acted personable to me. I know you can’t always tell, but I would be surprised if it were his not getting along. Remember he stayed for a good deal of time with groups and from what we can tell, kept good relationships with the former employers.

  36. Rhonda wrote:

    #33 Take my word for it, Leebob does know the history. He has been involved in SG as a fan and other capacities for over 25 years. If you would actually read what he said you would know that he was referring to Mark Trammell being in several different groups instead of sticking with one group for his entire time in SG.
    Leebob was not disparaging Mark Trammell’s abilities, in fact I know that he respects that alot. But I respect that while admiring someone’s talent and ability to minister with that talent, Leebob isn’t afraid to say that he can also see that someone may not be perfect all the time. Knowing that someone isn’t perfect and that they are still willing vessels of ministry isn’t a bad thing, it just reminds us that they are just like us.

  37. Dean Leach wrote:

    The owner of this page can spew forth the most ignorance and nonsense in the world, but when someone writes and posts the truth, he deletes them.

    He is a not a true journalist

  38. John wrote:

    While I agree that Mark Trammell is an exceptionally talented baritone, I find PLENTY to doubt in Brandon(#33)’s incredible assertion that he is one of the top two baritones in the history of the gospel music industry alongside Doy Ott.

  39. Donna wrote:

    Those of you who do not know Jason personally do not have any idea of the depth of his faith. And when he sings, he is not “performing” but is sharing a Jesus that he adores. I’ve only been a fan for a few years, but I have been impressed with Jason’s humility and his heart. He is NOT a show-off like a lot of tenors who like to “scream” up in the highest zones that hurt my ears! For those of you who think he has not been up to par lately (and by the way, I’ve seen GV several times since January and I don’t agree), do you know that he has been suffering from extreme back pain? And that he hasn’t missed a single appearance during this time?
    Oh, and as far as “training” the new guy, Jason is not only a singer, but a very good sound guy. He is responsible for tweaking everything so that GV’s sound is up to their standards.

    I am going to miss Jason terribly, but wish him and his family the very best. I know that he will be well-used by the Lord in whatever direction he goes. And I have full confidence that Gerald will pick just the right new tenor to carry on the GV legacy.

  40. Derek wrote:

    Speaking of Steve Hurst, if my memory serves me correct, when Brian Free announced he was leaving Gold City and forming his own group, it was announced that it would be he (Free), his vocal coach Steve Hurst, and another member to be announced. As we all know, it didn’t happen that way. So I’m thinkinhg Steve has wanted to be part of a SG group for a while, but also enjoys making a decent living with the singing schools and vocal coaching, so he can’t commit full-time to a group. That’s just my perspective from the outside looking in. I could be wrong…believe it or not, it has happened before!

  41. Norm wrote:

    In response to #25, let me point out that George Younce said on their Reunion video that Mark Trammell was the best quartet man he had ever traveled with. I have heard Tim Riley say something similar about Mark. I’m going to guess that the reason Mark sang with the best and then after several years moved on wasn’t because he’s hard to get along with. There’s no doubt that he is talented. I don’t know if he’s one of the top two baritones ever, but I would agree that he’s developed into one of the best baritones we’ve seen in the last 25 years.

  42. Aaron Swain wrote:

    #40: I get from your post that although Hurst didn’t join the group, he still trained Free. That training has helped tremendously. Listen to Free from his GC days, then listen to him now. In his GC days, he sounded very nasally, but now it sounds like he has opened up alot, and his sound is better for it.

    There is a clear difference, and I have a feeling that without Hurst’s training, Assurance would not sound as good as they do now.

  43. volscot wrote:

    #35 - I was at a GV concert during their first few months of existence where Gerald told the story of how they formed. He said that he was content as a soloist when Mark called him one day and said “We’re going to start a group”. I seem to recall that it took Gerald a little while to warm up to the idea, but my memory may be fuzzy on that part of the story. Anyway, I do recall that they took awhile to audition tenors before selecting Chris. I believe they didn’t hire him after his first audition, but continued listening to others before calling Chris back for a second audition.

    It seems to me you wouldn’t start a new group with a plan already in place of leaving for another, but I may be wrong.

  44. Brandon Coomer wrote:

    Quartet-man (#35), Mark had already came off the road before Tim Riley asked him to join Gold City. Mark discussed this on the back stage part of Gold City’s “Today” VHS.

    Rhonda (#36), I did actually read what Leebob posted. The post said Mark “is either extremely talented or he is not easy to get along with”. That indicated one or the other, not that he has talent, but was not perfect and moved a lot. Leebob also mentioned that other people “can probably fill in more history movement,” which is why I took it that he may not have known how long Mark stayed with each group. If that isn’t the case, I apologize. It wasn’t my intent to question his knowledge. I still think Mark is a very poor example of people changing groups in the industry. You can find many more that went through groups much faster than Mark. To me, the best example of what Leebob brought up is David Hill

    John (#38), I really should have added IMO to my comment. Sorry! Although,
    I don’t think my assertion that incredible” from most people I’ve discussed it with.

    Aaron (#42), I believe Steve actually started working with Brian before Gold City’s “Pillars Of Faith” project.

    Adding to what volscot (#43) mentioned, didn’t Mark have a dream or vision of forrming a group with Gerald? I think that is part of why the group’s name included “Vision”.

  45. Tony Watson wrote:

    The name Greater Vision came from the title of a song that Gerald had written long before Greater Vision was formed.

    Mark Trammell jumping groups? So I guess 10 years with the Cathedrals and 9 years with Gold City is a brief tenure?

  46. Brandon Coomer wrote:

    Tony, I didn’t know that Gerald was a song writer. I don’t believe Greater Vision has ever recorded any of his songs.

  47. Leebob wrote:

    #33…That was actually a poor attempt at a joke. I understand that Mark is extremely talented and has what I call a classic sound at baritone rarely, if ever, matched.

    What I was pointing out was the fact that groups change constantly. One of the things about groups that were considered great was the fact that they didn’t change very often. You knew who you were going to hear regardless of how they felt that night.

    As it stands now when you go to a concert you can never really be too sure who you are going to hear as groups are changing so quickly.

  48. Tony Watson wrote:

    I don’t think you’ll ever hear Gerald call himself a songwriter - or ever hear this or any other song he might have written. I think he might have even been a teenager when he wrote that one.

  49. Kyle wrote:

    Leebob, I have to agree with you on the stability comment. I have addressed this a few times, myself. If you look at the two most well-known and successful SG quartets from the 80’s and 90’s, you have Gold City and The Cathedrals. In the 80’s, you had Brian, Ivan, Mike, and Tim in GC and Danny, Mark, Glen & George in the Cats. Both groups went through a rebuilding process in the 90’s, and emerged with a SECOND stable lineup (GC=Jay, Jonathan, Mark, and Tim, and Cats=Ernie, Scott, Glen & George).

    Now, the two “big dogs” are Greater Vision and Legacy Five. With the exception of the “tenor turnover,” you’ve had essentially the same groups for a number of years. There’s a reason they’re so well-loved. You can be given a CD of theirs from 4 or 5 years ago, go see them in concert, and still hear the same group you loved on that CD!!

    Try doing that with the Dixie Melody Boys….

  50. Larry Bedford wrote:

    I saw GV a couple months ago and was able to talk to all the guys and I thought all of them were extremly nice and the singing was great. I have heard some singers that weren’t as good but the message was great, and I think that is what GV tries to do.

  51. quartet-man wrote:

    43 Volscot, you are right about Mark calling Gerald about starting a group. I thought of that last night, but didn’t get around to posting it.

    I saw them at a church early on and Gerald told the same thing. Bryan Hutson and his brother actually sat in front of me (back in their New Generation days.)So, maybe they remember it too. :) Greater Vision had cut their CD (On A Journey I presume), and they were just back from the duplicators but they didn’t even have the CD inserts done yet. Somewhere I might even still have the business card Gerald gave me.

    I remember them saying nice things about Chris Allman (I think something about his standing out above the rest), but can’t recall if they talked about audtitioning him again or not. That sounds about right.

    #44. If I heard Mark say that, I forgot.
    Maybe I just presumed he went from one to the other. I do know he had said he and Tim wanted to work together for quite a while.

  52. Joe wrote:

    Any who have spoken negatives about Mark Trammell simply do not know him, or really, of him.

    George Younce often spoke of Mark as the very best quartet man he ever had the privilege of singing with. Tim Riley and Ray Reese would, to this day, speak more highly of him than most they have ever sung with. He was, after all, one of the founding members of Greater Vision, as well as being a member in excellent standing with 3 of the very most famous SGM quartets of their day. His current trio is as good as any, with the Booth Brothers and Paid in Full being possibly, the only exceptions.

    He is an open, honest, highly-respected Christian gentleman. I know him personally, and can say what I have said without hesitation.

    As to his voice? He is considered in SGM as being one of the greatest baritones to ever have sung this genre. Ask any 100 people in this business. 97 will tell you.

  53. oldtimer wrote:

    Kyle made an ineteresting statement in # 49 - that Greater Vision and Legacy Five are the two “big dogs” today. I think a case can be made for Greater Vision, but no way is Leagcy Five one of the top two groups dominating the scene today. There has always been two or three groups that dominated a decade. I think the Goodmans and Kingsmen were the 70s groups (with a nod also to the Inspirations) and the Cathedrals and Gold City dominating the 80s ( and possibly the McKameys would have to be included here also.) For the 90’s I think Gold City and the Cats held firm.

    I was wondering if everyone agrees with Kyle. If you had to name the three big dogs today - who would they be. Let’s exclude the Gaither Vocal Band and just acknolwledge that they are in another league. But among the regular touring groups, who are the big dogs? Let’s use as an objective means of comparison these three elements - concert attendance, project sales, and “buzz” - that distinct indescribable element that surrounds certain groups. Lets go from 2005 - present.

    Based on those standards, I think the top dogs currently would be Ernie Haase and Signature Sound, Greater Vision, and the Booth Brothers, with strong consideration given to the Perrys, Hoppers, and Kingdom Heirs. What say you?

    Chris

  54. volscot wrote:

    #49 - I consider the Kingdom Heirs, Triumphant, Sig Sound and GVB to be “bigger dogs” than L5, but that is my personal opinion. That doesn’t necessarily mean I like all of them better than L5, but I will say that I like at least 3 of them better. ;)

    The KH have been pretty stable this decade, except in 2002 when Stice, Sutton & Bennett left to form Integriphant. They’ve since replaced Hosterman with Hodges at tenor and had a few pianists (one of which only stayed a couple of months), but 4 of the 7 have been there since at least 1995.

    Triumphant hasn’t changed since they started as Integrity in 2002.

    Sig Sound is probably a little bit “bigger dog” than L5, KH & Triumphant because of their relationship with Gaither and his marketing machine. They’ve had changes at two positions since they formed in 2002 - Seaton replaced Dunlap at lead and Mote (part-time) replaced Webb who replaced Jones on piano.

    The GVB is probably the “biggest dog”, if you measure by their ability to draw an audience. Again, Gaither’s marketing machine is a/the key to this status. They’ve been about as stable as the KH this decade: Lowry-Taff-Hall at baritone, Phelphs-Hampton at tenor, and Burger-Mote at piano.

    Gold City has had a change at every position since 2000, but I would put them about on par with L5 on the “big dog” list. Personally, I enjoy GC more than L5 but objectively they are probably pretty similar in drawing power.

    So, I would put L5 at around number 5 or 6 on the pecking order of quartets this decade.

  55. Payton wrote:

    #29,

    Apparently YOU are asking to be pooped on. You must not have consulted your dictionary prior to your post either. There is no such thing as a treble cleft. It would be treble clef. I would proofread my own posts, or not use words that I don’t know how to spell (or apparently say either) before I go hacking at someone else if I were you.

  56. quartet-man wrote:

    Jessie doesn’t have a treble clefT, but Russ TafT does. ;)

  57. sockpuppet wrote:

    Big Dogs?? Greater Vision, EHSSQ and Gaither Vocal Band are three that are guaranteed to draw and provide a quality show, but face it, when Crabb Family disbanded, it left a huge vacuum as far as excitement is concerned in the genre. Crabb Revival’s new CD “Runaway Train” picks up right where the “old” Crabb family left off (before Blur the Lines and Letting Go)
    I’d pay to see the Perrys and Gold City and of course the 3 mentioned at the top, but that is about it

  58. brad wrote:

    Its amazing how we attack these men who have given their lives to ministry.We act as if there is no life after SG.These men have made many sacrifices to be on the road. I believe Mark Trammell is a man of great character and im sure Jason is .GV is not my fav but ive enjoyed their music throught the years.I hope and pray that God blessed Jason in his new plans in the ministry.

  59. Butch wrote:

    In regards to the “long overdue” departure of Jason I am once again reminded of how nerdy this Doug guy probably is. Nobody can argue with GV’s success yet some are so quick to put in a shot whenever possible. My guess is that Dougie the blogger is one of these dudes that is so bright that he lacks that plain old sense-common sense. Some people just think a little too hard and they don’t ever quite get a grip. Anybody ever wonder this with me? Does Dougie comb his hair? I wonder sometimes.

  60. Chris wrote:

    I suppose you’ve been to some European Music Theory School. Well, at the lowly state university I attended, the term cleft was a term developed by DOCTOR Manheim. Clef with a raised t signified that this type of music staff was obsolete. And since less than 1/20 of 1% of the western world could not read music (including most music majors), that all clefs were obsolete and should have the t-obelisk. Thus all staffs were called cleft (and spelled that way) in the two classes I took as a protest gesture by those considered musical intellectuals. This idea is well espoused by many professors of music at the university.

    Nice try.

  61. quartet-man wrote:

    Well, I have heard of a cleft palate. ;)
    Chris, did you mean less than 1/20 of 1% COULD read music? That makes more sense.

  62. Payton wrote:

    Chris,

    At the non-lowly, prestigious university I attended, it was taught as a clef. (And just so you know more than one staff are called staves, not staffs.) I’ve never heard it called cleft by any professional musician I have ever been in contact with. Just because it was a ‘well espoused’ idea at the school you attended, doesn’t mean it’s well espoused by the rest of the world.

    Nice try as well.

  63. wackythinker wrote:

    Just because one professor coined a term, and “the idea is well espoused by many professors of music” at one university, that doesn’t make it correct.

    Do most music dictionaries and/or textbooks refer to it as “clef” or “cleft”?

    I believe “clef” to be a centuries-old term, recognized by many times more music professors as the correct spelling.

    It appears “cleft” even has a different meaning, according to what you say your prof taught.

  64. KDM wrote:

    Clef with the raised (t) does indeed denote clefs that are obsolete, such as the sub-bass, mezzo-soprano, and baritone clefs. Most of the obsolete clefs are voice clefs, or C clefs. However, not ALL clefs are notated as obsolete. In the interest of simplicity, Western music has gravitated toward combining the voice clefs into treble, octave treble (for tenors) and bass clef. The grand staff uses only treble and bass. Making all clefs obsolete would mean that written music in its classical form is obsolete in itself, which is most certainly not the case. The raised (t) should only be used when referring to a specific clef, not all clefs in general, and it certainly doesn’t get pronounced as part of the word.

    I had excellent professors for my undergraduate and graduate level music studies. I don’t know if you would call them ‘musical intellectuals’, but they’re certainly some of the best in their fields. This is the first I’ve heard of ‘clef’ being pronounced ‘cleft’. Honestly, it just makes the speaker sound ignorant. This business about DOCTOR Manheim inventing the concept of the obsolete clef sounds like some small-time state university professor trying to make a name for himself by being ‘edgy’. Protesting the establishment by teaching your students erroneous information is a particularly offensive brand of stupidity. Sorry to be blunt, but that’s my $.02.

  65. Leebob wrote:

    shEEsh!!! You people are incredible with the things you will argue about. I get more amazed every day at the depths to which people will sink to be happy.

  66. Chris wrote:

    Wow. Feeling the hate. Let it flow. Your journey to the darkside is almost complete. Do you guys all live in the same apartment complex in south Lexington or something? At least I got your minds off hating Jason for a while.

  67. KDM wrote:

    “Do you guys all live in the same apartment complex in south Lexington or something?”

    Nah. We all live in a commune in western Oklahoma, where we have nothing better to do than read the Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians and quote our favorite lines from The Princess Bride.

    Pray for us.

  68. not a grammarian wrote:

    “Inconceivable”

  69. volscot wrote:

    “Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father prepare to die.”

  70. not a grammarian wrote:

    “stop saying that!”

  71. volscot wrote:

    “You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never to get involved in a land war in Asia. And only slightly less well known is this: never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line!”

  72. natesings wrote:

    The Princess Bride…wasn’t that the movie with Andre the Giant?

  73. volscot wrote:

    Yes it was. I have the DVD and on one of the “making of” bonus features, they said that Andre’s back was in such poor condition that he could hardly stand up. In one scene of the movie, he is shown carrying several people. They showed how the stunt crew rigged something to hoist the actors in the air to make it appear he was carrying them, when in actuality they were barely touching him because he was in such excrutiating pain. The crew said he never complained about the pain and that he always smiled. I believe he only lived a couple of years after making the movie.

  74. Gandolf wrote:

    Wonder if Jason will take a job preaching?

  75. Gandolf wrote:

    Turns out Jason has taken a job as “Music Director” at a church down in Houston. So much for seminary school and all that - must’ve been the paycheck and the free house!!

  76. Jason wrote:

    Gandolf, I will be working along with my wife as I go to seminary.
    Please don’t question my integrity.

  77. Rowe wrote:

    Jason has had walking pneumonia–get off his back–Jeez–whatever happened to the old( or new for a lot of you )saying -Judge NOT that you be NOT judged!
    ………and please don’t say that what you offer is ‘helpful’ criticism –I am so tired of all the comments that are hurtful–giving an opinion when you don’t agree is one thing but some of you -………….!!!!!!!

  78. Gandolf wrote:

    Jason,

    “A man is known by the company he keeps.”

    Honey, look back on this post after you’ve been at that church for a couple years and you’ll know what I mean. I may be old, but I’m no fool - things (people) are not always as they seem. Wish you didn’t have to learn that the hard way.

  79. Rob wrote:

    Wow, I stumbled on this during an internet search. Obviously I’ve come across one of the most idiotic websites regarding gospel music. What is your “beef” with these singers, specifically Jason? Can I assume that you are nothing more than a frustrated singer who would love to be a part of one of these groups if only you could carry a tune? Are you just unemployed and bored? Do you simply have a critical spirit and you are hiding behind a veil of Christianity? How pathetic. Go get a life Avery.

  80. Justin wrote:

    Gandolf,

    you are an idiot. Assuming something about someone you don’t even know is not only a sin, but it is also foolish. I have the honor and privledge of being able to call Jason a friend. He has a testimony that is truly formed from the will of God. You will NOT find a family more humble, and more deserving of all the great things that come their way than the Waldroup’s. I hated to see Jason leave the group and the east Tn area, but God’s will led him to where he is now. And if you have a problem with that, you need to take it up with God.

  81. Justin wrote:

    And by the way, Jason is attending seminary school while working as Music Dierctor. Have a clue before you post.

  82. Gandolf wrote:

    My, my, my…Justin and Rob, name calling isn’t nice.

    Honey, if you knew anything about the church Jason has gone to…but of course, you don’t. People who have belonged to that church for many years, like me do know what Jason has gotten himself into. I also thought Jason was a nice young man when he came to do concerts in Houston. What a shame he doesn’t know.

    SG

  83. Justin wrote:

    Please sir, and I use that term very loosely, do not call me Honey.

    If God calls you to do something, you go. No matter what a mudslinger like you says about anything.

  84. Gandolf wrote:

    And please do not call me “sir”, Honey.

  85. Justin wrote:

    You’re right, that’s a title that is earned.

  86. Kathy Dukes Thomas wrote:

    I have known Jason since he was 16 years old. I trust that he will do an amazing job no matter what field God chooses to put him in. Best wishes Jason, from an old friend.

    PS Josh says hi

  87. djeanner wrote:

    My thanks to the timely comments of the person Rowe, #77. Due to our woefully sin-infected human nature, some do not realize the cruelty and gross lack of love in judging others until the same ones now become the object of judgment and criticism.

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