Comments on: GMA Week: Ditching the Doves http://averyfineline.com/2008/04/26/gma-week-ditching-the-doves/ Criticism and commentary on southern gospel music Wed, 23 May 2012 11:17:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3 By: Ron F http://averyfineline.com/2008/04/26/gma-week-ditching-the-doves/#comment-418742 Ron F Sat, 03 May 2008 01:50:46 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/04/26/gma-week-ditching-the-doves/#comment-418742 Unfortunately, I was only able to watch the last portion of the live broadcast last Wednesday night. however, I did watch most of the program as it was replayed a few nights ago. The only performance I saw by southern gospel artist(s) was the joint performance of the hoppers, karen peck & new river, etc. And the joint performance by the Isaacs and Third Day. Was there any other southern gospel artist(s) performance? I was disappointed by the joint performances I saw - I felt that the southern gospel artist(s) should have been allowed to perform by themselves . . . in my view it was kind of like the southern gospel artist(s) were "thrown a bone" in being allowed to be on stage. I'd like to hear anyone else's opinion on this. Unfortunately, I was only able to watch the last portion of the live broadcast last Wednesday night. however, I did watch most of the program as it was replayed a few nights ago. The only performance I saw by southern gospel artist(s) was the joint performance of the hoppers, karen peck & new river, etc. And the joint performance by the Isaacs and Third Day. Was there any other southern gospel artist(s) performance? I was disappointed by the joint performances I saw - I felt that the southern gospel artist(s) should have been allowed to perform by themselves . . . in my view it was kind of like the southern gospel artist(s) were “thrown a bone” in being allowed to be on stage. I’d like to hear anyone else’s opinion on this.

]]> By: Jake http://averyfineline.com/2008/04/26/gma-week-ditching-the-doves/#comment-412543 Jake Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:10:02 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/04/26/gma-week-ditching-the-doves/#comment-412543 In Ernie's defense -- because none of us can get into his head or heart -- I am sure that, especially right after Roy left, Ernie and the others were undoubtedly asked over and over again, multiple times every day, for the reason. When you give the same answer over and over, trying to give out whatever information you can while still protecting confidentialities, it can get tiring -- annoying -- and unless you memorize a script (which everyone would jump on), sometimes it is going to come out better than other times. I agree with #40, it really doesn't sound like anything "new" or juicy. And he probably didn't know how long he would have to take off, because he didn't know how long his dad would live -- so rather than leave EHSS up in the air, either Roy or Ernie or both together decided together that it was better for him to resign. That's my guess. In Ernie’s defense — because none of us can get into his head or heart — I am sure that, especially right after Roy left, Ernie and the others were undoubtedly asked over and over again, multiple times every day, for the reason. When you give the same answer over and over, trying to give out whatever information you can while still protecting confidentialities, it can get tiring — annoying — and unless you memorize a script (which everyone would jump on), sometimes it is going to come out better than other times. I agree with #40, it really doesn’t sound like anything “new” or juicy. And he probably didn’t know how long he would have to take off, because he didn’t know how long his dad would live — so rather than leave EHSS up in the air, either Roy or Ernie or both together decided together that it was better for him to resign. That’s my guess.

]]> By: John http://averyfineline.com/2008/04/26/gma-week-ditching-the-doves/#comment-411019 John Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:01:45 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/04/26/gma-week-ditching-the-doves/#comment-411019 when E. made the comment to me- it was in a tone that was "misleading" he made roy sound like a complete wreck. when E. made the comment to me- it was in a tone that was “misleading” he made roy sound like a complete wreck.

]]> By: cynical one http://averyfineline.com/2008/04/26/gma-week-ditching-the-doves/#comment-410874 cynical one Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:43:13 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/04/26/gma-week-ditching-the-doves/#comment-410874 Actually, if I remember the original story correctly, Roy's "side of the story" is not any different from EHSS' press release. Only more detail. However, it would be interesting to know if there's some reason Roy is not going back to EHSS. Does he just WANT to do his solo thing, or are we reading too much into all this? Actually, if I remember the original story correctly, Roy’s “side of the story” is not any different from EHSS’ press release. Only more detail.

However, it would be interesting to know if there’s some reason Roy is not going back to EHSS. Does he just WANT to do his solo thing, or are we reading too much into all this?

]]> By: Grigs http://averyfineline.com/2008/04/26/gma-week-ditching-the-doves/#comment-410774 Grigs Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:23:05 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/04/26/gma-week-ditching-the-doves/#comment-410774 Re: #34 Huh? When did I say something "ungracious" about Ernie? I've read Ernie's "side": he basically said Roy had things more important than playing piano to take care of and he left the group to do that. When Roy told his story, he basically elaborated on what the more important things were. Re: #34

Huh? When did I say something “ungracious” about Ernie? I’ve read Ernie’s “side”: he basically said Roy had things more important than playing piano to take care of and he left the group to do that. When Roy told his story, he basically elaborated on what the more important things were.

]]> By: Realistic http://averyfineline.com/2008/04/26/gma-week-ditching-the-doves/#comment-410599 Realistic Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:35:05 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/04/26/gma-week-ditching-the-doves/#comment-410599 An important point for John and all: The Roy testimony you retold does not necessarily discount what Ernie said to you. You may want to reconsider labeling something as a "misleading comment" that could also be quite true. An important point for John and all:

The Roy testimony you retold does not necessarily discount what Ernie said to you. You may want to reconsider labeling something as a “misleading comment” that could also be quite true.

]]> By: jb http://averyfineline.com/2008/04/26/gma-week-ditching-the-doves/#comment-410419 jb Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:28:44 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/04/26/gma-week-ditching-the-doves/#comment-410419 We went to Gaither Give it Away Concert over the weekend. We had free tickets we had won. They only had Janet P.Lynda R., The Easters, Joy G., GVB, EHSS. I could not believe the stacks that were used. The EAsters have never impressed me, they can sing, but, they aren't great. Their daughter did an o.k. job. What amazes me is that when you look at the crowd, the majority of people think that these groups really sound like a 25 voice choir. They have no idea they are lip singing (probably misspelled) and using stacks over stacks. I was entertained and it was a nice Friday evening, but, would I pay $31 for a ticket.....NO. Maybe if there were several groups on the stage, but, I know they have other engagements. I know they use the same jokes, but, we really enjoyed the humor. Guess I was needing a good laugh that night and Kevin Williams was right on. We went to Gaither Give it Away Concert over the weekend. We had free tickets we had won. They only had Janet P.Lynda R., The Easters, Joy G., GVB, EHSS. I could not believe the stacks that were used. The EAsters have never impressed me, they can sing, but, they aren’t great. Their daughter did an o.k. job. What amazes me is that when you look at the crowd, the majority of people think that these groups really sound like a 25 voice choir. They have no idea they are lip singing (probably misspelled) and using stacks over stacks. I was entertained and it was a nice Friday evening, but, would I pay $31 for a ticket…..NO. Maybe if there were several groups on the stage, but, I know they have other engagements. I know they use the same jokes, but, we really enjoyed the humor. Guess I was needing a good laugh that night and Kevin Williams was right on.

]]> By: John http://averyfineline.com/2008/04/26/gma-week-ditching-the-doves/#comment-409949 John Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:06:59 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/04/26/gma-week-ditching-the-doves/#comment-409949 Realistic- I fully respect Ernie and Roy- I simply said that Ernie had made a misleading comment to me- and now I was glad that I heard this "side" of the story. Realistic-
I fully respect Ernie and Roy-
I simply said that Ernie had made a misleading comment to me-
and now I was glad that I heard this “side” of the story.

]]> By: Wade http://averyfineline.com/2008/04/26/gma-week-ditching-the-doves/#comment-409918 Wade Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:25:45 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/04/26/gma-week-ditching-the-doves/#comment-409918 Hi Faith...nice to meet some one else here that has a sense of humor. Hi Faith…nice to meet some one else here that has a sense of humor.

]]> By: Realistic http://averyfineline.com/2008/04/26/gma-week-ditching-the-doves/#comment-409818 Realistic Tue, 29 Apr 2008 02:18:03 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/04/26/gma-week-ditching-the-doves/#comment-409818 John and Grigs: Take into account that there are always two sides to every story, even a moving one like Roy's. And be sure to give Ernie just as much grace as you're giving Roy. John and Grigs:
Take into account that there are always two sides to every story, even a moving one like Roy’s. And be sure to give Ernie just as much grace as you’re giving Roy.

]]> By: Faith http://averyfineline.com/2008/04/26/gma-week-ditching-the-doves/#comment-409623 Faith Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:53:48 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/04/26/gma-week-ditching-the-doves/#comment-409623 Oh my gosh, "john masters", comparing me to Obama's pastor??? PLEASE! Should I even dignify that with a response? It was a JOKE. You know, a joke? Oh, you HAVE heard of them? Yeah, I really think that EH and the guys had a dance lesson. Right. And because of a joke (and admonishing you to quit beating a dead horse), you say that I have no hope or love. Who do you think you are to say that to anyone? And why are you only comparing ME to a certain pastor, and not everyone else who has posted on here? I wonder. Oh my gosh, “john masters”, comparing me to Obama’s pastor??? PLEASE! Should I even dignify that with a response?

It was a JOKE. You know, a joke? Oh, you HAVE heard of them? Yeah, I really think that EH and the guys had a dance lesson. Right. And because of a joke (and admonishing you to quit beating a dead horse), you say that I have no hope or love. Who do you think you are to say that to anyone? And why are you only comparing ME to a certain pastor, and not everyone else who has posted on here? I wonder.

]]> By: quartet-man http://averyfineline.com/2008/04/26/gma-week-ditching-the-doves/#comment-409492 quartet-man Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:44:50 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/04/26/gma-week-ditching-the-doves/#comment-409492 Thanks for sharing about Roy's testimony. It was far more important for Roy to make peace with his dad. It's too bad he wasn't able to take the needed time off and still do it, but God can still use Roy and the restoration he and his dad had greatly in other places. Thanks for sharing about Roy’s testimony. It was far more important for Roy to make peace with his dad. It’s too bad he wasn’t able to take the needed time off and still do it, but God can still use Roy and the restoration he and his dad had greatly in other places.

]]> By: Grigs http://averyfineline.com/2008/04/26/gma-week-ditching-the-doves/#comment-409424 Grigs Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:52:53 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/04/26/gma-week-ditching-the-doves/#comment-409424 If somebody wants to know why EHSS wasn't at the awards show, you can contact them through their website and ask. Probably the same for Austins Bridge. I'd do it myself if I thought it was worth the effort. John's report is accurate. I've heard Roy Webb's "side of the story" (I was at his first solo gig) and it's all about forgiveness, hope, and love. It would severely disappoint those wanting a "Roy vs. Ernie" scandal. Sorry 'bout your luck. If somebody wants to know why EHSS wasn’t at the awards show, you can contact them through their website and ask. Probably the same for Austins Bridge.

I’d do it myself if I thought it was worth the effort.

John’s report is accurate. I’ve heard Roy Webb’s “side of the story” (I was at his first solo gig) and it’s all about forgiveness, hope, and love. It would severely disappoint those wanting a “Roy vs. Ernie” scandal. Sorry ’bout your luck.

]]> By: Leebob http://averyfineline.com/2008/04/26/gma-week-ditching-the-doves/#comment-409369 Leebob Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:06:29 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/04/26/gma-week-ditching-the-doves/#comment-409369 Truthfully, if I had some place to be as opposed to winning an award I would probably take it. Awards are nice but what did you do to earn the award. SG has pretty much been an afterthought to the Dove people for many years now so I am not too worried about it. If EH&SS choose not to go to an awards show it is clearly their decision. Between hotel costs and fuel, if they are not paid it may be simply a financial decision. What I find more interesting is our fascination of flash over substance. While visiting youtube and seeing EH&SS staging one of their songs they sound rather ordinary. To do all the movement that they do they have to stack the tracks so much that the appearance is they are more about the show and less about the singing, getting dangerously close to Vanilla Ice territory. Do not get me wrong, the whole lot of EH&SS are extremely talented. I also believe that in order to reach someone with the gospel there must be an element of entertaining (holding one's attention). At what point have we gone to the other end of the pendulum's swing? At what point do we become less genuine and more ego-centric? Truthfully, if I had some place to be as opposed to winning an award I would probably take it. Awards are nice but what did you do to earn the award. SG has pretty much been an afterthought to the Dove people for many years now so I am not too worried about it. If EH&SS choose not to go to an awards show it is clearly their decision. Between hotel costs and fuel, if they are not paid it may be simply a financial decision.

What I find more interesting is our fascination of flash over substance. While visiting youtube and seeing EH&SS staging one of their songs they sound rather ordinary. To do all the movement that they do they have to stack the tracks so much that the appearance is they are more about the show and less about the singing, getting dangerously close to Vanilla Ice territory.

Do not get me wrong, the whole lot of EH&SS are extremely talented. I also believe that in order to reach someone with the gospel there must be an element of entertaining (holding one’s attention). At what point have we gone to the other end of the pendulum’s swing? At what point do we become less genuine and more ego-centric?

]]> By: Ethan http://averyfineline.com/2008/04/26/gma-week-ditching-the-doves/#comment-409263 Ethan Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:35:13 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/04/26/gma-week-ditching-the-doves/#comment-409263 Why do you care if EHSS did not go to the Dove Awards? Do you have a job that takes you away from home at a minimum 130 days a year? If you were gone 130 days a year, I bet you would like to be home as much as possible. I'm sure Ernie thought it was more important for them to be at their concert scheduled for the next night. It comes down to where would you rather be? Do you want to be at an award show that doesn't care about your style of music and please a bunch of malcontents, or do you want to be in front of a packed out crowd singing to people who appreciate what you do? I think the choice is easy. Besides, if EHSS had gone, what would the detractors have to complain about? Why do you care if EHSS did not go to the Dove Awards? Do you have a job that takes you away from home at a minimum 130 days a year? If you were gone 130 days a year, I bet you would like to be home as much as possible. I’m sure Ernie thought it was more important for them to be at their concert scheduled for the next night.

It comes down to where would you rather be? Do you want to be at an award show that doesn’t care about your style of music and please a bunch of malcontents, or do you want to be in front of a packed out crowd singing to people who appreciate what you do? I think the choice is easy. Besides, if EHSS had gone, what would the detractors have to complain about?

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