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	<title>Comments on: Patronizing Christian retailers</title>
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	<description>Criticism and commentary on southern gospel music</description>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/05/29/patronizing-christian-retailers/#comment-592450</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 07:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enough already. It is simply a case of supply and demand as with any business. If enough people want a full-service So. Gospel Christian Music store or at least a full selection of that genre it will be there. Southern Gospel radio has been its own worst enemy by and large which reflects in  low or no sales of So. Gospel music to speak of, in especially smaller markets. They usually try to become all things to all people, AOR radio which is..............
all over the road Radio! They play a lot of tunes that sound very home-spun, some would-be or wanna' be talent and the songs sound like they were cut down in somebody's basement, ye ole million 'cellar'. They play too much hillbilly stuff that is more like country music with Christian lyrics and they lump it all in under the heading of Southern Gospel. So. Gospel still suffers from an identity crisis. Bill Gaither is responsible for so much of this confusion. He is a marketeer deluxe but he is not a So. Gospel purist as he oft likes to portray himself. He'll throw it all in like goulash in his homecoming videos and I'm sure if true he would tape the 2nd coming and sell DVDs of that too. I got news for So. Gospel and you can call it racist if you want to, even though it is not, just pure  and honest observation. The black singers known as The Reggie Saddler Family is NOT So. Gospel music! Never will be. They are invited every year to sing it seems at the NQC. That is nothing but Black Gospel music. There is a difference folks but So. Gospel leaders to be PC I suppose sell out and pull a Bill Gaither in order to look like it offers a big tent for everybody like politics does these days. I would bet that the Black Gospel gatherings will not invite a Palmetto State or a Florida Boys to sing at their affairs. You'll see that the day that you see a Mason invited to speak at a Knights of Columbus event. Stop trying to be all things to all people So. Gospel industry. Get pure, get real and get more fans as a result. If you wear a Union top and Confederate pants and both sides end up shooting you!  Stop bringing strange fire unto the altar, don't be lukewarm. Be hot or cold says the Lord. Bill Hanson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enough already. It is simply a case of supply and demand as with any business. If enough people want a full-service So. Gospel Christian Music store or at least a full selection of that genre it will be there. Southern Gospel radio has been its own worst enemy by and large which reflects in  low or no sales of So. Gospel music to speak of, in especially smaller markets. They usually try to become all things to all people, AOR radio which is&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<br />
all over the road Radio! They play a lot of tunes that sound very home-spun, some would-be or wanna&#8217; be talent and the songs sound like they were cut down in somebody&#8217;s basement, ye ole million &#8216;cellar&#8217;. They play too much hillbilly stuff that is more like country music with Christian lyrics and they lump it all in under the heading of Southern Gospel. So. Gospel still suffers from an identity crisis. Bill Gaither is responsible for so much of this confusion. He is a marketeer deluxe but he is not a So. Gospel purist as he oft likes to portray himself. He&#8217;ll throw it all in like goulash in his homecoming videos and I&#8217;m sure if true he would tape the 2nd coming and sell DVDs of that too. I got news for So. Gospel and you can call it racist if you want to, even though it is not, just pure  and honest observation. The black singers known as The Reggie Saddler Family is NOT So. Gospel music! Never will be. They are invited every year to sing it seems at the NQC. That is nothing but Black Gospel music. There is a difference folks but So. Gospel leaders to be PC I suppose sell out and pull a Bill Gaither in order to look like it offers a big tent for everybody like politics does these days. I would bet that the Black Gospel gatherings will not invite a Palmetto State or a Florida Boys to sing at their affairs. You&#8217;ll see that the day that you see a Mason invited to speak at a Knights of Columbus event. Stop trying to be all things to all people So. Gospel industry. Get pure, get real and get more fans as a result. If you wear a Union top and Confederate pants and both sides end up shooting you!  Stop bringing strange fire unto the altar, don&#8217;t be lukewarm. Be hot or cold says the Lord. Bill Hanson</p>
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		<title>By: Jim2</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/05/29/patronizing-christian-retailers/#comment-479898</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 18:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2008/05/29/patronizing-christian-retailers/#comment-479898</guid>
		<description>Kyle,
Excellent points.  2 months is not long enough time to get that word-of-mouth machine running, but in today's climate, it's all about results, and we want them yesterday.  
There are definitely stores out there that sell good quantities of SG music, lots of Michael Combs, Carroll Roberson, Greater Vision, Legacy 5, Perrys etc., but they have a reputation of being willing to carry or special order those items the SG fan is looking for - you are right that it is not an impulse thing.
Quartet Man makes another good point.  Several Christian Bookstores that I had personally dealt with, in NC, FL, TN, and OK that all did good business with New Day buying (and re-ordering) independent SG and Gaither titles all ended up closing after the SG radio station in their area switched formats.  While it may not have been the killer blow, it was definitely a contributing factor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle,<br />
Excellent points.  2 months is not long enough time to get that word-of-mouth machine running, but in today&#8217;s climate, it&#8217;s all about results, and we want them yesterday.<br />
There are definitely stores out there that sell good quantities of SG music, lots of Michael Combs, Carroll Roberson, Greater Vision, Legacy 5, Perrys etc., but they have a reputation of being willing to carry or special order those items the SG fan is looking for - you are right that it is not an impulse thing.<br />
Quartet Man makes another good point.  Several Christian Bookstores that I had personally dealt with, in NC, FL, TN, and OK that all did good business with New Day buying (and re-ordering) independent SG and Gaither titles all ended up closing after the SG radio station in their area switched formats.  While it may not have been the killer blow, it was definitely a contributing factor.</p>
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		<title>By: quartet-man</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/05/29/patronizing-christian-retailers/#comment-479616</link>
		<dc:creator>quartet-man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2008/05/29/patronizing-christian-retailers/#comment-479616</guid>
		<description>Kyle, I also want to talk about another comment you made. I think at least some SG customers look for a particular song or artist and not so much impulse buy. They probably aren't there on the release date of a new recording like I was, but they might see the Hoppers doing Shouting Time, The Talleys doing Searching or Karen Peck and New River doing Four Days Late and want to get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle, I also want to talk about another comment you made. I think at least some SG customers look for a particular song or artist and not so much impulse buy. They probably aren&#8217;t there on the release date of a new recording like I was, but they might see the Hoppers doing Shouting Time, The Talleys doing Searching or Karen Peck and New River doing Four Days Late and want to get it.</p>
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		<title>By: quartet-man</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/05/29/patronizing-christian-retailers/#comment-479603</link>
		<dc:creator>quartet-man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2008/05/29/patronizing-christian-retailers/#comment-479603</guid>
		<description>Great post Kyle, but I have to argue a few points. :) First is that Gaither doesn't have a monopoly anymore than Microsoft does. Gaither has just done a good job of promoting, putting out quality product and getting customers. There are still other products out there. Some good. It's just that they haven't done as good of a job of selling it like Gaither has. He has the money and connections to get it done. Just like Microsoft. The comparison ends in a few ways. Microsoft's quality isn't as good as Apples from what I hear, but they managed to become the gorilla. Their techniques in doing so might even be questionable, so that is where it ends. 

Nonetheless, getting a lot of customers in favor of a competing business doesn't a monopoly make.

Also, I believe there are several people out there usually of the older generation, who doesn't buy online, but enjoys Southern Gospel. You just might not have had the product on the shelf long enough for them to find you, or perhaps they don't buy as much. Maybe they get it from somewhere else. One thing that helps is to have a SG radio station. 

I kept our local stores busy with SG purchases long before I bought online. We're talking around 15 years or so. Sometimes I did mail order when items weren't in stock and ordering was easier from mail order, but a lot of times I went in and had to have them order. Nonetheless, even before the SG station (although there was a few hour Sunday morning SG program even then), one of the two stores had a nice SG section. Then at least after the station came in the other started carrying a larger section. It also might not have hurt that they did so about the time that Family Christian bought out the other and might not have kept as much SG. They did do some, but I think they probably stuck more with the Gaither stuff and maybe a few of the more popular artists seen on all things Gaither, whereas the local owned store got into some lesser known artists as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Kyle, but I have to argue a few points. <img src='http://averyfineline.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> First is that Gaither doesn&#8217;t have a monopoly anymore than Microsoft does. Gaither has just done a good job of promoting, putting out quality product and getting customers. There are still other products out there. Some good. It&#8217;s just that they haven&#8217;t done as good of a job of selling it like Gaither has. He has the money and connections to get it done. Just like Microsoft. The comparison ends in a few ways. Microsoft&#8217;s quality isn&#8217;t as good as Apples from what I hear, but they managed to become the gorilla. Their techniques in doing so might even be questionable, so that is where it ends. </p>
<p>Nonetheless, getting a lot of customers in favor of a competing business doesn&#8217;t a monopoly make.</p>
<p>Also, I believe there are several people out there usually of the older generation, who doesn&#8217;t buy online, but enjoys Southern Gospel. You just might not have had the product on the shelf long enough for them to find you, or perhaps they don&#8217;t buy as much. Maybe they get it from somewhere else. One thing that helps is to have a SG radio station. </p>
<p>I kept our local stores busy with SG purchases long before I bought online. We&#8217;re talking around 15 years or so. Sometimes I did mail order when items weren&#8217;t in stock and ordering was easier from mail order, but a lot of times I went in and had to have them order. Nonetheless, even before the SG station (although there was a few hour Sunday morning SG program even then), one of the two stores had a nice SG section. Then at least after the station came in the other started carrying a larger section. It also might not have hurt that they did so about the time that Family Christian bought out the other and might not have kept as much SG. They did do some, but I think they probably stuck more with the Gaither stuff and maybe a few of the more popular artists seen on all things Gaither, whereas the local owned store got into some lesser known artists as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/05/29/patronizing-christian-retailers/#comment-479177</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 11:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2008/05/29/patronizing-christian-retailers/#comment-479177</guid>
		<description>For the last 8 years, I have worked for a Christian bookstore (Family Christian Store, with a short stint at Berean Christian store). For three years, I was a full-time music manager at Family. What used to drive me nuts was the fact that our southern gospel section was INCREDIBLY weak. After a year of complaining and arguing, I finally convinced our store's manager to let me place a massive southern gospel order. I basically got on the phone with New Day and said, "I want this, this, this, this, this......", and we filled the shelves with SG.

Two months later, when our corporate office saw the mass amount of product sitting on our shelves, they ordered us to return it all to the vendor. I resisted at first and left a lot of it on the shelf, but in the end, it simply did NOT sell. The people who wanted SG came in and headed directly for the Gaither display, and the ones who wanted anything else either ordered it online or got it at concerts.

Southern Gospel DOES NOT SELL in comparison to the rest of the music genres. The majority of people who buy SG don't go looking for specific titles; they impulse buy. You can't depend on impulse buys to carry your sales.

By the way....more than anything, SG buyers never said, "I'm looking for SOUTHERN GOSPEL," they said, "I'm looking for the GAITHER MUSIC." Gaither = Southern Gospel. Gotta hand it to the guy, he's got the monopoly, no doubt!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the last 8 years, I have worked for a Christian bookstore (Family Christian Store, with a short stint at Berean Christian store). For three years, I was a full-time music manager at Family. What used to drive me nuts was the fact that our southern gospel section was INCREDIBLY weak. After a year of complaining and arguing, I finally convinced our store&#8217;s manager to let me place a massive southern gospel order. I basically got on the phone with New Day and said, &#8220;I want this, this, this, this, this&#8230;&#8230;&#8221;, and we filled the shelves with SG.</p>
<p>Two months later, when our corporate office saw the mass amount of product sitting on our shelves, they ordered us to return it all to the vendor. I resisted at first and left a lot of it on the shelf, but in the end, it simply did NOT sell. The people who wanted SG came in and headed directly for the Gaither display, and the ones who wanted anything else either ordered it online or got it at concerts.</p>
<p>Southern Gospel DOES NOT SELL in comparison to the rest of the music genres. The majority of people who buy SG don&#8217;t go looking for specific titles; they impulse buy. You can&#8217;t depend on impulse buys to carry your sales.</p>
<p>By the way&#8230;.more than anything, SG buyers never said, &#8220;I&#8217;m looking for SOUTHERN GOSPEL,&#8221; they said, &#8220;I&#8217;m looking for the GAITHER MUSIC.&#8221; Gaither = Southern Gospel. Gotta hand it to the guy, he&#8217;s got the monopoly, no doubt!</p>
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		<title>By: mp3guy</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/05/29/patronizing-christian-retailers/#comment-473498</link>
		<dc:creator>mp3guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 20:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2008/05/29/patronizing-christian-retailers/#comment-473498</guid>
		<description>The harsh reality is that due to economies of scale, it is impossible for an independent retailer, be they a boutique, home-owned grocery, pharmacy or Christian Bookstore to compete on price with the chains or big-box stores.  
I agree that there is no excuse for poor customer service, but please understand that is a separate issue from cost of goods and shouldn't be lumped into the same argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The harsh reality is that due to economies of scale, it is impossible for an independent retailer, be they a boutique, home-owned grocery, pharmacy or Christian Bookstore to compete on price with the chains or big-box stores.<br />
I agree that there is no excuse for poor customer service, but please understand that is a separate issue from cost of goods and shouldn&#8217;t be lumped into the same argument.</p>
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		<title>By: David Bruce Murray</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/05/29/patronizing-christian-retailers/#comment-472257</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bruce Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 05:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2008/05/29/patronizing-christian-retailers/#comment-472257</guid>
		<description>"My contention is, unless there IS a compelling reason, patronizing a Christian establishment should be a matter of course for those in the body of Christ."

Given the option to patronize two similar businesses...one owned by non-Christians and one owned by Christians...I would opt for the Christian owned business if everything else is equal. I will buy gas at a store that doesn't have porn sitting on a rack behind the counter over one that does, even if I have to pay more. 

But that wasn't my earlier point.

The point was that choosing to patronize the Christian owned companies should not include compromises in the areas of service and price. If the price does happen to be more, then the customer service quality should be better to compensate for the higher cost.

Also, I don't know what you're basing the "more releases today" theory on. I've glanced at release schedules from time to time in the past few years. It doesn't seem to be any greater now than it was ten years ago. There looks to be a more frequent regurgitation of former releases (see EMICMG's upcoming slate for June/July), but no significant increase in genuinely new releases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My contention is, unless there IS a compelling reason, patronizing a Christian establishment should be a matter of course for those in the body of Christ.&#8221;</p>
<p>Given the option to patronize two similar businesses&#8230;one owned by non-Christians and one owned by Christians&#8230;I would opt for the Christian owned business if everything else is equal. I will buy gas at a store that doesn&#8217;t have porn sitting on a rack behind the counter over one that does, even if I have to pay more. </p>
<p>But that wasn&#8217;t my earlier point.</p>
<p>The point was that choosing to patronize the Christian owned companies should not include compromises in the areas of service and price. If the price does happen to be more, then the customer service quality should be better to compensate for the higher cost.</p>
<p>Also, I don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re basing the &#8220;more releases today&#8221; theory on. I&#8217;ve glanced at release schedules from time to time in the past few years. It doesn&#8217;t seem to be any greater now than it was ten years ago. There looks to be a more frequent regurgitation of former releases (see EMICMG&#8217;s upcoming slate for June/July), but no significant increase in genuinely new releases.</p>
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		<title>By: Hello?</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/05/29/patronizing-christian-retailers/#comment-472147</link>
		<dc:creator>Hello?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 04:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>15. David Bruce Murray said: 
"I worked in Christian retail for about eleven years. There should be no compelling reason to shop at a Christian retail establishment just because it’s run by 'good people.'"


I'm confused. 


So you're saying that customers should stop shopping at local independent Christian bookstores -- even if they are run by "good people" -- because those owners made the mistake of employing any less-than-expert staff people? 

Okay, then I guess we consumers need to do all our shopping at Christian retail chains?

But no, that can't be right; chains can be bad. You said the independent local store you worked at declined once it was taken over by a chain; there was no longer an "'our' mentality" in the store, and poor decisions were coming from the top management.

OH! That's right. I forgot. The solution is for us to do ALL our Christian shopping at secular chains or big-box stores, since they don't have to live up to any expectations at all, except price (which we assume is always lower there). Obviously, we don't expect these companies to be run by "good" people, and we don't expect them to offer great customer service.



Wow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>15. David Bruce Murray said:<br />
&#8220;I worked in Christian retail for about eleven years. There should be no compelling reason to shop at a Christian retail establishment just because it’s run by &#8216;good people.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m confused. </p>
<p>So you&#8217;re saying that customers should stop shopping at local independent Christian bookstores &#8212; even if they are run by &#8220;good people&#8221; &#8212; because those owners made the mistake of employing any less-than-expert staff people? </p>
<p>Okay, then I guess we consumers need to do all our shopping at Christian retail chains?</p>
<p>But no, that can&#8217;t be right; chains can be bad. You said the independent local store you worked at declined once it was taken over by a chain; there was no longer an &#8220;&#8216;our&#8217; mentality&#8221; in the store, and poor decisions were coming from the top management.</p>
<p>OH! That&#8217;s right. I forgot. The solution is for us to do ALL our Christian shopping at secular chains or big-box stores, since they don&#8217;t have to live up to any expectations at all, except price (which we assume is always lower there). Obviously, we don&#8217;t expect these companies to be run by &#8220;good&#8221; people, and we don&#8217;t expect them to offer great customer service.</p>
<p>Wow.</p>
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		<title>By: mp3guy</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/05/29/patronizing-christian-retailers/#comment-472005</link>
		<dc:creator>mp3guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 02:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2008/05/29/patronizing-christian-retailers/#comment-472005</guid>
		<description>David,
Enough!  you and Cut-Your-Nose-Off- To- Spite- Your- Face are both right.   There was a time when Stephen Wiley and Bible Break was the only significant rap album out in the Christian Market (and it wasn't that significant), and you my friend are a bit more anal-ytical than you like to admit.  
In today's environment where there are sometimes 20 CDs released BY THE 3 MAJOR COMPANIES in the same week, it's a bit tougher for an after school student to keep up with, especially if they are not involved in the buying/selection process.  Yes, by now Dove Brothers have achieved the status you seek for them, but even 5 years ago they were not even distributed by a "reputable" SG company. 
You do make a good point about the 30 hours and 12 months, albeit from your perspective of 11 years.
2 statements in this thread really grate on me, first CVH to start it off said "loyalty to the concept of Christian brick and mortar retail is no longer valid." and then you said " There should be no compelling reason to shop at a Christian retail establishment just because it’s run by “good people.”   My contention is, unless there IS a compelling reason, patronizing a Christian establishment should be a matter of course for those in the body of Christ.
Maybe I'm "old school", but my plumber, mechanic, hairdresser, yard guy are all believers - it may cost me a bit more, but what is that compard to the opportunity to bless them with my loyalty?
Grigs,
How 'bout them Celtics?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,<br />
Enough!  you and Cut-Your-Nose-Off- To- Spite- Your- Face are both right.   There was a time when Stephen Wiley and Bible Break was the only significant rap album out in the Christian Market (and it wasn&#8217;t that significant), and you my friend are a bit more anal-ytical than you like to admit.<br />
In today&#8217;s environment where there are sometimes 20 CDs released BY THE 3 MAJOR COMPANIES in the same week, it&#8217;s a bit tougher for an after school student to keep up with, especially if they are not involved in the buying/selection process.  Yes, by now Dove Brothers have achieved the status you seek for them, but even 5 years ago they were not even distributed by a &#8220;reputable&#8221; SG company.<br />
You do make a good point about the 30 hours and 12 months, albeit from your perspective of 11 years.<br />
2 statements in this thread really grate on me, first CVH to start it off said &#8220;loyalty to the concept of Christian brick and mortar retail is no longer valid.&#8221; and then you said &#8221; There should be no compelling reason to shop at a Christian retail establishment just because it’s run by “good people.”   My contention is, unless there IS a compelling reason, patronizing a Christian establishment should be a matter of course for those in the body of Christ.<br />
Maybe I&#8217;m &#8220;old school&#8221;, but my plumber, mechanic, hairdresser, yard guy are all believers - it may cost me a bit more, but what is that compard to the opportunity to bless them with my loyalty?<br />
Grigs,<br />
How &#8217;bout them Celtics?</p>
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		<title>By: David Bruce Murray</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/05/29/patronizing-christian-retailers/#comment-471798</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bruce Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 00:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I imagine even you, DBM, might find it tough to answer a question about a Christian rap lyric with the same knowledge as one from an SG project."

Currently, no...but from 1992 until 1998 when I was actively working as a music buyer, I kept up with the majority of artists that we stocked...even those genres I didn't count as being among my favorites. I could tell customers that Steven Wiley recorded "Teenage Mutant Youth Group Member" and show them where we kept it on the shelf, for example.

And if that same customer was interested in buying a Bible, I could explain the nuances between a dynamic Bible translation, a literal translation, a paraphrase and an amplified bible. This isn't because I'm sensationally smart. It's just that I had enough interest in my job to keep my customers satisfied. 

You're correct that no employee is going to "equally" know every niche in the store. My point is that a reasonably intelligent employee should know the niches well enough to converse and sell you the product you want...IF they work enough hours and have enough experience to know their job. 

There really is no excuse for a dumb look when you ask if there's a new Dove Brothers CD in stock, and it's an employee who has been working for 30 hours a week for the past twelve months. At the very least, they should be able to get on the computer and see if they're supposed to have one on the shelf. 

That level of basic service should be the premium you receive from paying $2-5 more per CD than you'd pay with no help at all from the employees at Wal-Mart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I imagine even you, DBM, might find it tough to answer a question about a Christian rap lyric with the same knowledge as one from an SG project.&#8221;</p>
<p>Currently, no&#8230;but from 1992 until 1998 when I was actively working as a music buyer, I kept up with the majority of artists that we stocked&#8230;even those genres I didn&#8217;t count as being among my favorites. I could tell customers that Steven Wiley recorded &#8220;Teenage Mutant Youth Group Member&#8221; and show them where we kept it on the shelf, for example.</p>
<p>And if that same customer was interested in buying a Bible, I could explain the nuances between a dynamic Bible translation, a literal translation, a paraphrase and an amplified bible. This isn&#8217;t because I&#8217;m sensationally smart. It&#8217;s just that I had enough interest in my job to keep my customers satisfied. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re correct that no employee is going to &#8220;equally&#8221; know every niche in the store. My point is that a reasonably intelligent employee should know the niches well enough to converse and sell you the product you want&#8230;IF they work enough hours and have enough experience to know their job. </p>
<p>There really is no excuse for a dumb look when you ask if there&#8217;s a new Dove Brothers CD in stock, and it&#8217;s an employee who has been working for 30 hours a week for the past twelve months. At the very least, they should be able to get on the computer and see if they&#8217;re supposed to have one on the shelf. </p>
<p>That level of basic service should be the premium you receive from paying $2-5 more per CD than you&#8217;d pay with no help at all from the employees at Wal-Mart.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/05/29/patronizing-christian-retailers/#comment-471371</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 21:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the span of 7 years I saw our local Christian bookstore go from 3 whole isles of SG to 1/2 isle. I don't think you can blame them. You know, supply and demand. At the same time when I would go in and ask for a certain SG soundtrack or CD the employee would not only act like I was weird or something for even wanting the CD in question but wouldn't have a clue as to who I was talking about. 
SG product sells best on product tables at concerts and, if it hasn't already happened, will become the only place you can find them besides the internet.
Now if you want Third Day, Casting Crowns, etc. the Christian bookstore employees are an authority on the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the span of 7 years I saw our local Christian bookstore go from 3 whole isles of SG to 1/2 isle. I don&#8217;t think you can blame them. You know, supply and demand. At the same time when I would go in and ask for a certain SG soundtrack or CD the employee would not only act like I was weird or something for even wanting the CD in question but wouldn&#8217;t have a clue as to who I was talking about.<br />
SG product sells best on product tables at concerts and, if it hasn&#8217;t already happened, will become the only place you can find them besides the internet.<br />
Now if you want Third Day, Casting Crowns, etc. the Christian bookstore employees are an authority on the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: mark forester</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/05/29/patronizing-christian-retailers/#comment-471181</link>
		<dc:creator>mark forester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 20:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a MAJOR sg group releasing a cd later this year that they are not going to carry on their table for one full year. It will only be available retail. (not sure about their website) I personally think that this will not work, but this news came straight from the horse's mouth.

It will be interesting to watch because this is a hot group right now. I hope it does work for them. I just cant see people hearing some new songs at a concert and being told they have to go to a bookstore to buy it. I am not sure this works in SG.

I have the utmost respect for this group and manager so maybe they know something I don't.

Can't say who it is. I don;t know if that is for public knowledge so I will leave the artist out for now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a MAJOR sg group releasing a cd later this year that they are not going to carry on their table for one full year. It will only be available retail. (not sure about their website) I personally think that this will not work, but this news came straight from the horse&#8217;s mouth.</p>
<p>It will be interesting to watch because this is a hot group right now. I hope it does work for them. I just cant see people hearing some new songs at a concert and being told they have to go to a bookstore to buy it. I am not sure this works in SG.</p>
<p>I have the utmost respect for this group and manager so maybe they know something I don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t say who it is. I don;t know if that is for public knowledge so I will leave the artist out for now.</p>
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		<title>By: mp3guy</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/05/29/patronizing-christian-retailers/#comment-471176</link>
		<dc:creator>mp3guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 19:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another factor, as noted by douglas is the rise of church bookstores.  Usually their rent, electricity etc. are not a separate budget item for the church, generally run by volunteers (or 1 paid staff and the rest volunteers) sometimes don't have to charge sales tax.  These factors allow them to discount items, thus reinforcing the idea that "regular" bookstores are overpriced.  The plus side is it is easier to coordinate with the pastor what books an music to carry and recommend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another factor, as noted by douglas is the rise of church bookstores.  Usually their rent, electricity etc. are not a separate budget item for the church, generally run by volunteers (or 1 paid staff and the rest volunteers) sometimes don&#8217;t have to charge sales tax.  These factors allow them to discount items, thus reinforcing the idea that &#8220;regular&#8221; bookstores are overpriced.  The plus side is it is easier to coordinate with the pastor what books an music to carry and recommend.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Watson</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/05/29/patronizing-christian-retailers/#comment-471097</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 18:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too can't agree with the comment that there is as good a selection at the Barnes &#38; Noble, etc. - though that could depend in what part of the country you live in. In Texas, the LifeWay stores carry at least a decent selection of SG music and it's even better in places like Tyler where SG music is more commonplace. Not so much in the bigger cities like Dallas and Houston. 

As far as the bigger stores, Wal-Mart, in certain cities, has a small selection, primarily Gaither and a few of the Daywind artists, but certainly not in most of the secular stores. 

Sure you can find some top-selling "Christian" books in those stores like Wal-Mart, Barnes &#38; Noble, etc. but it's primarily that not very meaty stuff that Osteen, TJ Jakes, Joyce Meyer and the like write. 

Point taken though that the days of the mom and pop Christian retailer being able to make it are coming to a close, but I think that's the same as with most any mom and pop genre. 

With Christian books and music, so many are downloading, ordering through the net, etc. that it has to affect all of the retailers, mom and pop or chain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too can&#8217;t agree with the comment that there is as good a selection at the Barnes &amp; Noble, etc. - though that could depend in what part of the country you live in. In Texas, the LifeWay stores carry at least a decent selection of SG music and it&#8217;s even better in places like Tyler where SG music is more commonplace. Not so much in the bigger cities like Dallas and Houston. </p>
<p>As far as the bigger stores, Wal-Mart, in certain cities, has a small selection, primarily Gaither and a few of the Daywind artists, but certainly not in most of the secular stores. </p>
<p>Sure you can find some top-selling &#8220;Christian&#8221; books in those stores like Wal-Mart, Barnes &amp; Noble, etc. but it&#8217;s primarily that not very meaty stuff that Osteen, TJ Jakes, Joyce Meyer and the like write. </p>
<p>Point taken though that the days of the mom and pop Christian retailer being able to make it are coming to a close, but I think that&#8217;s the same as with most any mom and pop genre. </p>
<p>With Christian books and music, so many are downloading, ordering through the net, etc. that it has to affect all of the retailers, mom and pop or chain.</p>
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		<title>By: CYNOTSYF</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/05/29/patronizing-christian-retailers/#comment-471006</link>
		<dc:creator>CYNOTSYF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 17:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#16 DBM:
Maybe I should have emphasized "equally" to show it's the key word:

“There aren’t enough hours in the day for Christian bookstore employees to become EQUALLY knowledgeable about every genre of Christian music."

Certainly Christian music buyers should have the best possible knowledge about every genre they carry, but if they have more personal expertise in praise &#38; worship and Rap, chances are that they may not know exactly which SG song tells a particular story. 

Customers often think they can ask for songs without doing their homework; they say the song they need is about the love of Jesus, and they just heard it on SG radio. That's pretty tough for a part-time employee to locate.

I imagine even you, DBM, might find it tough to answer a question about a Christian rap lyric with the same knowledge as one from an SG project.

And for those music buyers who receive free demonstration CDs for their stores, I stand by the statement: There aren't enough hours in the day to listen to every CD that's received from every genre. It's impossible to absorb that many songs from that many artists.

Of course, in spite of all the challenges, bookstore employees who see themselves as Christian music professionals DO keep learning and adding to their knowledge, and it's time to honor the ones who do a great job -- and to patronize the stores that employ people with expertise. And some stores realize they can actually call their vendors to find additional information to answer the questions of their customers; customer service is a team effort, after all.

So, here's the bottom line:
If the 21-year-old music buyer at your local store doesn't yet have much knowledge about Southern Gospel, give them a break. They'll keep learning with time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#16 DBM:<br />
Maybe I should have emphasized &#8220;equally&#8221; to show it&#8217;s the key word:</p>
<p>“There aren’t enough hours in the day for Christian bookstore employees to become EQUALLY knowledgeable about every genre of Christian music.&#8221;</p>
<p>Certainly Christian music buyers should have the best possible knowledge about every genre they carry, but if they have more personal expertise in praise &amp; worship and Rap, chances are that they may not know exactly which SG song tells a particular story. </p>
<p>Customers often think they can ask for songs without doing their homework; they say the song they need is about the love of Jesus, and they just heard it on SG radio. That&#8217;s pretty tough for a part-time employee to locate.</p>
<p>I imagine even you, DBM, might find it tough to answer a question about a Christian rap lyric with the same knowledge as one from an SG project.</p>
<p>And for those music buyers who receive free demonstration CDs for their stores, I stand by the statement: There aren&#8217;t enough hours in the day to listen to every CD that&#8217;s received from every genre. It&#8217;s impossible to absorb that many songs from that many artists.</p>
<p>Of course, in spite of all the challenges, bookstore employees who see themselves as Christian music professionals DO keep learning and adding to their knowledge, and it&#8217;s time to honor the ones who do a great job &#8212; and to patronize the stores that employ people with expertise. And some stores realize they can actually call their vendors to find additional information to answer the questions of their customers; customer service is a team effort, after all.</p>
<p>So, here&#8217;s the bottom line:<br />
If the 21-year-old music buyer at your local store doesn&#8217;t yet have much knowledge about Southern Gospel, give them a break. They&#8217;ll keep learning with time.</p>
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