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	<title>Comments on: Harshing, Part I</title>
	<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/07/14/harshing-part-i/</link>
	<description>Criticism and commentary on southern gospel music</description>
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		<title>By: Harry Peters</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/07/14/harshing-part-i/#comment-570372</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2008/07/14/harshing-part-i/#comment-570372</guid>
		<description>Nonsgfan (35) I couldn't help but notice the lisp.  You've got him pegged!</description>
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		<title>By: Nonsgfan</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/07/14/harshing-part-i/#comment-570135</link>
		<dc:creator>Nonsgfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2008/07/14/harshing-part-i/#comment-570135</guid>
		<description>I jusst think eeernie issss dreeamy!!


Ps, I just said that in a very girly, feminine voice.</description>
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<p>Ps, I just said that in a very girly, feminine voice.</p>
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		<title>By: HML</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/07/14/harshing-part-i/#comment-558235</link>
		<dc:creator>HML</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2008/07/14/harshing-part-i/#comment-558235</guid>
		<description>It's nice to see something well-thought out on the topic of EHSS. Good post. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s nice to see something well-thought out on the topic of EHSS. Good post. <img src='http://averyfineline.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: A WOMANS PERSPECTIVE</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/07/14/harshing-part-i/#comment-558092</link>
		<dc:creator>A WOMANS PERSPECTIVE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2008/07/14/harshing-part-i/#comment-558092</guid>
		<description>Maybe the men want to bash Ernie and SSQ but don't ask a woman or your wife what she thinks of them if you want her to tell you the truth, anyway.  The "S's" in SSQ are probably not for "explicitly sexier," but they sure could be.  That wet dreams video makes me want to come to chicago for sure.  Does anyone know if Ernie got Kirk's old bed in the bus when he took over the tenor for the cathedrals?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the men want to bash Ernie and SSQ but don&#8217;t ask a woman or your wife what she thinks of them if you want her to tell you the truth, anyway.  The &#8220;S&#8217;s&#8221; in SSQ are probably not for &#8220;explicitly sexier,&#8221; but they sure could be.  That wet dreams video makes me want to come to chicago for sure.  Does anyone know if Ernie got Kirk&#8217;s old bed in the bus when he took over the tenor for the cathedrals?</p>
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		<title>By: NOT AVERY</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/07/14/harshing-part-i/#comment-558091</link>
		<dc:creator>NOT AVERY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2008/07/14/harshing-part-i/#comment-558091</guid>
		<description>Avery sensors anybody that calls sin what it is.  What are you afraid of?  The TRUTH?</description>
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		<title>By: Dick Hardin</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/07/14/harshing-part-i/#comment-558090</link>
		<dc:creator>Dick Hardin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2008/07/14/harshing-part-i/#comment-558090</guid>
		<description>I think #29 (John Doe) is really Harry Peters.</description>
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		<title>By: Harry Peters</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/07/14/harshing-part-i/#comment-558087</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2008/07/14/harshing-part-i/#comment-558087</guid>
		<description>NOT ERNIE HAASE (15)  I don't know about cross hairs on Ernie's back, but I sure wouldn't want his cross hairs on mine. 

JOE (17) You are dead RIGHT.  I wouldn't expect many people on this site to agree with us, but we are called to be a "peculiair" people and we are not to be "conformed to this world," but "TRANSFORMED."  I'm so glad my wife, Fonda, pointed out your post to me.  I would have missed seeing you ask the question that really is the one that should be asked and answered.   

I wish you all would lighten up on Joel a little.  He seems like a sweet young man and he doesn't have that sinister, nefarious air that some have.  He is leading a flock and allowing God to heal a hurting world through his preaching.  


BBQ (23) I appreciate what you said about Ernie "getting it."  I don't know if he gets it or not, I always imagined he was more of a giver than a receiver.  

Lastly, WADE (24) Glad you wanted old Harry to weigh in.  You know that I love you and BBQ both...but don't be too quick to think that people like JOE (17) and I are being too judgmental.  I don't remember if it is in Proverbs or Ecclesiastes that says "you can't judge a book by it's cover."  

Anyway, old Harry Peters just wanted to say that he loves the Lord and loves all of you...even those of you who want to come down HARD on me.  God is a God of love and mercy, but He/She's not going to be mocked by people trying to make a fortune while claiming to be working for the Lord...and all the while they are in my mind doing the devil's  bidding with their "explicitly sexier" garbage.  I never thought I'd be living in the last days and ever hear anything about southern gospel music being "sexy."  

Lord forgive us all...for the things we've done and the things we've left undone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NOT ERNIE HAASE (15)  I don&#8217;t know about cross hairs on Ernie&#8217;s back, but I sure wouldn&#8217;t want his cross hairs on mine. </p>
<p>JOE (17) You are dead RIGHT.  I wouldn&#8217;t expect many people on this site to agree with us, but we are called to be a &#8220;peculiair&#8221; people and we are not to be &#8220;conformed to this world,&#8221; but &#8220;TRANSFORMED.&#8221;  I&#8217;m so glad my wife, Fonda, pointed out your post to me.  I would have missed seeing you ask the question that really is the one that should be asked and answered.   </p>
<p>I wish you all would lighten up on Joel a little.  He seems like a sweet young man and he doesn&#8217;t have that sinister, nefarious air that some have.  He is leading a flock and allowing God to heal a hurting world through his preaching.  </p>
<p>BBQ (23) I appreciate what you said about Ernie &#8220;getting it.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t know if he gets it or not, I always imagined he was more of a giver than a receiver.  </p>
<p>Lastly, WADE (24) Glad you wanted old Harry to weigh in.  You know that I love you and BBQ both&#8230;but don&#8217;t be too quick to think that people like JOE (17) and I are being too judgmental.  I don&#8217;t remember if it is in Proverbs or Ecclesiastes that says &#8220;you can&#8217;t judge a book by it&#8217;s cover.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Anyway, old Harry Peters just wanted to say that he loves the Lord and loves all of you&#8230;even those of you who want to come down HARD on me.  God is a God of love and mercy, but He/She&#8217;s not going to be mocked by people trying to make a fortune while claiming to be working for the Lord&#8230;and all the while they are in my mind doing the devil&#8217;s  bidding with their &#8220;explicitly sexier&#8221; garbage.  I never thought I&#8217;d be living in the last days and ever hear anything about southern gospel music being &#8220;sexy.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Lord forgive us all&#8230;for the things we&#8217;ve done and the things we&#8217;ve left undone.</p>
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		<title>By: Irishlad</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/07/14/harshing-part-i/#comment-556882</link>
		<dc:creator>Irishlad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2008/07/14/harshing-part-i/#comment-556882</guid>
		<description>#17.Joe, to quote,'how exactly does this advance the Gospel of the Saviour'. Just exactly the way JD did when he opened for Elvis after the Sweets messed up.Do you think they(SI) opened with Gospel,no,but the Stamps did and i'm quite sure at least one  person paid heed. And one is all you need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#17.Joe, to quote,&#8217;how exactly does this advance the Gospel of the Saviour&#8217;. Just exactly the way JD did when he opened for Elvis after the Sweets messed up.Do you think they(SI) opened with Gospel,no,but the Stamps did and i&#8217;m quite sure at least one  person paid heed. And one is all you need.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Boles</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/07/14/harshing-part-i/#comment-555203</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Boles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2008/07/14/harshing-part-i/#comment-555203</guid>
		<description>#19,#27.....Its true that Ernie has one of the hottest mics in SG! I seen their mixing board at a concert ( since i run sound in church i have a basic understanding of how the things work...) and i noticed that "Es" Mic was turned up quite loud in comparison to others....and lets not forget that Ernie has a very powerful voice...maybe not of a Phelps standard but still very powerful....i have read where he filled an auditorium with his own voice without a microphone due to a power failure!

EHSS=Trailblazers......exactly the same thing as was done years ago with the Statesmen, Imperials etc etc...

Ernie's' unofficial motto is, "Different Hair but the Same Message" :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#19,#27&#8230;..Its true that Ernie has one of the hottest mics in SG! I seen their mixing board at a concert ( since i run sound in church i have a basic understanding of how the things work&#8230;) and i noticed that &#8220;Es&#8221; Mic was turned up quite loud in comparison to others&#8230;.and lets not forget that Ernie has a very powerful voice&#8230;maybe not of a Phelps standard but still very powerful&#8230;.i have read where he filled an auditorium with his own voice without a microphone due to a power failure!</p>
<p>EHSS=Trailblazers&#8230;&#8230;exactly the same thing as was done years ago with the Statesmen, Imperials etc etc&#8230;</p>
<p>Ernie&#8217;s&#8217; unofficial motto is, &#8220;Different Hair but the Same Message&#8221; <img src='http://averyfineline.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: reeksofjealousy</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/07/14/harshing-part-i/#comment-554920</link>
		<dc:creator>reeksofjealousy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2008/07/14/harshing-part-i/#comment-554920</guid>
		<description>#19...Ernie has always had one of the hottest mics in SGM.  Even back when he was with the Cathedrals, he always liked his mic hot enough that he didn't have to push so hard every night.  When they used to sing "Wedding Music" and they got to the ending, he'd start that ending with his head turned at least 90 degrees away from the mic, with his mic near his waist and could still be heard plain as day.  Then he'd bring it in and just blow people away.  It's called working the mic.  He has always done it.  Now, don't get me wrong, some stacks are being used.  But if you ever see EHSSQ live, you'll notice his live voice is clearly coming through.  And especially on his solo parts.  There is no lip-synching going on.

If you are basing this on the videos, then sure, there are parts where the overdubs may not match up exactly with the mouth.  But that doesn't mean he is lip-synching.  It just means they wanted to fix that part during the editing process.  Or maybe they had some technical glitches with the vocals that needed to be fixed.  

EHSSQ are perfectionist and believe in working hard.  That is a lost quality in today's world, not just SG music.  And Ernie is a planner.  Sure, he has a sounding board in Bill Gaither and when George was still alive, but in the end, Ernie is a man who makes his own decisions for his group.  Just ask him what he has planned for 2010 or 2011.  He already is thinking about it.  Name me one other SG group who is thinking that far into the future.  Most are just trying to figure out where they are goig to stop for lunch on their way to Podunk, NC this afternoon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#19&#8230;Ernie has always had one of the hottest mics in SGM.  Even back when he was with the Cathedrals, he always liked his mic hot enough that he didn&#8217;t have to push so hard every night.  When they used to sing &#8220;Wedding Music&#8221; and they got to the ending, he&#8217;d start that ending with his head turned at least 90 degrees away from the mic, with his mic near his waist and could still be heard plain as day.  Then he&#8217;d bring it in and just blow people away.  It&#8217;s called working the mic.  He has always done it.  Now, don&#8217;t get me wrong, some stacks are being used.  But if you ever see EHSSQ live, you&#8217;ll notice his live voice is clearly coming through.  And especially on his solo parts.  There is no lip-synching going on.</p>
<p>If you are basing this on the videos, then sure, there are parts where the overdubs may not match up exactly with the mouth.  But that doesn&#8217;t mean he is lip-synching.  It just means they wanted to fix that part during the editing process.  Or maybe they had some technical glitches with the vocals that needed to be fixed.  </p>
<p>EHSSQ are perfectionist and believe in working hard.  That is a lost quality in today&#8217;s world, not just SG music.  And Ernie is a planner.  Sure, he has a sounding board in Bill Gaither and when George was still alive, but in the end, Ernie is a man who makes his own decisions for his group.  Just ask him what he has planned for 2010 or 2011.  He already is thinking about it.  Name me one other SG group who is thinking that far into the future.  Most are just trying to figure out where they are goig to stop for lunch on their way to Podunk, NC this afternoon.</p>
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		<title>By: brad</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/07/14/harshing-part-i/#comment-554844</link>
		<dc:creator>brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really dont understand why people dislike EHSS so much.I enjoy their music. I dont think theyre the best quartet but their not terrible.Probally most of the people that condemn them cant sing anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really dont understand why people dislike EHSS so much.I enjoy their music. I dont think theyre the best quartet but their not terrible.Probally most of the people that condemn them cant sing anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: dortie</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/07/14/harshing-part-i/#comment-554704</link>
		<dc:creator>dortie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2008/07/14/harshing-part-i/#comment-554704</guid>
		<description>No matter what any of us thinks about EH and SSQ they sure do get a lot of free press on this site. So I guess they are doing something right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter what any of us thinks about EH and SSQ they sure do get a lot of free press on this site. So I guess they are doing something right.</p>
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		<title>By: Wade</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/07/14/harshing-part-i/#comment-554252</link>
		<dc:creator>Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 06:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2008/07/14/harshing-part-i/#comment-554252</guid>
		<description>Well Said BBQ... I am sure J &#38; J and who ever else will disagree some way. Quote some bible verses or use Avery's words (thats the new one)... which is taken out of context to make him feel better. Ignoring the 5 other paragraphs that are positive. God Love his Heart. 

I wonder what Harry thinks about this??? LoL;-))

Joe or JW (their rants are the same) said how watering down the gospel drove ppl away but they still have not explained how Joel has the Biggest church in the USA??? Surprisingly they have not bashed him badly yet. 

But give them time, they are still trying to find out about Phil crosses marriages. If Kirk's still not gay or if it is too sexual to lick your fingers @ Tony Gore's BBQ Palace.

Thank JC The Lord God Above we will not have to Stand in Judgment before them when it matters!!

But I love ya and pray for ya every day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Said BBQ&#8230; I am sure J &amp; J and who ever else will disagree some way. Quote some bible verses or use Avery&#8217;s words (thats the new one)&#8230; which is taken out of context to make him feel better. Ignoring the 5 other paragraphs that are positive. God Love his Heart. </p>
<p>I wonder what Harry thinks about this??? LoL;-))</p>
<p>Joe or JW (their rants are the same) said how watering down the gospel drove ppl away but they still have not explained how Joel has the Biggest church in the USA??? Surprisingly they have not bashed him badly yet. </p>
<p>But give them time, they are still trying to find out about Phil crosses marriages. If Kirk&#8217;s still not gay or if it is too sexual to lick your fingers @ Tony Gore&#8217;s BBQ Palace.</p>
<p>Thank JC The Lord God Above we will not have to Stand in Judgment before them when it matters!!</p>
<p>But I love ya and pray for ya every day.</p>
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		<title>By: bbq</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/07/14/harshing-part-i/#comment-553617</link>
		<dc:creator>bbq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2008/07/14/harshing-part-i/#comment-553617</guid>
		<description>Joe #17....consider this...

is it possible that by using one of those broadway tunes EHSSQ might just capture the ear of someone who would not normally listen to their more gospel music style tunes?  Then, is it possible that EHSSQ might then go from the B-way tune over to the more S-Gospel style tune that has the message of Christ and God in it and keep that person's attention, there by introducing that person to a genre of music, and more importantly a God, that the person might not otherwise have listened to without first being brought in by the unique dance moves orchestrated with the B-way tune?  Is it not plausible that EH gets it?  That in order to connect people to God he must first connect with them in a way that they are familiar with? 

Just a thought.  

Maybe EH and SSQ are smarter than you give them credit for being?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe #17&#8230;.consider this&#8230;</p>
<p>is it possible that by using one of those broadway tunes EHSSQ might just capture the ear of someone who would not normally listen to their more gospel music style tunes?  Then, is it possible that EHSSQ might then go from the B-way tune over to the more S-Gospel style tune that has the message of Christ and God in it and keep that person&#8217;s attention, there by introducing that person to a genre of music, and more importantly a God, that the person might not otherwise have listened to without first being brought in by the unique dance moves orchestrated with the B-way tune?  Is it not plausible that EH gets it?  That in order to connect people to God he must first connect with them in a way that they are familiar with? </p>
<p>Just a thought.  </p>
<p>Maybe EH and SSQ are smarter than you give them credit for being?</p>
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		<title>By: BUICK</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2008/07/14/harshing-part-i/#comment-553519</link>
		<dc:creator>BUICK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2008/07/14/harshing-part-i/#comment-553519</guid>
		<description>#8 - Just to clarify, if it is 15 people on the field, it is rugby.  American football has 11 as does World Cup football (soccer).  

EHSSQ are to SG in the early-21st Century what Hovie and the Statesmen were in the mid-20th Century: edgy, controversial, showmen, etc.  I've got no problem with that.  I don't care about Ernie's personality (he doesn't rub my fur the wrong way like JD used to).  My beef with EH is that to me, his voice seems shrill.  But I also recognize that is a matter of personal taste and preference.  I didn't care for Rosie Rozell or Rick Strickland but I always liked Bobby Clark and Bill Shaw.  I can't necessarily quantify and justify that...I just like some voices and don't care too much for others.  Merely a matter of personal preference.  I enjoy the SSQ and I endure the EH part of it.

I suspect some of the negative feeling toward EH is the notion that he didn't earn his place in SG music.  Some (erroneously) believe that George hired his son-in-law to sing tenor.  In fact, EH married the boss's daughter because he was already singing for the Cats before he dated and married.  Some believe that he didn't earn the exposure that EHSSQ has enjoyed, BG gave it to them as a favor to George.  

The fact is, EH may have got some breaks along the way but he also appears to have made the most of them.   And that counts for something...even if I don't care for his voice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#8 - Just to clarify, if it is 15 people on the field, it is rugby.  American football has 11 as does World Cup football (soccer).  </p>
<p>EHSSQ are to SG in the early-21st Century what Hovie and the Statesmen were in the mid-20th Century: edgy, controversial, showmen, etc.  I&#8217;ve got no problem with that.  I don&#8217;t care about Ernie&#8217;s personality (he doesn&#8217;t rub my fur the wrong way like JD used to).  My beef with EH is that to me, his voice seems shrill.  But I also recognize that is a matter of personal taste and preference.  I didn&#8217;t care for Rosie Rozell or Rick Strickland but I always liked Bobby Clark and Bill Shaw.  I can&#8217;t necessarily quantify and justify that&#8230;I just like some voices and don&#8217;t care too much for others.  Merely a matter of personal preference.  I enjoy the SSQ and I endure the EH part of it.</p>
<p>I suspect some of the negative feeling toward EH is the notion that he didn&#8217;t earn his place in SG music.  Some (erroneously) believe that George hired his son-in-law to sing tenor.  In fact, EH married the boss&#8217;s daughter because he was already singing for the Cats before he dated and married.  Some believe that he didn&#8217;t earn the exposure that EHSSQ has enjoyed, BG gave it to them as a favor to George.  </p>
<p>The fact is, EH may have got some breaks along the way but he also appears to have made the most of them.   And that counts for something&#8230;even if I don&#8217;t care for his voice.</p>
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