Comments on: Breathy singing, part II http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/06/breathy-singing-part-ii/ Criticism and commentary on southern gospel music Wed, 23 May 2012 16:45:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3 By: SouthernGospelBlog.com » Saturday News Roundup http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/06/breathy-singing-part-ii/#comment-641017 SouthernGospelBlog.com » Saturday News Roundup Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:36:25 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/06/breathy-singing-part-ii/#comment-641017 [...] Who would have thought it–Avery prefers the McKameys to BarlowGirl? [...] […] Who would have thought it–Avery prefers the McKameys to BarlowGirl? […]

]]> By: NonSGfan http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/06/breathy-singing-part-ii/#comment-601479 NonSGfan Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:38:58 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/06/breathy-singing-part-ii/#comment-601479 Leebob, I have a masters degree in getting off subject. Fezzik, becoming all things to all people doesn't mean that you take on new attitudes, mindsets, and actions to accustom their beliefs. Paul preached to people who worshiped the goddess Diana, but he didn't strip down and go commit all sorts of lude acts with them. I'm glad that Christ didn't change his message OR his method with the "Group". He revealed sin, and commanded repentance. How is it working out for me? Very well. The people that I see saved through my ministry, ACTUALLY GET SAVED. Changed lives, changed talk, changed walk, changed attitude, changed perspective, changed beliefs...CHANGE is what we need, not confession. We need POSESSION of Christ, not CONFESSION of Christ. Leebob, I have a masters degree in getting off subject. Fezzik, becoming all things to all people doesn’t mean that you take on new attitudes, mindsets, and actions to accustom their beliefs. Paul preached to people who worshiped the goddess Diana, but he didn’t strip down and go commit all sorts of lude acts with them. I’m glad that Christ didn’t change his message OR his method with the “Group”. He revealed sin, and commanded repentance. How is it working out for me? Very well. The people that I see saved through my ministry, ACTUALLY GET SAVED. Changed lives, changed talk, changed walk, changed attitude, changed perspective, changed beliefs…CHANGE is what we need, not confession. We need POSESSION of Christ, not CONFESSION of Christ.

]]> By: Leebob http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/06/breathy-singing-part-ii/#comment-592889 Leebob Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:13:50 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/06/breathy-singing-part-ii/#comment-592889 It is not our music that draws people, neither our craftiness of words, neither is it one style or the other that is reaching people....it is the Spirit of God and how, pray tell, did we get this far off the subject? It is not our music that draws people, neither our craftiness of words, neither is it one style or the other that is reaching people….it is the Spirit of God and how, pray tell, did we get this far off the subject?

]]> By: Fezzik http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/06/breathy-singing-part-ii/#comment-592881 Fezzik Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:26:44 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/06/breathy-singing-part-ii/#comment-592881 Be sure and let me know how that's working out for you. I guess you disagree with the "I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some" part of the Bible. I'm not saying your method is ineffective, for you - but there are people that you will never reach, whether separated by geography, culture, or mindset Be sure and let me know how that’s working out for you.
I guess you disagree with the “I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some” part of the Bible.
I’m not saying your method is ineffective, for you - but there are people that you will never reach, whether separated by geography, culture, or mindset

]]> By: Jeremy Carter http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/06/breathy-singing-part-ii/#comment-592876 Jeremy Carter Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:28:42 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/06/breathy-singing-part-ii/#comment-592876 nonSGfan....there is nothing I can add. Late to the party as always, I am. :) nonSGfan….there is nothing I can add. Late to the party as always, I am. :)

]]> By: nonSGfan http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/06/breathy-singing-part-ii/#comment-592872 nonSGfan Fri, 08 Aug 2008 17:56:35 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/06/breathy-singing-part-ii/#comment-592872 The answer? 1 John 1:1, that which we have seen with our eyes, looked upon, and handled with our hands, of the word of life- that which we have seen and heard DECLARE we unto you. Not disguise, not water down, not make it "appealing", or "attractive", but DECLARE it. The gospel doesn't need our help, Preach it, live it, give it, and it will do the work. We dont have to wrap it tightly in every 9th Christian Hiphop song and try to put it into peoples minds through deceptive methods of appealing to the flesh. Its plain, its blunt, it's convicting, it's offensive, it's bloody, but to the lost it's direction, to the blind it's vision, to the thirsty it's WATER, to the hungry it's bread, to the distraught it's solice. ITS GOOD ENOUGH THE WAY IT IS. The GOSPEL that is. We have more "Methods" than we EVER HAVE, and less "CONVERSIONS", and In Africa, haiti, Jamaica, India Ect. They have LESS methods than ever, and MORE conversions. I've been, I can tell ya. America is a mission field. We need the TRUE power of a LIVING gospel presented in our music, not a mixed message of musical misery. Amen brother. The answer? 1 John 1:1, that which we have seen with our eyes, looked upon, and handled with our hands, of the word of life- that which we have seen and heard DECLARE we unto you. Not disguise, not water down, not make it “appealing”, or “attractive”, but DECLARE it. The gospel doesn’t need our help, Preach it, live it, give it, and it will do the work. We dont have to wrap it tightly in every 9th Christian Hiphop song and try to put it into peoples minds through deceptive methods of appealing to the flesh. Its plain, its blunt, it’s convicting, it’s offensive, it’s bloody, but to the lost it’s direction, to the blind it’s vision, to the thirsty it’s WATER, to the hungry it’s bread, to the distraught it’s solice. ITS GOOD ENOUGH THE WAY IT IS. The GOSPEL that is. We have more “Methods” than we EVER HAVE, and less “CONVERSIONS”, and In Africa, haiti, Jamaica, India Ect. They have LESS methods than ever, and MORE conversions. I’ve been, I can tell ya. America is a mission field. We need the TRUE power of a LIVING gospel presented in our music, not a mixed message of musical misery.
Amen brother.

]]> By: Fezzik http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/06/breathy-singing-part-ii/#comment-592863 Fezzik Fri, 08 Aug 2008 17:05:48 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/06/breathy-singing-part-ii/#comment-592863 So, what is the answer? Stand idly by and watch them rush to destruction, thankful for our fire insurance? Be warm and well fed. So, what is the answer? Stand idly by and watch them rush to destruction, thankful for our fire insurance?
Be warm and well fed.

]]> By: nonSGfan http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/06/breathy-singing-part-ii/#comment-592742 nonSGfan Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:56:57 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/06/breathy-singing-part-ii/#comment-592742 And don't tell me "1,000 kids made a decision for Christ at the last concert", because that is nothing. We don't make a decision for Christ, he makes a decision for us. And don’t tell me “1,000 kids made a decision for Christ at the last concert”, because that is nothing. We don’t make a decision for Christ, he makes a decision for us.

]]> By: nonSGfan http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/06/breathy-singing-part-ii/#comment-592739 nonSGfan Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:55:53 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/06/breathy-singing-part-ii/#comment-592739 Jeremy Carter is dead on. Also, I have to disagree with you Fezzik, show me PROOF that they are "making an impact for Christ". Look up the statistics in every city that these groups have performed in this year, and see if their is a statistical decline in Teen pregnancy, teen abortion, teen drug use, or suicide. SIN is still dominating because we're trying to FINISH in the flesh what we BEGAN in the spirit. We are saying things like "Well, we have to appeal to their wants, preferences, and carnal desires to get the message in". and MY agrument is.....ITS NOT WOOOORRKKIIIING!! Jeremy Carter is dead on. Also, I have to disagree with you Fezzik, show me PROOF that they are “making an impact for Christ”. Look up the statistics in every city that these groups have performed in this year, and see if their is a statistical decline in Teen pregnancy, teen abortion, teen drug use, or suicide. SIN is still dominating because we’re trying to FINISH in the flesh what we BEGAN in the spirit. We are saying things like “Well, we have to appeal to their wants, preferences, and carnal desires to get the message in”. and MY agrument is…..ITS NOT WOOOORRKKIIIING!!

]]> By: Jeremy Carter http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/06/breathy-singing-part-ii/#comment-592227 Jeremy Carter Fri, 08 Aug 2008 02:14:49 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/06/breathy-singing-part-ii/#comment-592227 Fezzik....that may be so. I'm not a real big fan of GBS either. My point is that the style they are using came from people with no respect for authority, or women and has continually pushed the envelope in the secular field to where our children are constantly bombarded with evil influences and is now mainstream "pop" music. I'm sure that some people thought the same way about the Statesmen Quartet back in the day but this goes beyond some subtle sexuality in their movements, etc. It is blatant in secular hip hop. I have no doubt those groups are genuine in their convictions, but appearances and impressions are hard to overcome. For 90% of people, if a young man pulled up beside you in a car and all you saw was his clothing style and heard his back window speakers thumping, you would never think of that as gospel music and would be hard pressed to pay attention (if you could hear them) to the lyrics. Yes I know that would be judging and profiling, etc but it is hard for a lot of people not to do it. In my mind, when we are convicted by Christ, we should change from the things that would make us like the world. Doesn't mean we have to listen to bad music, but I think it should be different than a music genre that kills each other, objectifies women and has bred a culture of uncooperative behavior.....just my $.02 Fezzik….that may be so. I’m not a real big fan of GBS either. My point is that the style they are using came from people with no respect for authority, or women and has continually pushed the envelope in the secular field to where our children are constantly bombarded with evil influences and is now mainstream “pop” music.

I’m sure that some people thought the same way about the Statesmen Quartet back in the day but this goes beyond some subtle sexuality in their movements, etc. It is blatant in secular hip hop.

I have no doubt those groups are genuine in their convictions, but appearances and impressions are hard to overcome. For 90% of people, if a young man pulled up beside you in a car and all you saw was his clothing style and heard his back window speakers thumping, you would never think of that as gospel music and would be hard pressed to pay attention (if you could hear them) to the lyrics. Yes I know that would be judging and profiling, etc but it is hard for a lot of people not to do it. In my mind, when we are convicted by Christ, we should change from the things that would make us like the world. Doesn’t mean we have to listen to bad music, but I think it should be different than a music genre that kills each other, objectifies women and has bred a culture of uncooperative behavior…..just my $.02

]]> By: Revpaul http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/06/breathy-singing-part-ii/#comment-591810 Revpaul Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:35:34 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/06/breathy-singing-part-ii/#comment-591810 "hiiiii nhhheeeeeed hhhhhyyouuuuhhhh" Well done. Reads and sounds like an old Welch dialect or maybe early Pawnee. :) “hiiiii nhhheeeeeed hhhhhyyouuuuhhhh”

Well done. Reads and sounds like an old Welch dialect or maybe early Pawnee.
:)

]]> By: Fezzik http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/06/breathy-singing-part-ii/#comment-591710 Fezzik Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:09:53 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/06/breathy-singing-part-ii/#comment-591710 Jeremy, Somehow I don't think George Beverly Shea is going to reach those kids in the hip-hop culture. Folks like T-Bone, Manafest, Othello, Verbs & TobyMac are reaching out and making an impact for Christ. I'm sure there are others that might even be doing more, but these are guys I've "conversated" with and can tell you they have a burden for the lost. We're all called to reach those in our circle of influence - let's not just give up on people because we don't approve or like the way they dress or act - Jesus is more than a "lily white" Savior. Jeremy,
Somehow I don’t think George Beverly Shea is going to reach those kids in the hip-hop culture. Folks like T-Bone, Manafest, Othello, Verbs & TobyMac are reaching out and making an impact for Christ. I’m sure there are others that might even be doing more, but these are guys I’ve “conversated” with and can tell you they have a burden for the lost. We’re all called to reach those in our circle of influence - let’s not just give up on people because we don’t approve or like the way they dress or act - Jesus is more than a “lily white” Savior.

]]> By: Leebob http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/06/breathy-singing-part-ii/#comment-591643 Leebob Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:19:06 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/06/breathy-singing-part-ii/#comment-591643 So THATS how we reach the lost!LOL!!! There is the breathy preacher too: "And the Lord-dah said-dah, Thou shalt-ah surely die-ah..." So THATS how we reach the lost!LOL!!! There is the breathy preacher too:

“And the Lord-dah said-dah, Thou shalt-ah surely die-ah…”

]]> By: David Bruce Murray http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/06/breathy-singing-part-ii/#comment-591636 David Bruce Murray Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:53:53 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/06/breathy-singing-part-ii/#comment-591636 It cuts both ways. There's an abundance of mediocrity in every genre. A station that programs "current hits" exclusively is going to demonstrate mediocrity more than a station that seeks out rare gems by artists who have a distinct sound. For every Randy Travis or Johnny Cash whose voice is immediately recognizable even if it's a new song you haven't heard before, there's a sea of Brad Paisley/Kenny Chesney/Trace Adkins and lesser recognizable names who sound nearly the same. Regarding the CCM "genre," I don't believe breathy singing is limited to conveying just one emotion (seduction), however. Two fans can hear the same song and come away with two entirely different responses. Like all art, the reaction of the fan is a matter of personal taste. What makes it "Christian" is the lyric...and yes, that goes for hip hop and loud rock music with lyrics you can't understand. If you start down the road of what the world is doing or has done with a particular genre, there's very little Christian music that could ever be acceptable. This goes back to personal taste. You may not understand the lyrics, but the fans of those styles do. With the same intensity you can't understand how such music could be Christian, they can't figure out why you like Southern Gospel. As I said initially, this cuts both ways. It cuts both ways.

There’s an abundance of mediocrity in every genre. A station that programs “current hits” exclusively is going to demonstrate mediocrity more than a station that seeks out rare gems by artists who have a distinct sound.

For every Randy Travis or Johnny Cash whose voice is immediately recognizable even if it’s a new song you haven’t heard before, there’s a sea of Brad Paisley/Kenny Chesney/Trace Adkins and lesser recognizable names who sound nearly the same.

Regarding the CCM “genre,” I don’t believe breathy singing is limited to conveying just one emotion (seduction), however. Two fans can hear the same song and come away with two entirely different responses. Like all art, the reaction of the fan is a matter of personal taste.

What makes it “Christian” is the lyric…and yes, that goes for hip hop and loud rock music with lyrics you can’t understand. If you start down the road of what the world is doing or has done with a particular genre, there’s very little Christian music that could ever be acceptable. This goes back to personal taste. You may not understand the lyrics, but the fans of those styles do. With the same intensity you can’t understand how such music could be Christian, they can’t figure out why you like Southern Gospel.

As I said initially, this cuts both ways.

]]> By: nonSGfan http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/06/breathy-singing-part-ii/#comment-591575 nonSGfan Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:15:21 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/06/breathy-singing-part-ii/#comment-591575 I am a little breathy when i sing, but I can ASSURE you it's not for the sake of sound, but because of my training. I personally just hate to hear it overdone. (i.e.) Chris Tomlin (ccm singer). Every note doesn't have to be airy, and breathy, it just gets annoying. I just personally believe alot of it IS to have an allure, a sensual grabbing at your mind. An unsaved person is more likely to STOP and listen to something saying " hiiiii nhhheeeeeed hhhhhyyouuuuhhhh", than "I Need you". LoL. I am a little breathy when i sing, but I can ASSURE you it’s not for the sake of sound, but because of my training. I personally just hate to hear it overdone. (i.e.) Chris Tomlin (ccm singer). Every note doesn’t have to be airy, and breathy, it just gets annoying. I just personally believe alot of it IS to have an allure, a sensual grabbing at your mind. An unsaved person is more likely to STOP and listen to something saying ” hiiiii nhhheeeeeed hhhhhyyouuuuhhhh”, than “I Need you”. LoL.

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