Comments on: That’s Him/You Don’t Know Me http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/27/thats-himyou-dont-know-me/ Criticism and commentary on southern gospel music Wed, 23 May 2012 16:58:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3 By: 2miles http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/27/thats-himyou-dont-know-me/#comment-624112 2miles Sun, 07 Sep 2008 02:33:38 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/27/thats-himyou-dont-know-me/#comment-624112 #41 - Thanks for the info...that actually makes me feel better knowing it was actually written before I wrote my "song". I always felt a little miffed that I "wrote" the song first...and someone else beat me to the punch...good song with a good message... #41 - Thanks for the info…that actually makes me feel better knowing it was actually written before I wrote my “song”. I always felt a little miffed that I “wrote” the song first…and someone else beat me to the punch…good song with a good message…

]]> By: Deron http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/27/thats-himyou-dont-know-me/#comment-623467 Deron Fri, 05 Sep 2008 23:35:07 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/27/thats-himyou-dont-know-me/#comment-623467 Is Doug ever going to come back? Is Doug ever going to come back?

]]> By: Glen Harlow http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/27/thats-himyou-dont-know-me/#comment-621639 Glen Harlow Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:08:15 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/27/thats-himyou-dont-know-me/#comment-621639 "Winner Either Way" was written by Laura Colston. I first heard the song by the Kindlers, that recorded for the Eddie Crook Company in late 80's, early 90's. “Winner Either Way” was written by Laura Colston. I first heard the song by the Kindlers, that recorded for the Eddie Crook Company in late 80’s, early 90’s.

]]> By: Trent http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/27/thats-himyou-dont-know-me/#comment-619980 Trent Wed, 03 Sep 2008 04:47:44 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/27/thats-himyou-dont-know-me/#comment-619980 #32, the group Standing Tall had that song "Winner Either Way" out long before the Inspirations. #32, the group Standing Tall had that song “Winner Either Way” out long before the Inspirations.

]]> By: 2miles http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/27/thats-himyou-dont-know-me/#comment-619069 2miles Tue, 02 Sep 2008 14:41:50 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/27/thats-himyou-dont-know-me/#comment-619069 Years ago I wrote a little song with this chorus... I'm a winner either way, whether I go or whether I stay, You can't tell me I'd be defeated if I died. And if I stay and all is well, to everyone my story I'll tell, It's plain to see that I would be a winner either way. Imagine my chagrin when a few years later I heard, what were practically my words (only slightly changed) coming through "The Gospel Greats" one Sunday morning...(that recording actually predated the Inspirations version)...you can only imagine how I felt when the Inspirations took the same song to #1... Talk about a missed opportunity... gmiles Years ago I wrote a little song with this chorus…

I’m a winner either way, whether I go or whether I stay,
You can’t tell me I’d be defeated if I died.
And if I stay and all is well, to everyone my story I’ll tell,
It’s plain to see that I would be a winner either way.

Imagine my chagrin when a few years later I heard, what were practically my words (only slightly changed) coming through “The Gospel Greats” one Sunday morning…(that recording actually predated the Inspirations version)…you can only imagine how I felt when the Inspirations took the same song to #1…

Talk about a missed opportunity…

gmiles

]]> By: Wade http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/27/thats-himyou-dont-know-me/#comment-618786 Wade Tue, 02 Sep 2008 06:53:18 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/27/thats-himyou-dont-know-me/#comment-618786 Ok BiG Joe that's a relief!! I was going to be bummed. Hope ALL had a FUN Labor Day Weekend!! Ok BiG Joe that’s a relief!! I was going to be bummed.

Hope ALL had a FUN Labor Day Weekend!!

]]> By: JCW http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/27/thats-himyou-dont-know-me/#comment-618502 JCW Mon, 01 Sep 2008 23:26:14 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/27/thats-himyou-dont-know-me/#comment-618502 I personally do not hear a great deal of similarity between the two songs mentioned in the original post. I will be glad to write out the chord chart for both songs, to prove my initial hesitation. I do see what Avery is saying though. As far as atmpospheric mood...yes, they both (I am speaking of his live version of the tune that was performed on the soundtrack to the movie) have the same "piano bar" type sound that is indicative of Ray's acoustic type ballads... harmonic progressions are fairly different...as are the melodic lines, and rhythms -----However, being a musician..my ears are pretty fine tuned to subtle nuances and things of that nature.......So, I can DEF. hear why someone would think that the two are similar......I let my wife hear the song and she could see the comparison.....which I cant. Regardless how similar it may sound or not sound....... The circle of 5ths is constant...and there are only so many ways to change chords and put a song together.... It is not at all odd for songs to have brief glimpses of other tunes in them....... Listen to Mahler for example..... He quotes himself time and time again...from his symphonies to his lieder.... lots of repetition and use of similar chordal motion....... Mozart did this alot as well...... He on several occasions used familiar melodic lines from arias or piano works as the main theme for operatic overtures. You will hear this as well in Verdi, Wagner, Rossini....etc....... As far as Southern Gospel.... I do hear this a lot......Someone mentioned "Great Big Wonderful God"....oh yeah that absolutely has a tease of "Frosty the Snowman"---no wonder we all think it sounds so catchy....... Bill Gaithers music has always had a familiar---folky sound to it....at least to my ear....... No coincidence. A familiar progression...or even a glimpse of a familiar progression can do for a song what nothing else can.....It is a way of forcing something "new" into someones ear with greater ease........ "Beyond the Open Door" by the Vocal Band was VERY "pop" for the time it came out....However, at the tail end...they throw in "Where He Leads Me I Will Follow" right out of the Hymnal...and just like that....You have a hit... Oh well... I didn't mean to beat a drum to death.... I just found the original post very insightful and wanted to comment....... Avery, thanks for your great topics!! I personally do not hear a great deal of similarity between the two songs mentioned in the original post. I will be glad to write out the chord chart for both songs, to prove my initial hesitation.

I do see what Avery is saying though. As far as atmpospheric mood…yes, they both (I am speaking of his live version of the tune that was performed on the soundtrack to the movie) have the same “piano bar” type sound that is indicative of Ray’s acoustic type ballads…

harmonic progressions are fairly different…as are the melodic lines, and rhythms

—–However, being a musician..my ears are pretty fine tuned to subtle nuances and things of that nature…….So, I can DEF. hear why someone would think that the two are similar……I let my wife hear the song and she could see the comparison…..which I cant.

Regardless how similar it may sound or not sound……. The circle of 5ths is constant…and there are only so many ways to change chords and put a song together…. It is not at all odd for songs to have brief glimpses of other tunes in them…….

Listen to Mahler for example….. He quotes himself time and time again…from his symphonies to his lieder…. lots of repetition and use of similar chordal motion……. Mozart did this alot as well…… He on several occasions used familiar melodic lines from arias or piano works as the main theme for operatic overtures. You will hear this as well in Verdi, Wagner, Rossini….etc…….

As far as Southern Gospel…. I do hear this a lot……Someone mentioned “Great Big Wonderful God”….oh yeah that absolutely has a tease of “Frosty the Snowman”—no wonder we all think it sounds so catchy……. Bill Gaithers music has always had a familiar—folky sound to it….at least to my ear…….

No coincidence. A familiar progression…or even a glimpse of a familiar progression can do for a song what nothing else can…..It is a way of forcing something “new” into someones ear with greater ease……..

“Beyond the Open Door” by the Vocal Band was VERY “pop” for the time it came out….However, at the tail end…they throw in “Where He Leads Me I Will Follow” right out of the Hymnal…and just like that….You have a hit…

Oh well… I didn’t mean to beat a drum to death…. I just found the original post very insightful and wanted to comment…….

Avery, thanks for your great topics!!

]]> By: Gimme SGM http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/27/thats-himyou-dont-know-me/#comment-618123 Gimme SGM Mon, 01 Sep 2008 14:21:46 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/27/thats-himyou-dont-know-me/#comment-618123 LOL #35 LOL #35

]]> By: Musicscribe Blog » Another Hoppers/The Ride Similarity http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/27/thats-himyou-dont-know-me/#comment-617582 Musicscribe Blog » Another Hoppers/The Ride Similarity Mon, 01 Sep 2008 04:52:16 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/27/thats-himyou-dont-know-me/#comment-617582 [...] Harrison at Averyfineline.com recently brought to light the similarity between the opening lines and chord structure of the Ray Charles classic “You [...] […] Harrison at Averyfineline.com recently brought to light the similarity between the opening lines and chord structure of the Ray Charles classic “You […]

]]> By: Joe http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/27/thats-himyou-dont-know-me/#comment-616233 Joe Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:14:26 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/27/thats-himyou-dont-know-me/#comment-616233 Nah, Wade- that was little joe. I swear that I don't swear. Nah, Wade- that was little joe. I swear that I don’t swear.

]]> By: BrandonS http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/27/thats-himyou-dont-know-me/#comment-616209 BrandonS Sat, 30 Aug 2008 19:16:18 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/27/thats-himyou-dont-know-me/#comment-616209 Here's the thing. When your a musician your one of two things. You're either a clever thief or a genius. There's not a lot of the latter out there. :) Here’s the thing. When your a musician your one of two things. You’re either a clever thief or a genius. There’s not a lot of the latter out there. :)

]]> By: Jeremy http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/27/thats-himyou-dont-know-me/#comment-616185 Jeremy Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:06:51 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/27/thats-himyou-dont-know-me/#comment-616185 I will have to go back and listen to the DVD and see if it is on there. I am not totally 100% sure either. I will have to go back and listen to the DVD and see if it is on there. I am not totally 100% sure either.

]]> By: quartet-man http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/27/thats-himyou-dont-know-me/#comment-616171 quartet-man Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:13:00 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/27/thats-himyou-dont-know-me/#comment-616171 I could be wrong, but I think I heard J.D. didn't realize he wrote the verses that way until someone pointed it out to him. I could be wrong, but I think I heard J.D. didn’t realize he wrote the verses that way until someone pointed it out to him.

]]> By: Jeremy http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/27/thats-himyou-dont-know-me/#comment-616169 Jeremy Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:57:37 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/27/thats-himyou-dont-know-me/#comment-616169 I think I heard JD saying once that he wrote the verses to The Old Country Church to the tune of Since Jesus Came Into My Heart on purpose. It was a way to get another old song, or at least melody, in there. I have a 5 DVD set of the Masters V with rare footage. 2 that are in the set are called The JD Sumner Story and the James Blackwood Story. I believe I heard him say it on one of those. I think I heard JD saying once that he wrote the verses to The Old Country Church to the tune of Since Jesus Came Into My Heart on purpose. It was a way to get another old song, or at least melody, in there. I have a 5 DVD set of the Masters V with rare footage. 2 that are in the set are called The JD Sumner Story and the James Blackwood Story. I believe I heard him say it on one of those.

]]> By: Wade http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/27/thats-himyou-dont-know-me/#comment-616145 Wade Sat, 30 Aug 2008 07:52:46 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/08/27/thats-himyou-dont-know-me/#comment-616145 wow is that Dr Joe swearing??? wow is that Dr Joe swearing???

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