Comments on: From the dept. of unintentional howlers http://averyfineline.com/2008/12/30/from-the-dept-of-unintentional-howlers/ Criticism and commentary on southern gospel music Wed, 23 May 2012 17:58:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3 By: Irishlad http://averyfineline.com/2008/12/30/from-the-dept-of-unintentional-howlers/#comment-761847 Irishlad Sat, 03 Jan 2009 15:56:16 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/12/30/from-the-dept-of-unintentional-howlers/#comment-761847 In N.Ireland all the gospel 'acts' are non-professional because we're not set up for it on many levels,yet,Scot Fowler commented that when he heard some of our talent he wondered why they (legacy 5) were even invited over. I know he was indulging but you get my drift i hope. In N.Ireland all the gospel ‘acts’ are non-professional because we’re not set up for it on many levels,yet,Scot Fowler commented that when he heard some of our talent he wondered why they (legacy 5) were even invited over. I know he was indulging but you get my drift i hope.

]]> By: Wade http://averyfineline.com/2008/12/30/from-the-dept-of-unintentional-howlers/#comment-761408 Wade Sat, 03 Jan 2009 10:25:03 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/12/30/from-the-dept-of-unintentional-howlers/#comment-761408 Kyle... yeah taking a chance on the martin's & ruppes was really stepping out on faith.lol I remember the first time I saw the Martins. It was in Greenville, SC at the old Greenville Memorial Auditorium at a gaither gathering one of the weeks that Buddy Mullins sang w/ The GVB was like WoW... those kids with crooked noses can sure BRING IT!!! You know if any of them, especially Jonathan, had ever got the nose fixed it would have messed with their blend. Always enjoyed your station when traveling through The State of Misery!!! I mean Missouri. SHOW ME STATE IS 4 REAL!!! Are you selling the artist and tune of your programming?? Cause I am telling you according to which tenor sing Gerald Wolfe has...(Still wondering WHICH 1 is Dr. DH's fav???) you might now know it is GV!!! We might not have renewed our subscription to the SN and not have the latest compilation CD as a PREMIUM!!!lol But probably able to recognize a Carol Robertson tune how ever threatening it may be. Grigs... the worst thing that came from making that tape for the local SGM Howler Station was it probably taped over AC/DC and your favorite Lover Boy tune!!! lol Speaking of Buddy Mullins, why does it seem he never sticks with anything very long??? Every Day Driven being the latest example. Kyle… yeah taking a chance on the martin’s & ruppes was really stepping out on faith.lol

I remember the first time I saw the Martins. It was in Greenville, SC at the old Greenville Memorial Auditorium at a gaither gathering one of the weeks that Buddy Mullins sang w/ The GVB was like WoW… those kids with crooked noses can sure BRING IT!!! You know if any of them, especially Jonathan, had ever got the nose fixed it would have messed with their blend.

Always enjoyed your station when traveling through The State of Misery!!! I mean Missouri. SHOW ME STATE IS 4 REAL!!! Are you selling the artist and tune of your programming?? Cause I am telling you according to which tenor sing Gerald Wolfe has…(Still wondering WHICH 1 is Dr. DH’s fav???) you might now know it is GV!!! We might not have renewed our subscription to the SN and not have the latest compilation CD as a PREMIUM!!!lol But probably able to recognize a Carol Robertson tune how ever threatening it may be.

Grigs… the worst thing that came from making that tape for the local SGM Howler Station was it probably taped over AC/DC and your favorite Lover Boy tune!!! lol

Speaking of Buddy Mullins, why does it seem he never sticks with anything very long??? Every Day Driven being the latest example.

]]> By: Grigs http://averyfineline.com/2008/12/30/from-the-dept-of-unintentional-howlers/#comment-761309 Grigs Sat, 03 Jan 2009 02:25:13 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/12/30/from-the-dept-of-unintentional-howlers/#comment-761309 Back in the early 90s, I loaned my "boom box" to a lady in the church that Dad pastored so that she and some friends could record a cassette for the local radio station's "local talent" program. Yes, it got airplay. Back in the early 90s, I loaned my “boom box” to a lady in the church that Dad pastored so that she and some friends could record a cassette for the local radio station’s “local talent” program. Yes, it got airplay.

]]> By: Kyle Dowden http://averyfineline.com/2008/12/30/from-the-dept-of-unintentional-howlers/#comment-761061 Kyle Dowden Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:38:19 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/12/30/from-the-dept-of-unintentional-howlers/#comment-761061 At KWFC, where I'm program director, we are quite picky about what we allow to be played. I'm willing to take a risk on a new "amature" artist if they have potential, but the majority of the time we are going to stick with the good-to-great the industry as to offer. That doesn't mean we're afraid to give new folks a try. We did this with the Ruppes way back in their start when no one else was picking them up. We also did this with First Love (wish they hadn't disbanded), despite the fact their album had several technical flaws. And, we gave a little known trio called The Martins their first radio break. Sorry for the shameless plugs. What I'm getting at is that sg's radio stations have to become picky about what they air. I believe one of the reasons you have a wealth of poor quality in the industry, "pro" or "amature," is because the new groups have tended to mimick what they've been exposed to. So, if it's junk on your local mom-and-pop sg station, then the bar is set pretty low. One of the things we did a while back here at KWFC was to actually establish the so-called "amature hour" on Sunday afternoons. The original idea was to showcase local talent. Over time we've relized that wasn't good enough. Since radio has such a huge influence over the development of local talent, we're revamping that program (with a time change to Sunday evenings) to feature the good "amatures" in our region. Yes, it'll limit the number of groups we play for now, but our hope is that eventually others will step up and put out a quality effort. That's the end of the shameless plugs, but before we leave the topic of local artists, be careful what you ask for. Some cities in the U.S. require their local radio stations to play certain percentages of local artists in their given genre. I'm sure that sounded like a good idea to some arts council somewhere, but it can be devastating to some genres. At KWFC, where I’m program director, we are quite picky about what we allow to be played. I’m willing to take a risk on a new “amature” artist if they have potential, but the majority of the time we are going to stick with the good-to-great the industry as to offer.

That doesn’t mean we’re afraid to give new folks a try. We did this with the Ruppes way back in their start when no one else was picking them up. We also did this with First Love (wish they hadn’t disbanded), despite the fact their album had several technical flaws. And, we gave a little known trio called The Martins their first radio break.

Sorry for the shameless plugs.

What I’m getting at is that sg’s radio stations have to become picky about what they air. I believe one of the reasons you have a wealth of poor quality in the industry, “pro” or “amature,” is because the new groups have tended to mimick what they’ve been exposed to. So, if it’s junk on your local mom-and-pop sg station, then the bar is set pretty low.

One of the things we did a while back here at KWFC was to actually establish the so-called “amature hour” on Sunday afternoons. The original idea was to showcase local talent. Over time we’ve relized that wasn’t good enough. Since radio has such a huge influence over the development of local talent, we’re revamping that program (with a time change to Sunday evenings) to feature the good “amatures” in our region. Yes, it’ll limit the number of groups we play for now, but our hope is that eventually others will step up and put out a quality effort.

That’s the end of the shameless plugs, but before we leave the topic of local artists, be careful what you ask for. Some cities in the U.S. require their local radio stations to play certain percentages of local artists in their given genre. I’m sure that sounded like a good idea to some arts council somewhere, but it can be devastating to some genres.

]]> By: apathetic http://averyfineline.com/2008/12/30/from-the-dept-of-unintentional-howlers/#comment-761037 apathetic Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:58:06 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/12/30/from-the-dept-of-unintentional-howlers/#comment-761037 I love it. "Uhm, isn’t most of every sixty-minute bloc of programming in sg radio pretty much amateur hour already, more or less?" No way! They aren't amateurs, they have a bus! LOL I love it. “Uhm, isn’t most of every sixty-minute bloc of programming in sg radio pretty much amateur hour already, more or less?” No way! They aren’t amateurs, they have a bus! LOL

]]> By: Wade http://averyfineline.com/2008/12/30/from-the-dept-of-unintentional-howlers/#comment-761008 Wade Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:07:34 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/12/30/from-the-dept-of-unintentional-howlers/#comment-761008 Hi Larry, It was late afternoon early evening of the Friday before Christmas. What was funny was, THANK GOD NO HOLY CRAP CHRISTMAS MUSIC!! The station was 102.7 WGUS I found the note I made while driving. I listened to right before Columbia to past Augusta, Ga. I do not like any stations who do not inform what the artist and tune that are playing. Most stations will not BACK SELL, which is tell the name AFTER the tune because of some kinda BS radio theory, that everything has to be MOVING FORWARD and not looking BACK. I am sure a CONSULTANT probably came up with this many years ago. But I always thought it was the best time to inform. Because that is WHEN PPL are listening for it. I would often come out of a song and say, "After this news from our sponsors I'll give ya the run down of the last and the next song set." Hopefully getting ppl to keep listening and getting them ACROSS the quarter hour WHILE INFORMING. ALL should be GOALS of the Station. Gawd, I hope I got all the periods, commas and spelling correctly. I am sure the Grammar Nazi with nothing better to do with their lives will chime in!!! Cheers in the New Years!!! Hi Larry,

It was late afternoon early evening of the Friday before Christmas. What was funny was, THANK GOD NO HOLY CRAP CHRISTMAS MUSIC!!

The station was 102.7 WGUS I found the note I made while driving.

I listened to right before Columbia to past Augusta, Ga.

I do not like any stations who do not inform what the artist and tune that are playing.

Most stations will not BACK SELL, which is tell the name AFTER the tune because of some kinda BS radio theory, that everything has to be MOVING FORWARD and not looking BACK. I am sure a CONSULTANT probably came up with this many years ago.

But I always thought it was the best time to inform. Because that is WHEN PPL are listening for it. I would often come out of a song and say, “After this news from our sponsors I’ll give ya the run down of the last and the next song set.” Hopefully getting ppl to keep listening and getting them ACROSS the quarter hour WHILE INFORMING. ALL should be GOALS of the Station.

Gawd, I hope I got all the periods, commas and spelling correctly. I am sure the Grammar Nazi with nothing better to do with their lives will chime in!!!

Cheers in the New Years!!!

]]> By: Phil Taylor http://averyfineline.com/2008/12/30/from-the-dept-of-unintentional-howlers/#comment-760753 Phil Taylor Fri, 02 Jan 2009 13:42:59 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/12/30/from-the-dept-of-unintentional-howlers/#comment-760753 The Columbia SC station may be fairly new. I lived in Newberry for 15 years and spent a lot of time in Columbia and don't remember a SG station... It's not just SG stations that don't mention artists or track titles. There is an adult contemporary/adult standard station in the area... Brooksville Fl. that encourages you to check out their web site to find out who artist was/is and the track title... one of the joys of automated radio. The Columbia SC station may be fairly new. I lived in Newberry for 15 years and spent a lot of time in Columbia and don’t remember a SG station…
It’s not just SG stations that don’t mention artists or track titles. There is an adult contemporary/adult standard station in the area… Brooksville Fl. that encourages you to check out their web site to find out who artist was/is and the track title… one of the joys of automated radio.

]]> By: Larry S http://averyfineline.com/2008/12/30/from-the-dept-of-unintentional-howlers/#comment-760267 Larry S Thu, 01 Jan 2009 16:55:39 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/12/30/from-the-dept-of-unintentional-howlers/#comment-760267 Hey Wade - what day of the week did you come through? I wonder if it was just a weekly show or something of that nature. I LIVE in Lexington (just outside of Columbia) and didn't even KNOW we had a SG radio station again. Par for the course... Hey Wade - what day of the week did you come through? I wonder if it was just a weekly show or something of that nature. I LIVE in Lexington (just outside of Columbia) and didn’t even KNOW we had a SG radio station again. Par for the course…

]]> By: Daniel J. Mount http://averyfineline.com/2008/12/30/from-the-dept-of-unintentional-howlers/#comment-760257 Daniel J. Mount Thu, 01 Jan 2009 13:19:09 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/12/30/from-the-dept-of-unintentional-howlers/#comment-760257 #9 - And there you have why I like the Inspirations, Primitives, and their ilk. :) #9 - And there you have why I like the Inspirations, Primitives, and their ilk. :)

]]> By: NS http://averyfineline.com/2008/12/30/from-the-dept-of-unintentional-howlers/#comment-760227 NS Thu, 01 Jan 2009 08:00:20 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/12/30/from-the-dept-of-unintentional-howlers/#comment-760227 You are correct Quartet man Austin Supermarket is alot like Aldi's, and its still up and running. You are correct Quartet man Austin Supermarket is alot like Aldi’s, and its still up and running.

]]> By: quartet-man http://averyfineline.com/2008/12/30/from-the-dept-of-unintentional-howlers/#comment-759455 quartet-man Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:40:03 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/12/30/from-the-dept-of-unintentional-howlers/#comment-759455 #8, I think it was probably Austin Supermarket. It was sort of like an Aldi's maybe? #8, I think it was probably Austin Supermarket. It was sort of like an Aldi’s maybe?

]]> By: Tom http://averyfineline.com/2008/12/30/from-the-dept-of-unintentional-howlers/#comment-759427 Tom Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:21:51 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/12/30/from-the-dept-of-unintentional-howlers/#comment-759427 Not to be overly contrarian, since I agree that there is too much amateurism in certain corners of sg radio–and perhaps even on the NQC stage (as suggested by the previous post). And I have no more interest in hearing the McKameys or the Inspos than the next sg fan. But it seems worth pointing out that the push for “professionalism” may be a matter of personal taste and interest. Of course, it all depends on what is meant by “professionalism” and “amateurism,” and I’d venture to bet that Avery’s criteria might differ from those of others who agree with his general complaint. Certainly we’ve all heard BAD gospel groups, but . . . . In some other genres of music, overly polished or over-produced music appeals primarily to the uncritical masses; the critics’ faves are certainly professional in many respects, but a raw or organic sound is seemingly preferable to something that is overly commercial due to over-production. There’s a decent market for garage bands in rock music from fans who eschew the banality of mainstream pop. Or there are fans of Tom Waits and the like--artists who may appeal only to a narrow segment of music fans. Why do the Wauhobs rank among the faves of many critically-acclaimed rock artists? What’s the parallel in sg? Isn't it possible that there are some people who appreciate the rawness of an unpolished performance? Of course, I have my own criteria for what I like to hear, but there are many times I'd prefer a bit more "rough around the edges" to the syrupy saccharine of some overly-polished sg. (That's also why I LOVE live sg bands and can't fully appreciate the move toward Memorex groups.) I'd sometimes rather hear a few off-key notes and a few wrong instrumental notes during the pursuit of a musical moment than to have everything polished to the point of sounding like Celine Dion. Not to be overly contrarian, since I agree that there is too much amateurism in certain corners of sg radio–and perhaps even on the NQC stage (as suggested by the previous post). And I have no more interest in hearing the McKameys or the Inspos than the next sg fan.
But it seems worth pointing out that the push for “professionalism” may be a matter of personal taste and interest. Of course, it all depends on what is meant by “professionalism” and “amateurism,” and I’d venture to bet that Avery’s criteria might differ from those of others who agree with his general complaint. Certainly we’ve all heard BAD gospel groups, but . . . .
In some other genres of music, overly polished or over-produced music appeals primarily to the uncritical masses; the critics’ faves are certainly professional in many respects, but a raw or organic sound is seemingly preferable to something that is overly commercial due to over-production. There’s a decent market for garage bands in rock music from fans who eschew the banality of mainstream pop. Or there are fans of Tom Waits and the like–artists who may appeal only to a narrow segment of music fans. Why do the Wauhobs rank among the faves of many critically-acclaimed rock artists?

What’s the parallel in sg? Isn’t it possible that there are some people who appreciate the rawness of an unpolished performance? Of course, I have my own criteria for what I like to hear, but there are many times I’d prefer a bit more “rough around the edges” to the syrupy saccharine of some overly-polished sg. (That’s also why I LOVE live sg bands and can’t fully appreciate the move toward Memorex groups.) I’d sometimes rather hear a few off-key notes and a few wrong instrumental notes during the pursuit of a musical moment than to have everything polished to the point of sounding like Celine Dion.

]]> By: Grigs http://averyfineline.com/2008/12/30/from-the-dept-of-unintentional-howlers/#comment-759412 Grigs Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:48:45 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/12/30/from-the-dept-of-unintentional-howlers/#comment-759412 #5, you're probably thinking of Morgan Foods or Austin Supermarket. #5, you’re probably thinking of Morgan Foods or Austin Supermarket.

]]> By: quartet-man http://averyfineline.com/2008/12/30/from-the-dept-of-unintentional-howlers/#comment-759370 quartet-man Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:51:58 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/12/30/from-the-dept-of-unintentional-howlers/#comment-759370 #6, the station I talked about says that why song titles and artists are not mentioned is one of their most frequent questions as I would suspect. #6, the station I talked about says that why song titles and artists are not mentioned is one of their most frequent questions as I would suspect.

]]> By: scope http://averyfineline.com/2008/12/30/from-the-dept-of-unintentional-howlers/#comment-759316 scope Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:15:27 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2008/12/30/from-the-dept-of-unintentional-howlers/#comment-759316 I have had numerous conversations with local DJs about not namin the song and artist. Their position is that people get tired of hearing so much talking. I begged them to do an experiment, and let the listeners judge, but no. The station is pretty good about the mix between professionals and non-professionals. I have had numerous conversations with local DJs about not namin the song and artist. Their position is that people get tired of hearing so much talking. I begged them to do an experiment, and let the listeners judge, but no. The station is pretty good about the mix between professionals and non-professionals.

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