Comments on: The new Old GVB in action http://averyfineline.com/2009/01/31/the-new-old-gvb-in-action/ Criticism and commentary on southern gospel music Wed, 23 May 2012 18:10:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3 By: Daniel http://averyfineline.com/2009/01/31/the-new-old-gvb-in-action/#comment-1131411 Daniel Mon, 10 May 2010 22:40:31 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/01/31/the-new-old-gvb-in-action/#comment-1131411 I saw Michael English a few months ago in a nearby town. I have promised myself that since he is rejoining the GVB that I would not but anymore of their CD's. I was very disappointed and left in the middle of his concert. It was just before that he rejoined GVB. I saw Michael English a few months ago in a nearby town. I have promised myself that since he is rejoining the GVB that I would not but anymore of their CD’s. I was very disappointed and left in the middle of his concert. It was just before that he rejoined GVB.

]]> By: Tim http://averyfineline.com/2009/01/31/the-new-old-gvb-in-action/#comment-877977 Tim Wed, 22 Apr 2009 02:14:03 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/01/31/the-new-old-gvb-in-action/#comment-877977 Does anyone here know any of the guys in the vocal band? .....well.........I do. Trust me on that. ... So from a a sincere stand point, you never know. Only what the camera wants you to see on a personal level. I'm not bashing ANYONE past or present in the VB; but if you don't "really" know.....you don't know. Only what YOU want to think........Soooo.... from a vocal standpoint. Michael English is two in a million. (I won't mention the other, but he knows. : ) ))) Period. The studio can do wonders; but what about live? If you are a student of vocals you understand. Phelps is amazing as well.....the dynamics of the new group are on the cutting edge and worth the listen... Trust me; at 40 years old and a firefighter the last thing I would be looking for is an "internet fight"....but I just ask you to listen, listen carefully........how ever God speaks to you through the ministry of the VB is personal and a deep connection. Respect the same for others that may disagree with ability, as I do you...... Much love in Christ....in the end we will all sing on that Glorious day! : ) Tim Does anyone here know any of the guys in the vocal band? …..well………I do. Trust me on that. … So from a a sincere stand point, you never know. Only what the camera wants you to see on a personal level. I’m not bashing ANYONE past or present in the VB; but if you don’t “really” know…..you don’t know. Only what YOU want to think……..Soooo….

from a vocal standpoint. Michael English is two in a million. (I won’t mention the other, but he knows. : ) ))) Period. The studio can do wonders; but what about live? If you are a student of vocals you understand. Phelps is amazing as well…..the dynamics of the new group are on the cutting edge and worth the listen…

Trust me; at 40 years old and a firefighter the last thing I would be looking for is an “internet fight”….but I just ask you to listen, listen carefully……..how ever God speaks to you through the ministry of the VB is personal and a deep connection. Respect the same for others that may disagree with ability, as I do you……

Much love in Christ….in the end we will all sing on that Glorious day! : )

Tim

]]> By: Andy http://averyfineline.com/2009/01/31/the-new-old-gvb-in-action/#comment-827658 Andy Mon, 02 Mar 2009 20:33:41 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/01/31/the-new-old-gvb-in-action/#comment-827658 If you listen to the youtube video... Guy Penrod is all over some of that, especially At The Cross. Come on... you have a live band... and soundtracks with stacked vocals... Just let them sing! David and Mark are the only good ones in the group now, anyway. I think Wes is a wannabe... and English is washed up! If you listen to the youtube video… Guy Penrod is all over some of that, especially At The Cross. Come on… you have a live band… and soundtracks with stacked vocals… Just let them sing! David and Mark are the only good ones in the group now, anyway. I think Wes is a wannabe… and English is washed up!

]]> By: quartet-man http://averyfineline.com/2009/01/31/the-new-old-gvb-in-action/#comment-796190 quartet-man Fri, 06 Feb 2009 03:40:22 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/01/31/the-new-old-gvb-in-action/#comment-796190 #18 DarrenK. I have some thoughts on that. I won't say that I know for sure, so buyer beware. ;-) First, God gets a lot of "credit" for things that aren't necessarily Him. Second, sometimes He wants one thing, but we aren't tuned in enough to hear His voice. Sometimes we confuse our wants with His will. Third, sometimes maybe God wants someone to go solo to reach other people, to develop their skills and become better at singing, staging, emceeing, communication etc. Fourth, maybe people get to a point in their careers where they want or need to schedule their concerts to be with children, to a place where in their walk that they are "trained" to go off on their own and form their own ministry. Fifth, sometimes He might even mean for a person to leave a group because someone else either needs to be in that group, the group needs them etc. For instance, had Steve Green, Gary McSpadden and Lee Young stayed with the Vocal Band and were still in it today, where would all of the subsequent members be? They may not have gotten the exposure, the training, or ministered to as many had the original guys not left. God is just smart enough to know how it all works out and to work it all out for good. Now, I am not to say every change is in God's will, My first reasons should say that. However, it isn't beyond Him to have a purpose different than what we might like or want or think is best. #18 DarrenK. I have some thoughts on that. I won’t say that I know for sure, so buyer beware. ;-)

First, God gets a lot of “credit” for things that aren’t necessarily Him.

Second, sometimes He wants one thing, but we aren’t tuned in enough to hear His voice. Sometimes we confuse our wants with His will.

Third, sometimes maybe God wants someone to go solo to reach other people, to develop their skills and become better at singing, staging, emceeing, communication etc.

Fourth, maybe people get to a point in their careers where they want or need to schedule their concerts to be with children, to a place where in their walk that they are “trained” to go off on their own and form their own ministry.

Fifth, sometimes He might even mean for a person to leave a group because someone else either needs to be in that group, the group needs them etc. For instance, had Steve Green, Gary McSpadden and Lee Young stayed with the Vocal Band and were still in it today, where would all of the subsequent members be? They may not have gotten the exposure, the training, or ministered to as many had the original guys not left.

God is just smart enough to know how it all works out and to work it all out for good.

Now, I am not to say every change is in God’s will, My first reasons should say that. However, it isn’t beyond Him to have a purpose different than what we might like or want or think is best.

]]> By: DMP http://averyfineline.com/2009/01/31/the-new-old-gvb-in-action/#comment-795608 DMP Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:03:01 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/01/31/the-new-old-gvb-in-action/#comment-795608 It's almost like God can't make up his mind... It’s almost like God can’t make up his mind…

]]> By: Auke http://averyfineline.com/2009/01/31/the-new-old-gvb-in-action/#comment-794781 Auke Thu, 05 Feb 2009 08:43:02 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/01/31/the-new-old-gvb-in-action/#comment-794781 to the last commentor...i always grew suspicious of the socalled 'calling' to go solo....for a lot it just didn't work out well enough to keep the chimney smoking. I think the new GVB is living proof of that....don't get me wrong if singers feel the need to do their own thing so to speak...blessings from me they'll have. I can relate (as a Qt singer) to the need to do solo stuff, not only to showcase your singing, but to have creative control over your own thing, picking the songs you feel 100% good about, arranging them to your range and taste..and so on. I would love to hear Gold City's line up that the previous poster mentioned. However having said that...i think we're in desparate need of an new original group...with fresh material...cause we're going around in circles lately in all of SGM. A group like Chosen Few was very promising...they had it all...Crossway was doing good at first too... Why does a creative,innovative group like Valor not fully develop into 'superstar status'? They sure are great...but i guess that's the way in SGM. So now again my hopes are set on this man named Bill Gaither...pleaaasseee Bill suprise us not only with a new line up..but with new quality material...get a great producer, different musicians, other writers....and please don't do remakes no more. Now is the times to proof all ppl wrong who say SG songs all sound the same...i defended it a long time by saying ''naaahhh it's really a different song, take note of the subtle differences etc..but i can no longer do that..cause they're right! Auke to the last commentor…i always grew suspicious of the socalled ‘calling’ to go solo….for a lot it just didn’t work out well enough to keep the chimney smoking.
I think the new GVB is living proof of that….don’t get me wrong if singers feel the need to do their own thing so to speak…blessings from me they’ll have.
I can relate (as a Qt singer) to the need to do solo stuff, not only to showcase your singing, but to have creative control over your own thing, picking the songs you feel 100% good about, arranging them to your range and taste..and so on.
I would love to hear Gold City’s line up that the previous poster mentioned.
However having said that…i think we’re in desparate need of an new original group…with fresh material…cause we’re going around in circles lately in all of SGM.
A group like Chosen Few was very promising…they had it all…Crossway was doing good at first too…
Why does a creative,innovative group like Valor not fully develop into ’superstar status’? They sure are great…but i guess that’s the way in SGM.
So now again my hopes are set on this man named Bill Gaither…pleaaasseee Bill suprise us not only with a new line up..but with new quality material…get a great producer, different musicians, other writers….and please don’t do remakes no more.
Now is the times to proof all ppl wrong who say SG songs all sound the same…i defended it a long time by saying ”naaahhh it’s really a different song, take note of the subtle differences etc..but i can no longer do that..cause they’re right!

Auke

]]> By: nonsgfan http://averyfineline.com/2009/01/31/the-new-old-gvb-in-action/#comment-794760 nonsgfan Thu, 05 Feb 2009 04:08:27 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/01/31/the-new-old-gvb-in-action/#comment-794760 http://youtube.com/watch?v=rTeF_HOSu0g O YES you guys, the new GVB sound SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO awful............... Not. http://youtube.com/watch?v=rTeF_HOSu0g

O YES you guys, the new GVB sound SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO awful……………

Not.

]]> By: DarrenK http://averyfineline.com/2009/01/31/the-new-old-gvb-in-action/#comment-794495 DarrenK Wed, 04 Feb 2009 19:10:29 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/01/31/the-new-old-gvb-in-action/#comment-794495 Did you ever wonder what EH&SS the Gaithers and other top groups would sound like in concert without stacks their entire concert? I realize you still have to sing but as the critic stated, the stacks were hot enough they should have covered a multitude of errors. I will be honest the only rerun of singers through a group that I am waiting for is Brian, Ivan, Mike and Tim. Why does God call so many into solo ministry then call them back into group ministry? I have never been able to understand that one. Did you ever wonder what EH&SS the Gaithers and other top groups would sound like in concert without stacks their entire concert? I realize you still have to sing but as the critic stated, the stacks were hot enough they should have covered a multitude of errors.

I will be honest the only rerun of singers through a group that I am waiting for is Brian, Ivan, Mike and Tim.

Why does God call so many into solo ministry then call them back into group ministry? I have never been able to understand that one.

]]> By: DMP http://averyfineline.com/2009/01/31/the-new-old-gvb-in-action/#comment-792695 DMP Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:31:04 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/01/31/the-new-old-gvb-in-action/#comment-792695 You know, for all of the whining on here, you wouldn't know that they sounded great. YouTube is full of videos from the show, and I think you’d be hard pressed to find much fault. It’s good stuff. You know, for all of the whining on here, you wouldn’t know that they sounded great. YouTube is full of videos from the show, and I think you’d be hard pressed to find much fault. It’s good stuff.

]]> By: quartet-man http://averyfineline.com/2009/01/31/the-new-old-gvb-in-action/#comment-792682 quartet-man Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:16:15 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/01/31/the-new-old-gvb-in-action/#comment-792682 #15, I have heard before that Bill calls out songs that sometimes weren't even on the list of ones to rehearse (or something similar.) I seem to remember reading or hearing that after Guy and Mark joined ( two separate incidents) where Bill called out songs not known or practiced. In Guy's case, he had the melody, but muddled through. In Mark's case he said he just did the "watermelon" (I think) thing where he just moved his mouth. :-) #15, I have heard before that Bill calls out songs that sometimes weren’t even on the list of ones to rehearse (or something similar.) I seem to remember reading or hearing that after Guy and Mark joined ( two separate incidents) where Bill called out songs not known or practiced. In Guy’s case, he had the melody, but muddled through. In Mark’s case he said he just did the “watermelon” (I think) thing where he just moved his mouth. :-)

]]> By: Hello? http://averyfineline.com/2009/01/31/the-new-old-gvb-in-action/#comment-792575 Hello? Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:07:37 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/01/31/the-new-old-gvb-in-action/#comment-792575 It's Bill Gaither's job to rehearse the songs he's going to use in upcoming concerts. The GVB guys didn't HAVE to learn 100 songs in 2 days. They only had to learn the songs they would be using. However, if Bill didn't make those decisions ahead, if he failed to prepare his artists, and threw surprises at them, que sera sera. It’s Bill Gaither’s job to rehearse the songs he’s going to use in upcoming concerts. The GVB guys didn’t HAVE to learn 100 songs in 2 days. They only had to learn the songs they would be using.

However, if Bill didn’t make those decisions ahead, if he failed to prepare his artists, and threw surprises at them, que sera sera.

]]> By: GrandmaPam http://averyfineline.com/2009/01/31/the-new-old-gvb-in-action/#comment-792489 GrandmaPam Mon, 02 Feb 2009 14:06:40 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/01/31/the-new-old-gvb-in-action/#comment-792489 Mike has always had trouble with the lyrics. It's nothing new. I wouldn't care if he had to stand there with the lyrics in his hands, just as long as he's singing. Janet's comment in #10 is exactly right--there's no doubt that God had His hand in this. I'm grateful beyond measure for what He's done in this situation, and I'll leave it to others to critique the performances. Mike has always had trouble with the lyrics. It’s nothing new. I wouldn’t care if he had to stand there with the lyrics in his hands, just as long as he’s singing.

Janet’s comment in #10 is exactly right–there’s no doubt that God had His hand in this. I’m grateful beyond measure for what He’s done in this situation, and I’ll leave it to others to critique the performances.

]]> By: Tom Kirby http://averyfineline.com/2009/01/31/the-new-old-gvb-in-action/#comment-792441 Tom Kirby Mon, 02 Feb 2009 12:45:39 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/01/31/the-new-old-gvb-in-action/#comment-792441 I was at the North Charleston Saturday night concert held in a beautiful venue, the performing arts center; therefore not in the round. Great sound and a great concert. Michael did have problems with some of the lyrics; however, David and Wes covered for him in these few instances. David is so talented he can cover for anyone!!!! All in all, and even though I hated to see Marshall Hall leave, the 2 1/2 hour drive was well worth it. Another incredible Gaither gathering. I was at the North Charleston Saturday night concert held in a beautiful venue, the performing arts center; therefore not in the round. Great sound and a great concert. Michael did have problems with some of the lyrics; however, David and Wes covered for him in these few instances. David is so talented he can cover for anyone!!!! All in all, and even though I hated to see Marshall Hall leave, the 2 1/2 hour drive was well worth it. Another incredible Gaither gathering.

]]> By: Auke http://averyfineline.com/2009/01/31/the-new-old-gvb-in-action/#comment-791810 Auke Sun, 01 Feb 2009 09:49:44 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/01/31/the-new-old-gvb-in-action/#comment-791810 I agree 100% with Janet and Noah Vaughn...2 days of rehearsing...that's not much...for anyone. So give everyone in the vocal band a break...and let's say we'll look at them in say a six month period...and please then to leave the magnifying glass at home. These aren't singers..these are ppl. Auke I agree 100% with Janet and Noah Vaughn…2 days of rehearsing…that’s not much…for anyone.
So give everyone in the vocal band a break…and let’s say we’ll look at them in say a six month period…and please then to leave the magnifying glass at home. These aren’t singers..these are ppl.

Auke

]]> By: russell http://averyfineline.com/2009/01/31/the-new-old-gvb-in-action/#comment-791600 russell Sun, 01 Feb 2009 03:40:31 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/01/31/the-new-old-gvb-in-action/#comment-791600 I was at the Huntsville concert. I didn't know what to expect. I will tell you that I had no thoughts of going until the changes were announced. It is obvious that this is a work in progress. I have been to several Gaither concerts that seemed "staged" or too polished or whatever you want to call it. I will say I was surprised at a couple of things. The guys struggled with their ear monitors all night long. I would have thought that sound check would have set the levels better than that. I was also surprised that there were not video monitors on the stage with the lyrics on them. To me this would have been a no brainer with the guys coming back on such short notice. It's not like he doesn't have the resources. This night was not like that at all. It was fun, and you could tell that the guys were having fun. Is it going to get more polished? Sure it is. Is Mark going to change the dynamics of the concerts? Well in addition to taking some of the comedic stuff off of Kevin and Rory, he can flat out sing. During part of the night Bill sat on the drum riser and sang his part or just listened. I think that this will be more and more what he does. If the Vocal Band records new songs and puts the GVB touch on them they will enjoy continued success. In addition, I have to say that EH&SS changed my opinion of them. I am not one to go for all the "staging" that they do, but them boys can flat out sing. I was at the Huntsville concert. I didn’t know what to expect. I will tell you that I had no thoughts of going until the changes were announced. It is obvious that this is a work in progress. I have been to several Gaither concerts that seemed “staged” or too polished or whatever you want to call it. I will say I was surprised at a couple of things. The guys struggled with their ear monitors all night long. I would have thought that sound check would have set the levels better than that. I was also surprised that there were not video monitors on the stage with the lyrics on them. To me this would have been a no brainer with the guys coming back on such short notice. It’s not like he doesn’t have the resources. This night was not like that at all. It was fun, and you could tell that the guys were having fun. Is it going to get more polished? Sure it is. Is Mark going to change the dynamics of the concerts? Well in addition to taking some of the comedic stuff off of Kevin and Rory, he can flat out sing. During part of the night Bill sat on the drum riser and sang his part or just listened. I think that this will be more and more what he does. If the Vocal Band records new songs and puts the GVB touch on them they will enjoy continued success. In addition, I have to say that EH&SS changed my opinion of them. I am not one to go for all the “staging” that they do, but them boys can flat out sing.

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