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	<title>Comments on: Fame, fallibility, and gospel misfits</title>
	<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/02/26/fame-fragility-and-misfits/</link>
	<description>Criticism and commentary on southern gospel music</description>
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		<title>By: wackythinker</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/02/26/fame-fragility-and-misfits/#comment-854825</link>
		<dc:creator>wackythinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/02/26/fame-fragility-and-misfits/#comment-854825</guid>
		<description>JL  -- No, only those sinners who ASK to be saved are saved by grace.

And it's "prodigal", but we knew what you meant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JL  &#8212; No, only those sinners who ASK to be saved are saved by grace.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s &#8220;prodigal&#8221;, but we knew what you meant.</p>
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		<title>By: JL</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/02/26/fame-fragility-and-misfits/#comment-853745</link>
		<dc:creator>JL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 13:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/02/26/fame-fragility-and-misfits/#comment-853745</guid>
		<description>All sinners are saved by grace.
All prodicals are welcomed by the Father when they come to themselves and come back home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All sinners are saved by grace.<br />
All prodicals are welcomed by the Father when they come to themselves and come back home.</p>
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		<title>By: JR</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/02/26/fame-fragility-and-misfits/#comment-841411</link>
		<dc:creator>JR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/02/26/fame-fragility-and-misfits/#comment-841411</guid>
		<description>Probably a longer word like SAMARITAN!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably a longer word like SAMARITAN!</p>
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		<title>By: wackythinker</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/02/26/fame-fragility-and-misfits/#comment-841325</link>
		<dc:creator>wackythinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/02/26/fame-fragility-and-misfits/#comment-841325</guid>
		<description>JR--  I think you're right about Jesus and his thumb.  He never did anything by accident.  But what about Joseph?  What would his deleted explitive have been?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JR&#8211;  I think you&#8217;re right about Jesus and his thumb.  He never did anything by accident.  But what about Joseph?  What would his deleted explitive have been?</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Peters</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/02/26/fame-fragility-and-misfits/#comment-839397</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/02/26/fame-fragility-and-misfits/#comment-839397</guid>
		<description>JR (66)  That was a sligh one.  Your sarcasm is duly noted.  Whacky Thinker (65) Old Harry Peters believes Jesus was fully human and fully God.  However, old Harry Peters doesn't think an occasional "hell" or "damn" is a sin either.  Never found the verse in the bible that railed "agin" it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JR (66)  That was a sligh one.  Your sarcasm is duly noted.  Whacky Thinker (65) Old Harry Peters believes Jesus was fully human and fully God.  However, old Harry Peters doesn&#8217;t think an occasional &#8220;hell&#8221; or &#8220;damn&#8221; is a sin either.  Never found the verse in the bible that railed &#8220;agin&#8221; it.</p>
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		<title>By: JR</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/02/26/fame-fragility-and-misfits/#comment-838817</link>
		<dc:creator>JR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 02:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/02/26/fame-fragility-and-misfits/#comment-838817</guid>
		<description>wackythinker: Jesus was perfect! He most certainly NEVER hit his thumb with a hammer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wackythinker: Jesus was perfect! He most certainly NEVER hit his thumb with a hammer!</p>
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		<title>By: wackythinker</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/02/26/fame-fragility-and-misfits/#comment-838310</link>
		<dc:creator>wackythinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/02/26/fame-fragility-and-misfits/#comment-838310</guid>
		<description>Harry,  I'm not sure how we got off on this tangent, but do you think the Christmas carol is correct, when talking about baby Jesus, it says, "No crying He makes"?  I tend to believe he was more human than that.  He probably cried and pooped and everthing else a human does.

And, in Joseph's carpenter shop, did Jesus ever hit his thumb with a hammer?  And if so, what was his verbal reaction?

There I go, being wacky, again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry,  I&#8217;m not sure how we got off on this tangent, but do you think the Christmas carol is correct, when talking about baby Jesus, it says, &#8220;No crying He makes&#8221;?  I tend to believe he was more human than that.  He probably cried and pooped and everthing else a human does.</p>
<p>And, in Joseph&#8217;s carpenter shop, did Jesus ever hit his thumb with a hammer?  And if so, what was his verbal reaction?</p>
<p>There I go, being wacky, again.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Peters</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/02/26/fame-fragility-and-misfits/#comment-837503</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/02/26/fame-fragility-and-misfits/#comment-837503</guid>
		<description>Reminds old Harry Peters idea to write a song.  The hook is going to be, Santa, the Easter Bunny, Sweet Baby Jesus and Ground Hog's Day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds old Harry Peters idea to write a song.  The hook is going to be, Santa, the Easter Bunny, Sweet Baby Jesus and Ground Hog&#8217;s Day.</p>
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		<title>By: quartet-man</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/02/26/fame-fragility-and-misfits/#comment-834784</link>
		<dc:creator>quartet-man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 04:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/02/26/fame-fragility-and-misfits/#comment-834784</guid>
		<description>#63 WT, I am only talking about the ones who listen and believe there isn't one............we both know the truth. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#63 WT, I am only talking about the ones who listen and believe there isn&#8217;t one&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;we both know the truth. <img src='http://averyfineline.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: wackythinker</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/02/26/fame-fragility-and-misfits/#comment-834310</link>
		<dc:creator>wackythinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/02/26/fame-fragility-and-misfits/#comment-834310</guid>
		<description>Quartet-man -- What are you trying to say about Santa?;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quartet-man &#8212; What are you trying to say about Santa?;-)</p>
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		<title>By: quartet-man</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/02/26/fame-fragility-and-misfits/#comment-833700</link>
		<dc:creator>quartet-man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 23:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/02/26/fame-fragility-and-misfits/#comment-833700</guid>
		<description>Sorry about the typos above. I know better the repeated word got lost in the page as it scrolled I think and the others I guess were my fingers not keeping up with my brain or vice versa. ;-)

61. Wade, Oh man, you have me going back to re-read my post to make sure what I typed since you agreed with me LOL.  ;) ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about the typos above. I know better the repeated word got lost in the page as it scrolled I think and the others I guess were my fingers not keeping up with my brain or vice versa. <img src='http://averyfineline.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>61. Wade, Oh man, you have me going back to re-read my post to make sure what I typed since you agreed with me LOL.  <img src='http://averyfineline.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Wade</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/02/26/fame-fragility-and-misfits/#comment-833340</link>
		<dc:creator>Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 12:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/02/26/fame-fragility-and-misfits/#comment-833340</guid>
		<description>You are amazing QMAN!! Love ya....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are amazing QMAN!! Love ya&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: quartet-man</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/02/26/fame-fragility-and-misfits/#comment-832492</link>
		<dc:creator>quartet-man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/02/26/fame-fragility-and-misfits/#comment-832492</guid>
		<description>I think some people enjoy hearing the music for the style of it. On the Oaks board there was an atheist who enjoyed the Oaks gospel music. He enjoyed the performance, voices, and the style. So, it is possible. I guess it would be like us liking a performance or style of secular music whose lyrics promote something in which we don't agree with. Perhaps a better example would be liking kiddie songs that are about cartoon cartoon characters that don't exist. Maybe even Christmas songs about Santa.

As far as the other, it has been my experience that people often only look at one side of God. Some see the side of justice, law and works while others the side of grace  However, both sides exist.  God set laws and those are still true (I am excluding the laws about sacrifices and the like which were replaced.) We couldn't measure up to all of the laws and live spotless, sinless lives which is where Christ and grace come in.

However, many use grace as a catch all to basically say that we accept Christ and then can go on our merry way, do what we want, and have the get out of hell free card. Although God knows we can never be perfect on our own, He also can make us more like Him, but we have to do our part. He won't force us. He gives us free will. 

As far as spiritualizing things here, I think once again  there are those who only see one side of it. Of course God made all and is everywhere. However, one side seems to want to remove God totally from the conversation while another wants to put him in every situation. Now, I am not about to say that God should be removed from any aspect of our lives, but I don't know if we should force Him into things. I doubt if He cares which style of music we like the best, or what style of clothes we buy (modesty aside.) I guess one way that I think God gets included here that is not necessary is when someone critiques the art that the performer puts out and is lambasted as if they are attacking the performer's standing with Christ, their intentions, or even the message itself. I don't have any reason to doubt the sincerity of the say the Inspirations or McKameys, but face it, performances by either do not stand up to the quality of the Gaither Vocal Band, Gold City, or probably most of the those in the "professional" side of the industry,
The most authentic, well-intended, super Christian can sing off key, with poor quality and some cannot sing at all. This doesn't diminish them as people, Christians or their effectiveness at leading people to Christ. Their lack of talent in singing might prevent them from reaching people with music (here I am not talking about the McKameys or Inspos, because they aren't horrible, here I am talking about those who cannot sing a note or have a three note range.) Of course, the message contained is still true and God is more than able to speak through them, he did through a donkey for goodness sake.

However, generally, the package it is wrapped in is what first attracts people to the message. If the best lyrics known to man has a horrible melody, with lousy instrumentation and sung with no semblance of pitch or quality people will likely not stick around long enough to hear the message. It would be like having a diamond ring in the middle of cow dung. Unless someone knows it is there, they aren't sticking around long enough to go looking for it. That, coupled with the fact that when music is payed for, or even within earshot of people, they have a right to critique it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think some people enjoy hearing the music for the style of it. On the Oaks board there was an atheist who enjoyed the Oaks gospel music. He enjoyed the performance, voices, and the style. So, it is possible. I guess it would be like us liking a performance or style of secular music whose lyrics promote something in which we don&#8217;t agree with. Perhaps a better example would be liking kiddie songs that are about cartoon cartoon characters that don&#8217;t exist. Maybe even Christmas songs about Santa.</p>
<p>As far as the other, it has been my experience that people often only look at one side of God. Some see the side of justice, law and works while others the side of grace  However, both sides exist.  God set laws and those are still true (I am excluding the laws about sacrifices and the like which were replaced.) We couldn&#8217;t measure up to all of the laws and live spotless, sinless lives which is where Christ and grace come in.</p>
<p>However, many use grace as a catch all to basically say that we accept Christ and then can go on our merry way, do what we want, and have the get out of hell free card. Although God knows we can never be perfect on our own, He also can make us more like Him, but we have to do our part. He won&#8217;t force us. He gives us free will. </p>
<p>As far as spiritualizing things here, I think once again  there are those who only see one side of it. Of course God made all and is everywhere. However, one side seems to want to remove God totally from the conversation while another wants to put him in every situation. Now, I am not about to say that God should be removed from any aspect of our lives, but I don&#8217;t know if we should force Him into things. I doubt if He cares which style of music we like the best, or what style of clothes we buy (modesty aside.) I guess one way that I think God gets included here that is not necessary is when someone critiques the art that the performer puts out and is lambasted as if they are attacking the performer&#8217;s standing with Christ, their intentions, or even the message itself. I don&#8217;t have any reason to doubt the sincerity of the say the Inspirations or McKameys, but face it, performances by either do not stand up to the quality of the Gaither Vocal Band, Gold City, or probably most of the those in the &#8220;professional&#8221; side of the industry,<br />
The most authentic, well-intended, super Christian can sing off key, with poor quality and some cannot sing at all. This doesn&#8217;t diminish them as people, Christians or their effectiveness at leading people to Christ. Their lack of talent in singing might prevent them from reaching people with music (here I am not talking about the McKameys or Inspos, because they aren&#8217;t horrible, here I am talking about those who cannot sing a note or have a three note range.) Of course, the message contained is still true and God is more than able to speak through them, he did through a donkey for goodness sake.</p>
<p>However, generally, the package it is wrapped in is what first attracts people to the message. If the best lyrics known to man has a horrible melody, with lousy instrumentation and sung with no semblance of pitch or quality people will likely not stick around long enough to hear the message. It would be like having a diamond ring in the middle of cow dung. Unless someone knows it is there, they aren&#8217;t sticking around long enough to go looking for it. That, coupled with the fact that when music is payed for, or even within earshot of people, they have a right to critique it.</p>
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		<title>By: Wade</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/02/26/fame-fragility-and-misfits/#comment-831035</link>
		<dc:creator>Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/02/26/fame-fragility-and-misfits/#comment-831035</guid>
		<description>Well said JLL... maybe dr. joe blow, SgFan and the likes will stop preaching and talk about the music without THAT ACCUSATORY Tone!!

They think that if you don't beat ppl over the head with the bible and get saved every Sunday when you sin that you should not be allowed to comment on the music. 

SGFan &#38; dr joe blow are so low that they beat the blog owner up w/ stuff that has nothing to do with the music in attempt to shame &#38; embarrass him.

They will jump back on here saying that was not their intent...when they do they are telling a lie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said JLL&#8230; maybe dr. joe blow, SgFan and the likes will stop preaching and talk about the music without THAT ACCUSATORY Tone!!</p>
<p>They think that if you don&#8217;t beat ppl over the head with the bible and get saved every Sunday when you sin that you should not be allowed to comment on the music. </p>
<p>SGFan &amp; dr joe blow are so low that they beat the blog owner up w/ stuff that has nothing to do with the music in attempt to shame &amp; embarrass him.</p>
<p>They will jump back on here saying that was not their intent&#8230;when they do they are telling a lie.</p>
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		<title>By: JLL</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/02/26/fame-fragility-and-misfits/#comment-830061</link>
		<dc:creator>JLL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/02/26/fame-fragility-and-misfits/#comment-830061</guid>
		<description>I can tell you why I have an interest in southern gospel.  My grandparents sang gospel music on the radio in the 1930’s.  Their daughter--my aunt--wrote or helped to write (depending on whose story you believe) a sacred song I can guarantee everyone in here has heard time and again.  My parents and extended family sang in churches all over our area.  Yet I am someone who would most assuredly be accused by some readers of “insisting on living a sinful life.”  I still listen to southern gospel.  It’s part of who I am.  You can take the boy out of the church, but I guess you can’t take the church out of the boy.  I also just plain enjoy it.  

The tone of some of the comments seem almost accusatory, as if I don’t have the right to care about this music because I’m not what some would consider a “true Christian.”  If the point of the music is the message, then wouldn’t it be a good thing for us so-called “sinners” to be listening?  

As for Doug’s original topic, it IS comforting to know that sometimes it’s not just the saints singing for Jesus.  Sometimes it is a misfit or an outcast or a struggler--someone just like me.  It gives that all-important message in the music much more resonance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can tell you why I have an interest in southern gospel.  My grandparents sang gospel music on the radio in the 1930’s.  Their daughter&#8211;my aunt&#8211;wrote or helped to write (depending on whose story you believe) a sacred song I can guarantee everyone in here has heard time and again.  My parents and extended family sang in churches all over our area.  Yet I am someone who would most assuredly be accused by some readers of “insisting on living a sinful life.”  I still listen to southern gospel.  It’s part of who I am.  You can take the boy out of the church, but I guess you can’t take the church out of the boy.  I also just plain enjoy it.  </p>
<p>The tone of some of the comments seem almost accusatory, as if I don’t have the right to care about this music because I’m not what some would consider a “true Christian.”  If the point of the music is the message, then wouldn’t it be a good thing for us so-called “sinners” to be listening?  </p>
<p>As for Doug’s original topic, it IS comforting to know that sometimes it’s not just the saints singing for Jesus.  Sometimes it is a misfit or an outcast or a struggler&#8211;someone just like me.  It gives that all-important message in the music much more resonance.</p>
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