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	<title>Comments on: Disintermediation, part 1</title>
	<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/04/02/disintermediation-part-1/</link>
	<description>Criticism and commentary on southern gospel music</description>
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		<title>By: wackythinker</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/04/02/disintermediation-part-1/#comment-866282</link>
		<dc:creator>wackythinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 20:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/04/02/disintermediation-part-1/#comment-866282</guid>
		<description>soldier -- There used to be a lot of synergy, when NQC, Singing News, and the cruise/tour company were all owned by the same man.  The 3 promoted each other.  

And for most of the history of NQC, people couldn't find large multi-artist events several times per year, like they have seen at Gaither Homecoming concerts the last several years, the Gatlinburg Gathering, et al.

That synergy doesn't exist any longer with NQC.  So, the opinion of some is that NQC doesn't hold the "power" they used to have.  That may be a correct assumption.  Even if attendance numbers look good, that doesn't mean it's still the driving force it used to be.  Personally, I still enjoy going.  With all it's faults, you still get great entertainment for your dollar.

The largest sg organizations today with any kind of synergy would be Gaither and Salem.  And they do business together to create even more synergy.  They've both also received a lot of negative attention here, and probably because they have achieved some level of success in our market, even if some of that success may be on the decline.

That's just some of my thoughts, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>soldier &#8212; There used to be a lot of synergy, when NQC, Singing News, and the cruise/tour company were all owned by the same man.  The 3 promoted each other.  </p>
<p>And for most of the history of NQC, people couldn&#8217;t find large multi-artist events several times per year, like they have seen at Gaither Homecoming concerts the last several years, the Gatlinburg Gathering, et al.</p>
<p>That synergy doesn&#8217;t exist any longer with NQC.  So, the opinion of some is that NQC doesn&#8217;t hold the &#8220;power&#8221; they used to have.  That may be a correct assumption.  Even if attendance numbers look good, that doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s still the driving force it used to be.  Personally, I still enjoy going.  With all it&#8217;s faults, you still get great entertainment for your dollar.</p>
<p>The largest sg organizations today with any kind of synergy would be Gaither and Salem.  And they do business together to create even more synergy.  They&#8217;ve both also received a lot of negative attention here, and probably because they have achieved some level of success in our market, even if some of that success may be on the decline.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s just some of my thoughts, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Wade</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/04/02/disintermediation-part-1/#comment-864578</link>
		<dc:creator>Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 07:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/04/02/disintermediation-part-1/#comment-864578</guid>
		<description>soldier... think what Dr. DH was meaning was it used to be a group had to go to the NQC because more than half of their annual dates were booked there from different promoters and big churches. 

Now groups leave in the middle of the week and REALLY used to empty out when the awards were held on Thursday Night.

You do not even have to go and you can still be viable the way things are booked now.

So while there were many ppl there it is not mandatory to be @ the SGM Flea Market. Especially when groups started loosing money to be there because they did not take a Fri or Sat date or the NQC did not book a major group for what ever reason but would instead put some regional NOBODY group on the line up.

That was when I quit going. Early in the evening on the front part of the week looked that that pay for play thing that used to be in chattanooga that is now in gatlinburg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>soldier&#8230; think what Dr. DH was meaning was it used to be a group had to go to the NQC because more than half of their annual dates were booked there from different promoters and big churches. </p>
<p>Now groups leave in the middle of the week and REALLY used to empty out when the awards were held on Thursday Night.</p>
<p>You do not even have to go and you can still be viable the way things are booked now.</p>
<p>So while there were many ppl there it is not mandatory to be @ the SGM Flea Market. Especially when groups started loosing money to be there because they did not take a Fri or Sat date or the NQC did not book a major group for what ever reason but would instead put some regional NOBODY group on the line up.</p>
<p>That was when I quit going. Early in the evening on the front part of the week looked that that pay for play thing that used to be in chattanooga that is now in gatlinburg.</p>
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		<title>By: soldier</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/04/02/disintermediation-part-1/#comment-863868</link>
		<dc:creator>soldier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 15:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/04/02/disintermediation-part-1/#comment-863868</guid>
		<description>I'd like to know why Doug insists on making himself look stupid by saying the NQC is "no longer the weather-making force it once was" when attendance last year was probably the highest I've ever seen it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to know why Doug insists on making himself look stupid by saying the NQC is &#8220;no longer the weather-making force it once was&#8221; when attendance last year was probably the highest I&#8217;ve ever seen it.</p>
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		<title>By: brandonl</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/04/02/disintermediation-part-1/#comment-862085</link>
		<dc:creator>brandonl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 20:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/04/02/disintermediation-part-1/#comment-862085</guid>
		<description>#27, Way to go! I wasn't aware that Stewart promoted several events and a cruise, but I do know that unlike most any young person in this industry, he has picked one group and stayed put (over 10 years or so i think) and if the statement by #25 was because of his playing, all i can say is that the fans have nominated him for favorite pianist/musician for nearly the entire time that he has been in Gospel music, and check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bUu-yz4rLM and tell me how his playing could be a joke? Any other pianists out there today toting the mail with just a piano and no soundtracks for their group at every concert? i don't think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#27, Way to go! I wasn&#8217;t aware that Stewart promoted several events and a cruise, but I do know that unlike most any young person in this industry, he has picked one group and stayed put (over 10 years or so i think) and if the statement by #25 was because of his playing, all i can say is that the fans have nominated him for favorite pianist/musician for nearly the entire time that he has been in Gospel music, and check out <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bUu-yz4rLM" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bUu-yz4rLM</a> and tell me how his playing could be a joke? Any other pianists out there today toting the mail with just a piano and no soundtracks for their group at every concert? i don&#8217;t think so.</p>
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		<title>By: LaShay</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/04/02/disintermediation-part-1/#comment-861827</link>
		<dc:creator>LaShay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 14:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/04/02/disintermediation-part-1/#comment-861827</guid>
		<description>#25 - Do you mind telling the world why you think Stewart Varnado buying NQC stock is a joke?? I'd like to know. Do you have some sort of beef with him? Or did you once sing with the DE and leave and now you're jealous?? Let's hear it.

You probably aren't aware that he's one of the most hard working young people in SG. He successfully promotes several major concerts during the year, promotes a cruise and does a heck of a lot more than people see. OR, maybe you are aware of those things and you've got some sort of personal problem?? 

Whatever the case may be, if you think you can do the job better... buy him out. Rake up some money, buy SV out of his stock and see if you can do better. Don't just talk trash without being able to back it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#25 - Do you mind telling the world why you think Stewart Varnado buying NQC stock is a joke?? I&#8217;d like to know. Do you have some sort of beef with him? Or did you once sing with the DE and leave and now you&#8217;re jealous?? Let&#8217;s hear it.</p>
<p>You probably aren&#8217;t aware that he&#8217;s one of the most hard working young people in SG. He successfully promotes several major concerts during the year, promotes a cruise and does a heck of a lot more than people see. OR, maybe you are aware of those things and you&#8217;ve got some sort of personal problem?? </p>
<p>Whatever the case may be, if you think you can do the job better&#8230; buy him out. Rake up some money, buy SV out of his stock and see if you can do better. Don&#8217;t just talk trash without being able to back it up.</p>
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		<title>By: sandym</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/04/02/disintermediation-part-1/#comment-861661</link>
		<dc:creator>sandym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 11:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/04/02/disintermediation-part-1/#comment-861661</guid>
		<description>I would think that finally having a young person involved with nqc would be a good thing. someone from this generation, who might have a clue of what's going on in todays industry. quite a change from business as usual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would think that finally having a young person involved with nqc would be a good thing. someone from this generation, who might have a clue of what&#8217;s going on in todays industry. quite a change from business as usual.</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/04/02/disintermediation-part-1/#comment-861633</link>
		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 10:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/04/02/disintermediation-part-1/#comment-861633</guid>
		<description>Stewart Varnado??
What a JOKE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stewart Varnado??<br />
What a JOKE!</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Swain</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/04/02/disintermediation-part-1/#comment-861466</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Swain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 02:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/04/02/disintermediation-part-1/#comment-861466</guid>
		<description>He is a very underrated bass. A lot of people don't like him for some reason; I know at NQC I highly recommended to an SN Forums friend to buy the "Nothin' But Good" project and she said Stacy Bragg (the bass) was the weak link of the group and he didn't blend very well. I told her the new project would prove her wrong.

IMHO, the group has one of the tightest blends out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He is a very underrated bass. A lot of people don&#8217;t like him for some reason; I know at NQC I highly recommended to an SN Forums friend to buy the &#8220;Nothin&#8217; But Good&#8221; project and she said Stacy Bragg (the bass) was the weak link of the group and he didn&#8217;t blend very well. I told her the new project would prove her wrong.</p>
<p>IMHO, the group has one of the tightest blends out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Irishlad</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/04/02/disintermediation-part-1/#comment-861155</link>
		<dc:creator>Irishlad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 19:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/04/02/disintermediation-part-1/#comment-861155</guid>
		<description>Charged up as i was over the MLFqt cd i followed them up on youtube,there they were belting out old Gold City numbers like 'when i get carried away'.boy was it fresh. New blood works wonders,Gus(i know he's not new) and the other guys  put a spin,perspective call it what you like sg will never die if that standard stays. Btw the bass is v good,i iheard him hitting a G1 or maybe a F1 on Rain at 3.20. Maybe Jowox or Randysing from youtube'll pitch in with the pitches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charged up as i was over the MLFqt cd i followed them up on youtube,there they were belting out old Gold City numbers like &#8216;when i get carried away&#8217;.boy was it fresh. New blood works wonders,Gus(i know he&#8217;s not new) and the other guys  put a spin,perspective call it what you like sg will never die if that standard stays. Btw the bass is v good,i iheard him hitting a G1 or maybe a F1 on Rain at 3.20. Maybe Jowox or Randysing from youtube&#8217;ll pitch in with the pitches.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Swain</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/04/02/disintermediation-part-1/#comment-861109</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Swain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 17:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/04/02/disintermediation-part-1/#comment-861109</guid>
		<description>#21: Now that you mention it, it does sound similar to that era of the GVB.

I know there was some skepticism in the blogosphere when Canaan signed MLQ; they were an OK group with very little under their belt to speak of, save for the LeFevre name. I think the "Nothin' But Good" release really surprised everybody with those sentiments.

The group is well on their way to the top of SG if they can keep going in the direction they're headed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#21: Now that you mention it, it does sound similar to that era of the GVB.</p>
<p>I know there was some skepticism in the blogosphere when Canaan signed MLQ; they were an OK group with very little under their belt to speak of, save for the LeFevre name. I think the &#8220;Nothin&#8217; But Good&#8221; release really surprised everybody with those sentiments.</p>
<p>The group is well on their way to the top of SG if they can keep going in the direction they&#8217;re headed.</p>
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		<title>By: Irishlad</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/04/02/disintermediation-part-1/#comment-860836</link>
		<dc:creator>Irishlad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 06:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/04/02/disintermediation-part-1/#comment-860836</guid>
		<description>#6. Back to "nothin' but good" initially the Imps most certainly came to mind ,but something about the voices and harmonies niggled me,then it clicked. It sounded just like a cross between GVB's New point of view and One x 1,very Larnelle Harris/Michael English,and that was 25 years ago,however,MLFqt's still managed to sound sg.Obviously someone in Canaan knows what their at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#6. Back to &#8220;nothin&#8217; but good&#8221; initially the Imps most certainly came to mind ,but something about the voices and harmonies niggled me,then it clicked. It sounded just like a cross between GVB&#8217;s New point of view and One x 1,very Larnelle Harris/Michael English,and that was 25 years ago,however,MLFqt&#8217;s still managed to sound sg.Obviously someone in Canaan knows what their at.</p>
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		<title>By: Markp</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/04/02/disintermediation-part-1/#comment-860772</link>
		<dc:creator>Markp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 03:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/04/02/disintermediation-part-1/#comment-860772</guid>
		<description>Typical doom and gloom post with no suggestions or thoughts about ways to improve what the author thinks is wrong with or killing this industry. I guess I still have no reason to come here.  I would have been better off using the 3 minutes it took to read this post to take out the trash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typical doom and gloom post with no suggestions or thoughts about ways to improve what the author thinks is wrong with or killing this industry. I guess I still have no reason to come here.  I would have been better off using the 3 minutes it took to read this post to take out the trash.</p>
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		<title>By: quartet-man</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/04/02/disintermediation-part-1/#comment-860707</link>
		<dc:creator>quartet-man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 02:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/04/02/disintermediation-part-1/#comment-860707</guid>
		<description>That leads to another interesting question about music in the future. Now decades in past the beginning recordings or even those of the fifties, we can find used records and discover the music, collect it etc. What happens decades in the future to those who want to pick up music by "older groups" of those times? Will mp3's still be available for download, or will they be "out of print?" Will people be able to burn copies for those people who can't find the music then, or will players even be around to play the format or blank media they are burned on? Even with CD's the players are a lot more high tech than phonographs are to repair, but then again maybe then they won't be as technology advances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That leads to another interesting question about music in the future. Now decades in past the beginning recordings or even those of the fifties, we can find used records and discover the music, collect it etc. What happens decades in the future to those who want to pick up music by &#8220;older groups&#8221; of those times? Will mp3&#8217;s still be available for download, or will they be &#8220;out of print?&#8221; Will people be able to burn copies for those people who can&#8217;t find the music then, or will players even be around to play the format or blank media they are burned on? Even with CD&#8217;s the players are a lot more high tech than phonographs are to repair, but then again maybe then they won&#8217;t be as technology advances.</p>
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		<title>By: WA</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/04/02/disintermediation-part-1/#comment-860609</link>
		<dc:creator>WA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 00:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/04/02/disintermediation-part-1/#comment-860609</guid>
		<description>Well, I might surprise you, Tom, as I'll respond to your post (#16). Actually, I am most interested in certain aspects of what you discussed. Some years back, you can imagine my surprise when a friend called me to ask if I was aware that my latest CD had been downloaded onto Napster, and had already been downloaded in its entirety hundreds of times. It can indeed be difficult to police such things. While it was very annoying, I'm thankful that my products are sold around the world, and that that didn't break the bank. I felt violated to a degree, to be honest. All of these years later, we still function in gray areas; areas that definitely need to be addressed and clarified. You mentioned paying 99 cents for a download, and then sharing it with others. But is that ethical, Tom? I have yet to see the proper language on that to know definitively. And in that, Gospel music is lagging. I don't know if you are involved in sgm in any capacity other than a buying fan. I am involved in it, and that's why I read this blog. 

You will see that I did indeed post on the previous thread. In this thread, I did respond to another comment, as once again, conservative voters were portrayed in this blog by Dr. DH in what some might consider a negative light. In no way did I intend to hijack the comments, and don't feel that I did. And with that, I'm done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I might surprise you, Tom, as I&#8217;ll respond to your post (#16). Actually, I am most interested in certain aspects of what you discussed. Some years back, you can imagine my surprise when a friend called me to ask if I was aware that my latest CD had been downloaded onto Napster, and had already been downloaded in its entirety hundreds of times. It can indeed be difficult to police such things. While it was very annoying, I&#8217;m thankful that my products are sold around the world, and that that didn&#8217;t break the bank. I felt violated to a degree, to be honest. All of these years later, we still function in gray areas; areas that definitely need to be addressed and clarified. You mentioned paying 99 cents for a download, and then sharing it with others. But is that ethical, Tom? I have yet to see the proper language on that to know definitively. And in that, Gospel music is lagging. I don&#8217;t know if you are involved in sgm in any capacity other than a buying fan. I am involved in it, and that&#8217;s why I read this blog. </p>
<p>You will see that I did indeed post on the previous thread. In this thread, I did respond to another comment, as once again, conservative voters were portrayed in this blog by Dr. DH in what some might consider a negative light. In no way did I intend to hijack the comments, and don&#8217;t feel that I did. And with that, I&#8217;m done.</p>
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		<title>By: Extra Ink</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/04/02/disintermediation-part-1/#comment-860578</link>
		<dc:creator>Extra Ink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 00:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, I am with you.  I like buying the whole CD.  I open up the liner notes and read them before I start listening.  Yes, there are still people like us out there.  Many of us.  

Digital downloads of individual songs rob the listener of hearing the entire body of work in order (if they are cherry picking songs for the download), looking at the liners and seeing when the songs were written, who published, etc.  Basically, it comes down to a difference in taste....the crowd who just wants to grab  the 99-cent song and download it to their computer and move on versus the traditionalist like you and I who want to see the full package.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, I am with you.  I like buying the whole CD.  I open up the liner notes and read them before I start listening.  Yes, there are still people like us out there.  Many of us.  </p>
<p>Digital downloads of individual songs rob the listener of hearing the entire body of work in order (if they are cherry picking songs for the download), looking at the liners and seeing when the songs were written, who published, etc.  Basically, it comes down to a difference in taste&#8230;.the crowd who just wants to grab  the 99-cent song and download it to their computer and move on versus the traditionalist like you and I who want to see the full package.</p>
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