Comments on: Open thread http://averyfineline.com/2009/05/26/open-thread-22/ Criticism and commentary on southern gospel music Wed, 23 May 2012 18:57:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3 By: Rebecca http://averyfineline.com/2009/05/26/open-thread-22/#comment-927100 Rebecca Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:42:05 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/05/26/open-thread-22/#comment-927100 Did #91 seriously just use John Mellencamp as a name to strike fear into Conservative hearts? I'm sorry, but it didn't work. And how does someone like Jon Stewart get brought into any kind of political discussion, legitimate or otherwise? Did #91 seriously just use John Mellencamp as a name to strike fear into Conservative hearts? I’m sorry, but it didn’t work. And how does someone like Jon Stewart get brought into any kind of political discussion, legitimate or otherwise?

]]> By: cynical one http://averyfineline.com/2009/05/26/open-thread-22/#comment-926248 cynical one Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:27:28 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/05/26/open-thread-22/#comment-926248 #121 Lewis -- I especially liked your last 2 paragraphs. I would add that, in addition to praying for our current office-holders, we need to pray that God would raise up a new generation of Godly men to fill those positions as they become available. That their lives would be kept blameless, so as not to have skeletons in their closets that might get in the way of their election to office. And you're exactly right: our purpose on this earth is to promote Christ, and not a political platform. #121 Lewis — I especially liked your last 2 paragraphs. I would add that, in addition to praying for our current office-holders, we need to pray that God would raise up a new generation of Godly men to fill those positions as they become available. That their lives would be kept blameless, so as not to have skeletons in their closets that might get in the way of their election to office.

And you’re exactly right: our purpose on this earth is to promote Christ, and not a political platform.

]]> By: Lewis Wells http://averyfineline.com/2009/05/26/open-thread-22/#comment-923002 Lewis Wells Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:15:02 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/05/26/open-thread-22/#comment-923002 Let me qualify my remarks by identifying myself as a political conservative. How conservative? I believe Ronald Reagan is the father of our country. That conservative;) That said, as long as Mike Huckabee supports the cultic, extra-biblical teachings of cult-leader Bill Gothard of the Institute of Basic Life Principles, he won't get my vote for so much as County Line, much less for President, nor will I support anyone who aligns themselves with him. Gothard teaches some scary, scary stuff. I would suggest people who are unfamiliar with him do a little online research. Just because something is masked in all the wholesome, gooey goodness of All-American Christianity, well that's no guarantee that it isn't completely biblically misguided, and Gothard's teachings are cultic insanity developed from biblical "pattern" rather than direct biblical teaching. There are a lot of "patterns" in the bible, and most of them aren't all that good. Beyond that, I go to the polls, vote my conscience, and realize that without the intervention of God Himself, America's wounds and woes are far too deep for any political party to resolve. Watch what they do. Not what they say. I would suggest praying for our leaders who currently hold office. That's really all you can do...aside from not getting so wrapped up in the political process that you forget our purpose on this earth is to promote Christ and not a political platform. Christ wasn't overly concerned about the political landscape (in fact, I can find few things which he discussed as LITTLE as politics), and He's to be our example. Let me qualify my remarks by identifying myself as a political conservative. How conservative? I believe Ronald Reagan is the father of our country. That conservative;)

That said, as long as Mike Huckabee supports the cultic, extra-biblical teachings of cult-leader Bill Gothard of the Institute of Basic Life Principles, he won’t get my vote for so much as County Line, much less for President, nor will I support anyone who aligns themselves with him. Gothard teaches some scary, scary stuff. I would suggest people who are unfamiliar with him do a little online research. Just because something is masked in all the wholesome, gooey goodness of All-American Christianity, well that’s no guarantee that it isn’t completely biblically misguided, and Gothard’s teachings are cultic insanity developed from biblical “pattern” rather than direct biblical teaching. There are a lot of “patterns” in the bible, and most of them aren’t all that good.

Beyond that, I go to the polls, vote my conscience, and realize that without the intervention of God Himself, America’s wounds and woes are far too deep for any political party to resolve. Watch what they do. Not what they say.

I would suggest praying for our leaders who currently hold office. That’s really all you can do…aside from not getting so wrapped up in the political process that you forget our purpose on this earth is to promote Christ and not a political platform. Christ wasn’t overly concerned about the political landscape (in fact, I can find few things which he discussed as LITTLE as politics), and He’s to be our example.

]]> By: SG Veteran http://averyfineline.com/2009/05/26/open-thread-22/#comment-914657 SG Veteran Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:44:20 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/05/26/open-thread-22/#comment-914657 #111, I'm a long time user of BOTH Hopperworx & Continental Case displays & cases. I can honestly say that they are both very durable. Personally, I think I like Continental's cases a little better, but favor Hoppers racks. But, I've really never had a moment's trouble out either. You use them things as much as I do, and you're gonna wear ANY of them out, eventually. Sounded like somone just wanted to bash CC. Doesn't sound like The Hopper's style, so I don't think it was from their camp, either. Just wanted to say that... #111, I’m a long time user of BOTH Hopperworx & Continental Case displays & cases. I can honestly say that they are both very durable. Personally, I think I like Continental’s cases a little better, but favor Hoppers racks. But, I’ve really never had a moment’s trouble out either. You use them things as much as I do, and you’re gonna wear ANY of them out, eventually. Sounded like somone just wanted to bash CC. Doesn’t sound like The Hopper’s style, so I don’t think it was from their camp, either. Just wanted to say that…

]]> By: NonInsider http://averyfineline.com/2009/05/26/open-thread-22/#comment-912429 NonInsider Mon, 08 Jun 2009 23:45:23 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/05/26/open-thread-22/#comment-912429 117. That's low.... but unfortunately its true most of the time... 117. That’s low…. but unfortunately its true most of the time…

]]> By: cdguy http://averyfineline.com/2009/05/26/open-thread-22/#comment-912357 cdguy Mon, 08 Jun 2009 22:21:30 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/05/26/open-thread-22/#comment-912357 GC #110 - Rhonda's name wasn't the only one on your list that proves you know not of where you speak. Several of the ones you listed are neither frustrated performers nor lost label folks. Some of them are fine singers/players who have chosen, for one reason or another, to get off the road and be involved in a different aspect of the business. My friend Nick Bruno is a prime example. He could be playing for just about any artist if he wanted to. He could keep busy solely as a studio player, if he wished. But he chose to get into producing, and teaching new artists the ropes in this business. He's really not a promoter, so his name did not belong in any promoter list, anyway. You sound like someone who, like you tried to pin these folks, couldn't cut it in the business, and are quite bitter. GC #110 - Rhonda’s name wasn’t the only one on your list that proves you know not of where you speak. Several of the ones you listed are neither frustrated performers nor lost label folks.

Some of them are fine singers/players who have chosen, for one reason or another, to get off the road and be involved in a different aspect of the business.

My friend Nick Bruno is a prime example. He could be playing for just about any artist if he wanted to. He could keep busy solely as a studio player, if he wished. But he chose to get into producing, and teaching new artists the ropes in this business. He’s really not a promoter, so his name did not belong in any promoter list, anyway.

You sound like someone who, like you tried to pin these folks, couldn’t cut it in the business, and are quite bitter.

]]> By: re-kingsmen http://averyfineline.com/2009/05/26/open-thread-22/#comment-912351 re-kingsmen Mon, 08 Jun 2009 22:10:19 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/05/26/open-thread-22/#comment-912351 115: Then They must have had the tenor and bass singer's mic muted. 115: Then They must have had the tenor and bass singer’s mic muted.

]]> By: Terry http://averyfineline.com/2009/05/26/open-thread-22/#comment-912338 Terry Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:47:10 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/05/26/open-thread-22/#comment-912338 I sure wish I knew what they edited out about Rick Hendrix I sure wish I knew what they edited out about Rick Hendrix

]]> By: Stacy http://averyfineline.com/2009/05/26/open-thread-22/#comment-912198 Stacy Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:42:12 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/05/26/open-thread-22/#comment-912198 I saw the Kingsmen this past Saturday in Arkansas. I did not hear any pitch problems. They were great! And surprise, Johnny Parrack was there to join them for a couple of songs. It was a wonderful evening. Keep up the good work Kingsmen! I saw the Kingsmen this past Saturday in Arkansas. I did not hear any pitch problems. They were great! And surprise, Johnny Parrack was there to join them for a couple of songs. It was a wonderful evening. Keep up the good work Kingsmen!

]]> By: Rhonda Thompson http://averyfineline.com/2009/05/26/open-thread-22/#comment-912142 Rhonda Thompson Mon, 08 Jun 2009 14:54:54 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/05/26/open-thread-22/#comment-912142 Regarding comments from GC #110. Why are you mentioning my name in your opinion. Who are you? I don't think I know you....all I see are initials. As far as your comments calling radio promoters losers....I worked for Daywind for over 12 1/2 years. Trust me I'm not a singer or songwriter....don't want to be. I love what I do. If you have any issues with me I would suggest strongly you email me privately. Otherwise....don't post any opinions about me. Regarding comments from GC #110. Why are you mentioning my name in your opinion. Who are you? I don’t think I know you….all I see are initials. As far as your comments calling radio promoters losers….I worked for Daywind for over 12 1/2 years. Trust me I’m not a singer or songwriter….don’t want to be. I love what I do. If you have any issues with me I would suggest strongly you email me privately. Otherwise….don’t post any opinions about me.

]]> By: Terry http://averyfineline.com/2009/05/26/open-thread-22/#comment-911708 Terry Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:14:03 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/05/26/open-thread-22/#comment-911708 Wow is Kirksey/Hendrix fued still on? I would hire Rick Hendrix to promote my songs and even vote for him for Congress. But, I am not sure about VP or President LOL Wow is Kirksey/Hendrix fued still on? I would hire Rick Hendrix to promote my songs and even vote for him for Congress. But, I am not sure about VP or President LOL

]]> By: me http://averyfineline.com/2009/05/26/open-thread-22/#comment-911200 me Sun, 07 Jun 2009 13:04:50 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/05/26/open-thread-22/#comment-911200 #98 and #109-The cases you get from the Hoppers are Hopperworx cases. They do not come from continental case. As a matter of inside information for ya, the Hoppers have considered a lawsuit against Continental. Their cases are designed by them and usually patented, but continental has copied every case the Hoppers have every designed and made it with alot cheaper parts. That's why if you go continental, you will be replacing it before too long. If you go with Hopperworx, you will get the original design with the best equipment. And it will last alot longer than the imitation stuff. You can get them from the hoppers web-site or call the office. #98 and #109-The cases you get from the Hoppers are Hopperworx cases. They do not come from continental case. As a matter of inside information for ya, the Hoppers have considered a lawsuit against Continental. Their cases are designed by them and usually patented, but continental has copied every case the Hoppers have every designed and made it with alot cheaper parts. That’s why if you go continental, you will be replacing it before too long. If you go with Hopperworx, you will get the original design with the best equipment. And it will last alot longer than the imitation stuff. You can get them from the hoppers web-site or call the office.

]]> By: quartet-man http://averyfineline.com/2009/05/26/open-thread-22/#comment-910399 quartet-man Sat, 06 Jun 2009 15:00:13 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/05/26/open-thread-22/#comment-910399 #104 Off pitch, off key, out of tune and all describe the same thing. It is singing the wrong notes at least as far as not hitting them dead center. There are degrees of pitch. Many might be slightly off, but when it is too far off it is far more evident. Perfect pitch is generally the ability to hit every note dead center as well as being able to identify a pitch when hearing it or being able to sing a pitch without having the note or key given before. In other words, you could say sing a middle c and they could do it on the spot. Sometimes perfect pitch can make things harder because if the piano is out of tune (oh, wait a second who has instruments anymore ;-)) it can be hard on the person because they either do or want to sing the note exactly as it should be and not adjust to how the piano is tuned. I don't have perfect pitch by any means. I am pitchy at times, however even though I don't have perfect pitch, it is hard for me to read a song in one key and sing it in another. In other words if the song is in F and I am reading the music, but they decide to put it in D, I have a really tough time finding the part. I can do it easier than I used to, but if it is too far away from the key it is written in, I have a lot of trouble. It would have to be much harder for those with perfect pitch. When one person is off key and the others aren't, the chord will not sound quite right. Sometimes that person can make the others have trouble. Sometimes too, the other singers might adjust and tune to the one off key. (Especially if a cappella) and especially if it is the lead singer who is doing it. #104 Off pitch, off key, out of tune and all describe the same thing. It is singing the wrong notes at least as far as not hitting them dead center. There are degrees of pitch. Many might be slightly off, but when it is too far off it is far more evident.

Perfect pitch is generally the ability to hit every note dead center as well as being able to identify a pitch when hearing it or being able to sing a pitch without having the note or key given before. In other words, you could say sing a middle c and they could do it on the spot. Sometimes perfect pitch can make things harder because if the piano is out of tune (oh, wait a second who has instruments anymore ;-)) it can be hard on the person because they either do or want to sing the note exactly as it should be and not adjust to how the piano is tuned. I don’t have perfect pitch by any means. I am pitchy at times, however even though I don’t have perfect pitch, it is hard for me to read a song in one key and sing it in another. In other words if the song is in F and I am reading the music, but they decide to put it in D, I have a really tough time finding the part. I can do it easier than I used to, but if it is too far away from the key it is written in, I have a lot of trouble. It would have to be much harder for those with perfect pitch.

When one person is off key and the others aren’t, the chord will not sound quite right. Sometimes that person can make the others have trouble. Sometimes too, the other singers might adjust and tune to the one off key. (Especially if a cappella) and especially if it is the lead singer who is doing it.

]]> By: GC http://averyfineline.com/2009/05/26/open-thread-22/#comment-910136 GC Sat, 06 Jun 2009 06:49:28 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/05/26/open-thread-22/#comment-910136 Somewhere I read where Rick Hendrix was not a liberal. I wish someone could point out his agenda.He seems fairly liberal to me. His artist all look like rockstars or are ROCKSTARS. I find it interesting that a gospel music promoter could have enough sense to attempt a run for office. Most record promoters are losers that couldnt keep a job at a label or they couldnt sing and started a promotion company to offset their lack of record units. I am not being mean but look at the promoters Susan Whisnant Galloways Rhonda Thompson Jeff ONeal Jim Stover DJ Man Phil Emery Paradigm (Calvin Gann) Song Garden (Nick Bruno) HMG ( Gene Higgins) Theresa Dillard Donna Beauva AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST Congressmen RICK HENDRIX ( where do you start, failed DJ [edit] hated by Kirksey etc) THESE are our wonderful industry promoters+and I have used a few of them. What will we see next? the cabinet in 2012 President Bill Gaither Vice President Rick Hendrix who got the seat from a brutal fight with Ernie Haase for the position Secretary of State Jim Cumbee Treasury Secretary Ed Leonard Defense Secretary Clarke Beasley Department of Justice Jerry Kirksey Department of Commerce Claude Hopper Somewhere I read where Rick Hendrix was not a liberal. I wish someone could point out his agenda.He seems fairly liberal to me. His artist all look like rockstars or are ROCKSTARS. I find it interesting that a gospel music promoter could have enough sense to attempt a run for office. Most record promoters are losers that couldnt keep a job at a label or they couldnt sing and started a promotion company to offset their lack of record units. I am not being mean but look at the promoters

Susan Whisnant

Galloways

Rhonda Thompson

Jeff ONeal

Jim Stover

DJ Man Phil Emery

Paradigm (Calvin Gann)

Song Garden (Nick Bruno)

HMG ( Gene Higgins)

Theresa Dillard

Donna Beauva

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST

Congressmen RICK HENDRIX ( where do you start, failed DJ [edit] hated by Kirksey etc)

THESE are our wonderful industry promoters+and I have used a few of them.

What will we see next?
the cabinet in 2012

President Bill Gaither

Vice President Rick Hendrix who got the seat from a brutal fight with Ernie Haase for the position

Secretary of State Jim Cumbee

Treasury Secretary Ed Leonard

Defense Secretary Clarke Beasley

Department of Justice Jerry Kirksey

Department of Commerce Claude Hopper

]]> By: Yeah... http://averyfineline.com/2009/05/26/open-thread-22/#comment-909712 Yeah... Fri, 05 Jun 2009 21:57:08 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/05/26/open-thread-22/#comment-909712 CVH - I checked out the discmakers link, as I've used them and was surprised that they would carry travel racks. Can't find any on their site. Any further help? I bought mine from the Hoppers; I might be wrong, but I believe they may come from Continental Case, but all I know is that they've worked great and held up well. Their Anvil-style case has been as road-worthy as any case I've owned. CVH - I checked out the discmakers link, as I’ve used them and was surprised that they would carry travel racks. Can’t find any on their site. Any further help?

I bought mine from the Hoppers; I might be wrong, but I believe they may come from Continental Case, but all I know is that they’ve worked great and held up well. Their Anvil-style case has been as road-worthy as any case I’ve owned.

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