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	<title>Comments on: Personnel Roundup</title>
	<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/06/19/personnel-roundup/</link>
	<description>Criticism and commentary on southern gospel music</description>
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		<title>By: Joe Carrell</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/06/19/personnel-roundup/#comment-1305278</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Carrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 03:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/06/19/personnel-roundup/#comment-1305278</guid>
		<description>Hey guys..a friend told me i needed to check out this thread.  Yes i do mix for BFA, as well as, many other SoGo groups like the Perrys, Lesters, etc.  However, i did not mix the last few records that were the source of all the "over" processed controversy.  

They have switched directions a bit though and are now using Brian's son Ricky to produce and have returned to me for mixing.  We did an accapella record earlier this year and finished their newest full project in September.  You'll find that it still leans a little more "pop" sounding than most of the more traditional SG groups, but definitely a different sound than the records from approx 07-09.

Just didn't want any prospective clients to get the wrong idea about my work.  Oh yeah..and merry Christmas! 

Joe C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys..a friend told me i needed to check out this thread.  Yes i do mix for BFA, as well as, many other SoGo groups like the Perrys, Lesters, etc.  However, i did not mix the last few records that were the source of all the &#8220;over&#8221; processed controversy.  </p>
<p>They have switched directions a bit though and are now using Brian&#8217;s son Ricky to produce and have returned to me for mixing.  We did an accapella record earlier this year and finished their newest full project in September.  You&#8217;ll find that it still leans a little more &#8220;pop&#8221; sounding than most of the more traditional SG groups, but definitely a different sound than the records from approx 07-09.</p>
<p>Just didn&#8217;t want any prospective clients to get the wrong idea about my work.  Oh yeah..and merry Christmas! </p>
<p>Joe C</p>
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		<title>By: NonInsider</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/06/19/personnel-roundup/#comment-928580</link>
		<dc:creator>NonInsider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/06/19/personnel-roundup/#comment-928580</guid>
		<description>Actually 37. They did do a project all together it will be called "Jubilee" its going to have some old classics on it with some new songs... It should be out in time for NQC... The Live At Oak Tree projects should be out soon as well..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually 37. They did do a project all together it will be called &#8220;Jubilee&#8221; its going to have some old classics on it with some new songs&#8230; It should be out in time for NQC&#8230; The Live At Oak Tree projects should be out soon as well..</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Swain</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/06/19/personnel-roundup/#comment-928416</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Swain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/06/19/personnel-roundup/#comment-928416</guid>
		<description>#24: Just read the L5 newsletter, and it talked about the new CD. It's title is "Just Stand" (which, from what I was told, is the same song that Liberty Quartet did on their latest CD, "Amazed"), and it should be out within the next couple of weeks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#24: Just read the L5 newsletter, and it talked about the new CD. It&#8217;s title is &#8220;Just Stand&#8221; (which, from what I was told, is the same song that Liberty Quartet did on their latest CD, &#8220;Amazed&#8221;), and it should be out within the next couple of weeks.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Swain</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/06/19/personnel-roundup/#comment-928391</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Swain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/06/19/personnel-roundup/#comment-928391</guid>
		<description>Randy Crawford has been announced as BFA's new baritone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy Crawford has been announced as BFA&#8217;s new baritone.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim2</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/06/19/personnel-roundup/#comment-928330</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/06/19/personnel-roundup/#comment-928330</guid>
		<description>Not really a joint project - it is the next 3 releases in the "Oak Tree Live" series from Daywind Records - following the debut from Crabb Revival, Aaron and Amanda Crabb, and Austin's Bridge.  The 3 projects will be released September 1.  There is some great interplay between the groups on the DVD portion, but I'm guessing only 1 song on each project will feature members from the other 2 groups, something like a Bonus Cut.  I was privileged to see Greater Vision record their set, my first chance to hear the new tenor, and they were ON!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really a joint project - it is the next 3 releases in the &#8220;Oak Tree Live&#8221; series from Daywind Records - following the debut from Crabb Revival, Aaron and Amanda Crabb, and Austin&#8217;s Bridge.  The 3 projects will be released September 1.  There is some great interplay between the groups on the DVD portion, but I&#8217;m guessing only 1 song on each project will feature members from the other 2 groups, something like a Bonus Cut.  I was privileged to see Greater Vision record their set, my first chance to hear the new tenor, and they were ON!</p>
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		<title>By: Leadsinger</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/06/19/personnel-roundup/#comment-927475</link>
		<dc:creator>Leadsinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/06/19/personnel-roundup/#comment-927475</guid>
		<description>Hmm a joint project with those three groups... Sounds like one I might have to pick up... Does anyone have a potential release date, I have not seen any advertising for this...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm a joint project with those three groups&#8230; Sounds like one I might have to pick up&#8230; Does anyone have a potential release date, I have not seen any advertising for this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Swain</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/06/19/personnel-roundup/#comment-926556</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Swain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 02:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/06/19/personnel-roundup/#comment-926556</guid>
		<description>#34: You heard correctly, although I had no idea Lari had produced that as well. That'll be another one worth hearing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#34: You heard correctly, although I had no idea Lari had produced that as well. That&#8217;ll be another one worth hearing.</p>
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		<title>By: NonInsider</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/06/19/personnel-roundup/#comment-926517</link>
		<dc:creator>NonInsider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 01:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/06/19/personnel-roundup/#comment-926517</guid>
		<description>33. I am hearing about a Greater Vision, L5 Booth Brothers album as well that I believe was produced by the Master Lari Goss... That sounds very interesting... As I enjoyed the joint project with EHSS and the GVB...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>33. I am hearing about a Greater Vision, L5 Booth Brothers album as well that I believe was produced by the Master Lari Goss&#8230; That sounds very interesting&#8230; As I enjoyed the joint project with EHSS and the GVB&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Swain</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/06/19/personnel-roundup/#comment-926261</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Swain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/06/19/personnel-roundup/#comment-926261</guid>
		<description>#24: With Lari Goss producing, it's a safe bet that it will one of L5's better projects. I talked to Tim Parton in February and he was super-excited about working with Lari.

I'm just hoping they can get the mix right on this one. Their "Know So Salvation" and "God's Been Good" albums were so poorly mixed that the voices sounded muffled behind the tracks. I mentioned something about that to Tim and he said that they were less than thrilled with the mix as well.

It will be an interesting project, and I plan on getting it when it comes out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#24: With Lari Goss producing, it&#8217;s a safe bet that it will one of L5&#8217;s better projects. I talked to Tim Parton in February and he was super-excited about working with Lari.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just hoping they can get the mix right on this one. Their &#8220;Know So Salvation&#8221; and &#8220;God&#8217;s Been Good&#8221; albums were so poorly mixed that the voices sounded muffled behind the tracks. I mentioned something about that to Tim and he said that they were less than thrilled with the mix as well.</p>
<p>It will be an interesting project, and I plan on getting it when it comes out.</p>
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		<title>By: youngartist</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/06/19/personnel-roundup/#comment-925943</link>
		<dc:creator>youngartist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/06/19/personnel-roundup/#comment-925943</guid>
		<description>Barry Weeks is the Producer. I don't think their mixing engineer is the one responsible for the extra effects and wall of sound.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry Weeks is the Producer. I don&#8217;t think their mixing engineer is the one responsible for the extra effects and wall of sound.</p>
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		<title>By: Extra Ink</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/06/19/personnel-roundup/#comment-925524</link>
		<dc:creator>Extra Ink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 01:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/06/19/personnel-roundup/#comment-925524</guid>
		<description>BF&#38;A's projects are mixed by Joe Carrell.  Trust me when I say Brian likes Joe's mixing work.  But I also know that if you think the songs are too....something, Brian listens to each and every song and gives feedback to Joe before the mix is finalized.  So, blame Joe Carrell or blame Brian if you love or hate their mixes; the truth is that Joe does the work but Brian approves each song.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BF&amp;A&#8217;s projects are mixed by Joe Carrell.  Trust me when I say Brian likes Joe&#8217;s mixing work.  But I also know that if you think the songs are too&#8230;.something, Brian listens to each and every song and gives feedback to Joe before the mix is finalized.  So, blame Joe Carrell or blame Brian if you love or hate their mixes; the truth is that Joe does the work but Brian approves each song.</p>
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		<title>By: cynical one</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/06/19/personnel-roundup/#comment-925323</link>
		<dc:creator>cynical one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/06/19/personnel-roundup/#comment-925323</guid>
		<description>#29 youngartist -- I especially liked your last paragraph.  Maybe the s/g audiences isn't really dying off.  Maybe it's just that certain artists' audience is dying off.  

BF&#38;A has recently received airplay on A/C radio.  Their music will cross barriers groups like Dixie Echoes can't.  And that doesn't mean DE's aren't good at what they do, just a different audience with different taste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#29 youngartist &#8212; I especially liked your last paragraph.  Maybe the s/g audiences isn&#8217;t really dying off.  Maybe it&#8217;s just that certain artists&#8217; audience is dying off.  </p>
<p>BF&amp;A has recently received airplay on A/C radio.  Their music will cross barriers groups like Dixie Echoes can&#8217;t.  And that doesn&#8217;t mean DE&#8217;s aren&#8217;t good at what they do, just a different audience with different taste.</p>
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		<title>By: youngartist</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/06/19/personnel-roundup/#comment-925115</link>
		<dc:creator>youngartist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/06/19/personnel-roundup/#comment-925115</guid>
		<description>QualitySeeker said:

"The intense processed vocals do get old on the BF&#38;A projects though. Reduce it somewhat. The material is not bad, and neither are the arrangements. You’re with the best record company in the business, so resources are aplenty."

On that note, I do agree to a point. I thought "Real Faith" was overly-produced. Although for some reason, I liked "Worth It" better. "You Must've Met Him" is pretty much the best modern SG song I can think of right now. 

So either "Worth It" (a) has better song selection so I don't mind the extra production, (b) has more musical creativity so I don't mind the extra production, or (c) it's actually produced better.

Could be any of the above, but I for one (as a young person) hold BF&#38;A's cds (from "It's So God" on) as the benchmark for a tight, quality recording. It just doesn't get any better. That's my subjective opinion.

If I'm introducing young people to SG, they're not going to like the Dixie Echoes, but I've actually had success with introducing them to groups like BF&#38;A. I realize that old people aren't as endeared with their musical direction as are the younger generation, but maybe that's exactly why someone like me (and even some CCM-prone friends) like them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>QualitySeeker said:</p>
<p>&#8220;The intense processed vocals do get old on the BF&amp;A projects though. Reduce it somewhat. The material is not bad, and neither are the arrangements. You’re with the best record company in the business, so resources are aplenty.&#8221;</p>
<p>On that note, I do agree to a point. I thought &#8220;Real Faith&#8221; was overly-produced. Although for some reason, I liked &#8220;Worth It&#8221; better. &#8220;You Must&#8217;ve Met Him&#8221; is pretty much the best modern SG song I can think of right now. </p>
<p>So either &#8220;Worth It&#8221; (a) has better song selection so I don&#8217;t mind the extra production, (b) has more musical creativity so I don&#8217;t mind the extra production, or (c) it&#8217;s actually produced better.</p>
<p>Could be any of the above, but I for one (as a young person) hold BF&amp;A&#8217;s cds (from &#8220;It&#8217;s So God&#8221; on) as the benchmark for a tight, quality recording. It just doesn&#8217;t get any better. That&#8217;s my subjective opinion.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m introducing young people to SG, they&#8217;re not going to like the Dixie Echoes, but I&#8217;ve actually had success with introducing them to groups like BF&amp;A. I realize that old people aren&#8217;t as endeared with their musical direction as are the younger generation, but maybe that&#8217;s exactly why someone like me (and even some CCM-prone friends) like them!</p>
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		<title>By: Scot Eaves</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/06/19/personnel-roundup/#comment-924988</link>
		<dc:creator>Scot Eaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/06/19/personnel-roundup/#comment-924988</guid>
		<description>Soldier (#25) - I’m not saying a CD is too good.  I’m saying that it is too processed and goes past the point of sounding good to sounding artificial.

Qualityseeker (#26) - I see we agree that the vocals on BF&#38;A’s projects are overly processed.  I say my theory still holds even if people buy the CD after seeing BF&#38;A at a concert.  They take home the CD and listen to it for the next 3, 6, 12 months until they go see them again.  After that second concert, they subconsciously aren’t quite as impressed because the live performance doesn’t match “quality” of the CD they’ve been listening to for the last several months.

Again, I believe BF&#38;A are very talented and enjoy hearing them (live more than on CD).  They sing good songs and their music has encouraged, entertained, challenged and ministered to me.  I just happen to have an opinion about the choices they and/or their producer make about how their product sounds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Soldier (#25) - I’m not saying a CD is too good.  I’m saying that it is too processed and goes past the point of sounding good to sounding artificial.</p>
<p>Qualityseeker (#26) - I see we agree that the vocals on BF&amp;A’s projects are overly processed.  I say my theory still holds even if people buy the CD after seeing BF&amp;A at a concert.  They take home the CD and listen to it for the next 3, 6, 12 months until they go see them again.  After that second concert, they subconsciously aren’t quite as impressed because the live performance doesn’t match “quality” of the CD they’ve been listening to for the last several months.</p>
<p>Again, I believe BF&amp;A are very talented and enjoy hearing them (live more than on CD).  They sing good songs and their music has encouraged, entertained, challenged and ministered to me.  I just happen to have an opinion about the choices they and/or their producer make about how their product sounds.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2009/06/19/personnel-roundup/#comment-924964</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2009/06/19/personnel-roundup/#comment-924964</guid>
		<description>Chris Cooper is not the highest tenor but he is one of the best I've ever heard. This is still subjective. Someone else may not like his style. I would define him as being weak when it comes to glass breaking high notes, but strong when it comes to being able to just flat out sing. Which he can do very well. I think those that have any doubts will think differently after a few months. Of course, like someone else said, the longer he stays the better he will get and the better GC will be. 
Avery told it like it was in talking about the reasoning behind there being so many personnel changes in SG.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Cooper is not the highest tenor but he is one of the best I&#8217;ve ever heard. This is still subjective. Someone else may not like his style. I would define him as being weak when it comes to glass breaking high notes, but strong when it comes to being able to just flat out sing. Which he can do very well. I think those that have any doubts will think differently after a few months. Of course, like someone else said, the longer he stays the better he will get and the better GC will be.<br />
Avery told it like it was in talking about the reasoning behind there being so many personnel changes in SG.</p>
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