Comments on: Gospel Irony in Maine? Yes, Lord, Yes http://averyfineline.com/2009/10/30/gospel-irony-in-maine-yes-lord-yes/ Criticism and commentary on southern gospel music Thu, 24 May 2012 02:49:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3 By: KC http://averyfineline.com/2009/10/30/gospel-irony-in-maine-yes-lord-yes/#comment-1078942 KC Sat, 09 Jan 2010 03:27:25 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/10/30/gospel-irony-in-maine-yes-lord-yes/#comment-1078942 Here are some homosexuals who believe it's a sin: http://www.dennisjernigan.com/ http://www.exodusinternational.org/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex-gay If you're in a humorous mood, here is a hilarious video on Eunuchs. I've always been perplexed by them in the Bible. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3viQHsBFc4 Here are some homosexuals who believe it’s a sin:

http://www.dennisjernigan.com/
http://www.exodusinternational.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex-gay

If you’re in a humorous mood, here is a hilarious video on Eunuchs. I’ve always been perplexed by them in the Bible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3viQHsBFc4

]]> By: QwertyJuan http://averyfineline.com/2009/10/30/gospel-irony-in-maine-yes-lord-yes/#comment-1078715 QwertyJuan Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:47:54 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/10/30/gospel-irony-in-maine-yes-lord-yes/#comment-1078715 I guess the problem I have KC is that a lot of people aren't considering it as a sin... when I DO "sin" I don't try to cover it up and say it isn't one. If I looked at someone to lust after them for instance, I wouldn't go around with my head in the sand and say that it is "alright". I will be the first to admit I did wrong, and will try to correct that area of my life. However, I don't see many homosexuals ADMITTING that what they did/are doing is sin. P.S. I agree 100% that God is a God of grace and mercy... I doubt very much that if we DO sin that we will go straight to hell if the Lord came back at that very instance... I cannot believe that our salvation is that fickel. BUT can we LIVE in sin everyday all day and expect to make it? If I steal something everyday from now until the Lord comes back... should I be shocked when I didn't make it? If I commit adultry everyday?? etc... I guess the problem I have KC is that a lot of people aren’t considering it as a sin… when I DO “sin” I don’t try to cover it up and say it isn’t one. If I looked at someone to lust after them for instance, I wouldn’t go around with my head in the sand and say that it is “alright”. I will be the first to admit I did wrong, and will try to correct that area of my life. However, I don’t see many homosexuals ADMITTING that what they did/are doing is sin.

P.S. I agree 100% that God is a God of grace and mercy… I doubt very much that if we DO sin that we will go straight to hell if the Lord came back at that very instance… I cannot believe that our salvation is that fickel. BUT can we LIVE in sin everyday all day and expect to make it? If I steal something everyday from now until the Lord comes back… should I be shocked when I didn’t make it? If I commit adultry everyday?? etc…

]]> By: KC http://averyfineline.com/2009/10/30/gospel-irony-in-maine-yes-lord-yes/#comment-1078029 KC Thu, 07 Jan 2010 05:18:51 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/10/30/gospel-irony-in-maine-yes-lord-yes/#comment-1078029 I guess the point is in your reply. :) You list "sins" you don't do (work on Sundays, drink, drugs), but even you have a "sin" you TRY not to do (lust)! That made me giggle (not effeminately, mind you!). But yeah, that's the entire point. No one is without sin. Hope the Lord doesn't return during that minute you fail, and start to lust - because some "Christians" would have you immediately thrown in Hell! I'm glad I worship a Savior of grace and mercy. I'm just a sinner. Saved by grace. But that's just how I see it. :) You seem very pleased with your spiritual place. So, as I often hear, out here in the midwest, "good on ya!" Hope you're having a great 2010 so far! I guess the point is in your reply. :) You list “sins” you don’t do (work on Sundays, drink, drugs), but even you have a “sin” you TRY not to do (lust)! That made me giggle (not effeminately, mind you!). But yeah, that’s the entire point. No one is without sin. Hope the Lord doesn’t return during that minute you fail, and start to lust - because some “Christians” would have you immediately thrown in Hell! I’m glad I worship a Savior of grace and mercy. I’m just a sinner. Saved by grace.

But that’s just how I see it. :)

You seem very pleased with your spiritual place. So, as I often hear, out here in the midwest, “good on ya!”

Hope you’re having a great 2010 so far!

]]> By: QwertyJuan http://averyfineline.com/2009/10/30/gospel-irony-in-maine-yes-lord-yes/#comment-1077942 QwertyJuan Thu, 07 Jan 2010 02:13:16 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/10/30/gospel-irony-in-maine-yes-lord-yes/#comment-1077942 Guess what? I agree with this guy 100%. All of the things he listed are indeed sins. And not to sound Holy or righteous, but I try my very best to adhere to all of them. I don't work on Sundays, I try my best to not lust after woman, I don't drink(or do drugs), I give THOUSANDS of dollars every year to my local church as well as missionaries in other countries.(Nearly 20% of my GROSS income in fact). P.S. I will also mention that the New Testament DOES mention that Homosexuality is sin, and even states that just "ACTING" effeminate is a sin in itself.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effeminacy Guess what? I agree with this guy 100%. All of the things he listed are indeed sins. And not to sound Holy or righteous, but I try my very best to adhere to all of them. I don’t work on Sundays, I try my best to not lust after woman, I don’t drink(or do drugs), I give THOUSANDS of dollars every year to my local church as well as missionaries in other countries.(Nearly 20% of my GROSS income in fact).

P.S. I will also mention that the New Testament DOES mention that Homosexuality is sin, and even states that just “ACTING” effeminate is a sin in itself….

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effeminacy

]]> By: KC http://averyfineline.com/2009/10/30/gospel-irony-in-maine-yes-lord-yes/#comment-1077437 KC Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:32:59 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/10/30/gospel-irony-in-maine-yes-lord-yes/#comment-1077437 Hi QwertyJuan: I'm glad you enjoyed the link. At first I thought I riled you up and caused you to yell at me. :-) I decided to e-mail the author of that link and share with him your feedback. Here is what he e-mailed back today. Maybe you'll be interested in reading it, too! "I'm delighted to have a reader, and while I'm not an expert on these matters, I generally include several parts of the NT in my thinking. One, Christ never mentioned homosexuality; others grandfather it in because Christ did not reject the OT, and St. Paul did mention it, but it wasn't a hot button for Jesus himself. Two, St. Paul said that women should keep silent in church, and that's pretty universally ignored these days; people tend to take his advice selectively, as they do that offered in the OT. Three, in 1 Corinthians 6:9-20, Paul pretty much unloads on everyone: swindlers, the greedy, drunkards, adulterers, prostitutes of all genders. The commentaries note that he was trying to distance Christianity from other sects and from the general depravity of the public, but I simply take it as condemnation of all sin and a warning that sin has a price in this world as well as the next. It fits in with "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." Christ made the point that even thinking sinful thoughts is sinful, so there's no real beating it; no one lives a sinless life. We're all sinners, and suggesting that some sins are "real sins" or worse than others is a sneaky way of excusing our own sins while directing attention to others. I think the reason homosexuality is such a big deal with some Christians is because it's only 4% of the population, so they feel safe in condemning it. Who wants to hear a sermon on "Let he who has two tunics give one to he who has none"? Because lots of people have two tunics, about 100% of almost any congregation. So, people look for a sin that isn't theirs, and condemn it to show their own holiness. It might work on Sunday, but I wouldn't want to try it on the Day of Judgment. At the end of the day, I'm simply pleading "no contest" and throwing myself on the mercy of the court. I hope this is in some way helpful." Hi QwertyJuan: I’m glad you enjoyed the link. At first I thought I riled you up and caused you to yell at me. :-)

I decided to e-mail the author of that link and share with him your feedback. Here is what he e-mailed back today. Maybe you’ll be interested in reading it, too!

“I’m delighted to have a reader, and while I’m not an expert on these matters, I generally include several parts of the NT in my thinking. One, Christ never mentioned homosexuality; others grandfather it in because Christ did not reject the OT, and St. Paul did mention it, but it wasn’t a hot button for Jesus himself.

Two, St. Paul said that women should keep silent in church, and that’s pretty universally ignored these days; people tend to take his advice selectively, as they do that offered in the OT.

Three, in 1 Corinthians 6:9-20, Paul pretty much unloads on everyone: swindlers, the greedy, drunkards, adulterers, prostitutes of all genders. The commentaries note that he was trying to distance Christianity from other sects and from the general depravity of the public, but I simply take it as condemnation of all sin and a warning that sin has a price in this world as well as the next. It fits in with “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.”

Christ made the point that even thinking sinful thoughts is sinful, so there’s no real beating it; no one lives a sinless life. We’re all sinners, and suggesting that some sins are “real sins” or worse than others is a sneaky way of excusing our own sins while directing attention to others.

I think the reason homosexuality is such a big deal with some Christians is because it’s only 4% of the population, so they feel safe in condemning it. Who wants to hear a sermon on “Let he who has two tunics give one to he who has none”? Because lots of people have two tunics, about 100% of almost any congregation. So, people look for a sin that isn’t theirs, and condemn it to show their own holiness. It might work on Sunday, but I wouldn’t want to try it on the Day of Judgment.

At the end of the day, I’m simply pleading “no contest” and throwing myself on the mercy of the court.

I hope this is in some way helpful.”

]]> By: QwertyJuan http://averyfineline.com/2009/10/30/gospel-irony-in-maine-yes-lord-yes/#comment-1077344 QwertyJuan Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:07:49 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/10/30/gospel-irony-in-maine-yes-lord-yes/#comment-1077344 The link is interesting for sure, but I am not an Orthodox Jew, and as such, the Mosaic Laws mean nothing to me. Even a Jew that has been converted to Christianity doesn't have to abide by the Old Testament laws according to Paul. P.S. I am not a Bible scholar either, but have memorized many verses of the Bible, and according to Paul, us Gentiles don't even need to be circumcised, and what more reason to rejoice! :) The link is interesting for sure, but I am not an Orthodox Jew, and as such, the Mosaic Laws mean nothing to me. Even a Jew that has been converted to Christianity doesn’t have to abide by the Old Testament laws according to Paul.

P.S. I am not a Bible scholar either, but have memorized many verses of the Bible, and according to Paul, us Gentiles don’t even need to be circumcised, and what more reason to rejoice! :)

]]> By: KC http://averyfineline.com/2009/10/30/gospel-irony-in-maine-yes-lord-yes/#comment-1077321 KC Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:11:34 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/10/30/gospel-irony-in-maine-yes-lord-yes/#comment-1077321 #103 - Ha! I am FAR from a Bible scholar, my friend. Was just thinking you'd enjoy the link (I'm not the author). Hope you have a blessed day! :) #103 - Ha! I am FAR from a Bible scholar, my friend. Was just thinking you’d enjoy the link (I’m not the author). Hope you have a blessed day! :)

]]> By: QwertyJuan http://averyfineline.com/2009/10/30/gospel-irony-in-maine-yes-lord-yes/#comment-1077106 QwertyJuan Tue, 05 Jan 2010 03:47:37 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/10/30/gospel-irony-in-maine-yes-lord-yes/#comment-1077106 Nice to see that site pulling everything from the old Testament. How about something from the NEW TESTAMENT?? We are no longer under the law... but seeing as you are such a BIBLE scholar, you already know that, right?? Nice to see that site pulling everything from the old Testament. How about something from the NEW TESTAMENT?? We are no longer under the law… but seeing as you are such a BIBLE scholar, you already know that, right??

]]> By: KC http://averyfineline.com/2009/10/30/gospel-irony-in-maine-yes-lord-yes/#comment-1076366 KC Sun, 03 Jan 2010 22:14:34 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/10/30/gospel-irony-in-maine-yes-lord-yes/#comment-1076366 #101- hi, thought you may find this interesting :) http://home.earthlink.net/~ggghostie/abominations.html #101- hi, thought you may find this interesting :)

http://home.earthlink.net/~ggghostie/abominations.html

]]> By: QwertyJuan http://averyfineline.com/2009/10/30/gospel-irony-in-maine-yes-lord-yes/#comment-1075810 QwertyJuan Sat, 02 Jan 2010 21:58:11 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/10/30/gospel-irony-in-maine-yes-lord-yes/#comment-1075810 I can't believe some of you here think that homosexuality is ok. It's as much a sin as, stealing, swearing, cheating or lying... well if you believe the Bible it is. I guess maybe some of you guys believe in Evolution too?? I can’t believe some of you here think that homosexuality is ok. It’s as much a sin as, stealing, swearing, cheating or lying… well if you believe the Bible it is. I guess maybe some of you guys believe in Evolution too??

]]> By: Faith http://averyfineline.com/2009/10/30/gospel-irony-in-maine-yes-lord-yes/#comment-1050194 Faith Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:57:26 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/10/30/gospel-irony-in-maine-yes-lord-yes/#comment-1050194 Wow, this has gone totally off topic here! But those singers...fugly. And tone-deaf. Wow, this has gone totally off topic here! But those singers…fugly. And tone-deaf.

]]> By: DMP http://averyfineline.com/2009/10/30/gospel-irony-in-maine-yes-lord-yes/#comment-1044312 DMP Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:20:23 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/10/30/gospel-irony-in-maine-yes-lord-yes/#comment-1044312 Wade, You are an odd man. I say you know nothing. And if you do, perhaps it is because you have "first hand" information about the situation. You hate me because you think I am doing what you ARE doing. And what on earth do you know about my inbox?! Take your meds Wade. Take your meds... Wade,
You are an odd man. I say you know nothing. And if you do, perhaps it is because you have “first hand” information about the situation. You hate me because you think I am doing what you ARE doing. And what on earth do you know about my inbox?! Take your meds Wade. Take your meds…

]]> By: Wade http://averyfineline.com/2009/10/30/gospel-irony-in-maine-yes-lord-yes/#comment-1044021 Wade Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:09:19 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/10/30/gospel-irony-in-maine-yes-lord-yes/#comment-1044021 DMP... The difference in what you did and what I have said is I doubt seriously you had your facebook & regular inbox blowin' up over your teasing cause THAT is what you were doing... I am not. I do not care. I still love the music they make gay, straight, bi, womanizers, swingers, drug users. drinkers etc. There be some of them in ALL those groups. Everybody I saw on the site was just trying to get you to SHUT UP and you kept wanting to talk. I will be fine if I never talk about this again. I was just trying to jade a young idealistic fan who will probably get hurt real bad some day when he finds out his HERO(s) just like many actors, are not the same ppl that are on stage or at the product table!! You DMP where just trying to be SMARK... yes SMARK... a Smart Mark... but you were really a blow hard fan who's information nobody cared about and several told ya. But every time they did you came back and did it again...and you know what... WE STILL DON'T CARE!!! DMP…

The difference in what you did and what I have said is I doubt seriously you had your facebook & regular inbox blowin’ up over your teasing cause THAT is what you were doing… I am not.

I do not care. I still love the music they make gay, straight, bi, womanizers, swingers, drug users. drinkers etc. There be some of them in ALL those groups.

Everybody I saw on the site was just trying to get you to SHUT UP and you kept wanting to talk. I will be fine if I never talk about this again.

I was just trying to jade a young idealistic fan who will probably get hurt real bad some day when he finds out his HERO(s) just like many actors, are not the same ppl that are on stage or at the product table!!

You DMP where just trying to be SMARK… yes SMARK… a Smart Mark… but you were really a blow hard fan who’s information nobody cared about and several told ya.

But every time they did you came back and did it again…and you know what…

WE STILL DON’T CARE!!!

]]> By: DMP http://averyfineline.com/2009/10/30/gospel-irony-in-maine-yes-lord-yes/#comment-1042502 DMP Sat, 14 Nov 2009 15:25:30 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/10/30/gospel-irony-in-maine-yes-lord-yes/#comment-1042502 Wade has names and yooooooou don't. Wade has names and yoooooooou don't. Geeee Wade, does your post remind you of anything? Speaking of Hypocrites. Wade has names and yooooooou don’t. Wade has names and yoooooooou don’t. Geeee Wade, does your post remind you of anything? Speaking of Hypocrites.

]]> By: Wade http://averyfineline.com/2009/10/30/gospel-irony-in-maine-yes-lord-yes/#comment-1042333 Wade Sat, 14 Nov 2009 07:04:51 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2009/10/30/gospel-irony-in-maine-yes-lord-yes/#comment-1042333 Tyler...aka... SHUT UP!! Why would I name names???... I like the music and I like some of the ppl I would name. Some are married and have kids but get a little freaky. I am not a hater. But you seemed to be WAY MORE in to this than a normal person should. I like the music... it does not matter to me some1's person life.. Ahhh for the days of being idealistic. Plus to you have all the ones messing with THE OPPOSITE sex out of marriage, well some in but messing with others... But really just enjoy the message and the music... if you are around long you will figure some of it out!! or NOT. Sorry I mistaken you for a woman... very few straight guys worry about stuff like this... As far as shutting up and being silent some of us just have a life and do not worry who is gay and who ain't. Get one... you will care less too!!! Your probably just wanting leads!! ;-))) Tyler…aka… SHUT UP!! Why would I name names???… I like the music and I like some of the ppl I would name.

Some are married and have kids but get a little freaky. I am not a hater. But you seemed to be WAY MORE in to this than a normal person should.

I like the music… it does not matter to me some1’s person life.. Ahhh for the days of being idealistic.

Plus to you have all the ones messing with THE OPPOSITE sex out of marriage, well some in but messing with others…

But really just enjoy the message and the music… if you are around long you will figure some of it out!! or NOT.

Sorry I mistaken you for a woman… very few straight guys worry about stuff like this…

As far as shutting up and being silent some of us just have a life and do not worry who is gay and who ain’t.

Get one… you will care less too!!!

Your probably just wanting leads!! ;-)))

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