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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;We just wanted to say thank you&#8221;</title>
	<link>http://averyfineline.com/2010/02/09/we-just-wanted-to-say-thank-you/</link>
	<description>Criticism and commentary on southern gospel music</description>
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		<title>By: Casual Observer</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2010/02/09/we-just-wanted-to-say-thank-you/#comment-1100685</link>
		<dc:creator>Casual Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Dianne.  You're the "real deal"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Dianne.  You&#8217;re the &#8220;real deal&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dianne Wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2010/02/09/we-just-wanted-to-say-thank-you/#comment-1100665</link>
		<dc:creator>Dianne Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To #15...well, Casual Observer, just call me Paul Harvey for giving out the "rest of the story"!!  I HAD heard about the plaques...but I did misread your post, I suppose because the other issue was so fresh in my mind.  I'm still glad I shared what I did about the policy on the Song of the Year awards...not to be critical (again, companies can set policy however they want to), but I think the writers need to know.  To all of you who post regularly to this site, please pray for all the Gospel songwriters.  I'm firmly convinced that we don't have long to get the message out...and I say, "Even so, Come, Lord Jesus" EVERY day...so we have a huge responsibility to write the Gospel "right".  MANY thanks to all of you for your kind words and encouragement...God bless you.  Dianne.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To #15&#8230;well, Casual Observer, just call me Paul Harvey for giving out the &#8220;rest of the story&#8221;!!  I HAD heard about the plaques&#8230;but I did misread your post, I suppose because the other issue was so fresh in my mind.  I&#8217;m still glad I shared what I did about the policy on the Song of the Year awards&#8230;not to be critical (again, companies can set policy however they want to), but I think the writers need to know.  To all of you who post regularly to this site, please pray for all the Gospel songwriters.  I&#8217;m firmly convinced that we don&#8217;t have long to get the message out&#8230;and I say, &#8220;Even so, Come, Lord Jesus&#8221; EVERY day&#8230;so we have a huge responsibility to write the Gospel &#8220;right&#8221;.  MANY thanks to all of you for your kind words and encouragement&#8230;God bless you.  Dianne.</p>
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		<title>By: Casual Observer</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2010/02/09/we-just-wanted-to-say-thank-you/#comment-1100353</link>
		<dc:creator>Casual Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dianne - I think you misread my comment (#4) - I wasn't referring to Song of the Year awards...I'm talking about the plaques they used to mail out for each month's #1 song on The Singing News Top 80 chart.  They still give them to the artists but no longer give them to the writers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dianne - I think you misread my comment (#4) - I wasn&#8217;t referring to Song of the Year awards&#8230;I&#8217;m talking about the plaques they used to mail out for each month&#8217;s #1 song on The Singing News Top 80 chart.  They still give them to the artists but no longer give them to the writers.</p>
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		<title>By: quartet-man</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2010/02/09/we-just-wanted-to-say-thank-you/#comment-1100055</link>
		<dc:creator>quartet-man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 14:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant to say initially, that Dianne is on my short list of great writers. We Shall See Jesus, High And Lifted Up, Boundless Love, Homeland are among my favorite songs she has written and I am sure there are others not coming to mind at this moment. She also seems like a great person.

I also didn't mean to diminish the artists roles in a song. It is just that they get the attention because they deliver the songs and are in the public eye. The better the delivery person, the better the results of course. Artists can enhance a song. One example is George Younce's bass part on Step Into the Water. Kirk Talley himself talked about how much that contributed to the song. I don't think it would have been nearly as successful as it would have been had they sung it straight. (No pun intended. ;-) )  It is still a good song and I am sure would have been successful, but probably not as much so. It just seems a bit empty when the bass sings the same rhythms as the other singers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant to say initially, that Dianne is on my short list of great writers. We Shall See Jesus, High And Lifted Up, Boundless Love, Homeland are among my favorite songs she has written and I am sure there are others not coming to mind at this moment. She also seems like a great person.</p>
<p>I also didn&#8217;t mean to diminish the artists roles in a song. It is just that they get the attention because they deliver the songs and are in the public eye. The better the delivery person, the better the results of course. Artists can enhance a song. One example is George Younce&#8217;s bass part on Step Into the Water. Kirk Talley himself talked about how much that contributed to the song. I don&#8217;t think it would have been nearly as successful as it would have been had they sung it straight. (No pun intended. <img src='http://averyfineline.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> )  It is still a good song and I am sure would have been successful, but probably not as much so. It just seems a bit empty when the bass sings the same rhythms as the other singers.</p>
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		<title>By: quartet-man</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2010/02/09/we-just-wanted-to-say-thank-you/#comment-1100051</link>
		<dc:creator>quartet-man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 14:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2010/02/09/we-just-wanted-to-say-thank-you/#comment-1100051</guid>
		<description>Songwriters are far too unappreciated. I would say at the very least it is a partnership. A great artist or group can make a big difference in a song and the more popular they are, the larger their platform is and the more people have a chance of hearing it. 

A great artist or group (as well as instrumentalists and producers) can really enhance a song and make it shine. On the other hand, a lousy song although might be able to be salvaged (I started to use the word saved and thought better of it ;-)  ) , but the artists skills alone probably won't make it a whole lot. However, we have probably all heard songs that were great, but performed by artists who could not sing. Even then, the beauty of the song can shine through in spite of the artists, but if performed by the right artists are even better. I might be wrong, but I think a lousy song performed by great artists probably won't rise as high as great songs by lousy artists (within reason of course. If the artist cannot sing at all, then maybe not). However, it would also depend on the amount of the artists audience though. So, although artists are the ones in the public eye and important, they need a good song to have larger success. Each part of the equation (artists, songwriters, instrumentalists, producers, engineers, and even people who design the CD covers, promoters etc.) have a role in the success of an artist and many have a role in the creation of the songs we enjoy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Songwriters are far too unappreciated. I would say at the very least it is a partnership. A great artist or group can make a big difference in a song and the more popular they are, the larger their platform is and the more people have a chance of hearing it. </p>
<p>A great artist or group (as well as instrumentalists and producers) can really enhance a song and make it shine. On the other hand, a lousy song although might be able to be salvaged (I started to use the word saved and thought better of it <img src='http://averyfineline.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) , but the artists skills alone probably won&#8217;t make it a whole lot. However, we have probably all heard songs that were great, but performed by artists who could not sing. Even then, the beauty of the song can shine through in spite of the artists, but if performed by the right artists are even better. I might be wrong, but I think a lousy song performed by great artists probably won&#8217;t rise as high as great songs by lousy artists (within reason of course. If the artist cannot sing at all, then maybe not). However, it would also depend on the amount of the artists audience though. So, although artists are the ones in the public eye and important, they need a good song to have larger success. Each part of the equation (artists, songwriters, instrumentalists, producers, engineers, and even people who design the CD covers, promoters etc.) have a role in the success of an artist and many have a role in the creation of the songs we enjoy.</p>
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		<title>By: LeeAnn Mills</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2010/02/09/we-just-wanted-to-say-thank-you/#comment-1099761</link>
		<dc:creator>LeeAnn Mills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gerald, I love it had to be love, my fav on new project, LeeAnn Mills</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gerald, I love it had to be love, my fav on new project, LeeAnn Mills</p>
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		<title>By: LeeAnn Mills</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2010/02/09/we-just-wanted-to-say-thank-you/#comment-1099760</link>
		<dc:creator>LeeAnn Mills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Joel and Wayne, great song, Born to Climb. LeeAnn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Joel and Wayne, great song, Born to Climb. LeeAnn</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Sexton</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2010/02/09/we-just-wanted-to-say-thank-you/#comment-1099209</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Sexton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2010/02/09/we-just-wanted-to-say-thank-you/#comment-1099209</guid>
		<description>Dianne Wilkinson is a class act...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dianne Wilkinson is a class act&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dianne Wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2010/02/09/we-just-wanted-to-say-thank-you/#comment-1099164</link>
		<dc:creator>Dianne Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://averyfineline.com/2010/02/09/we-just-wanted-to-say-thank-you/#comment-1099164</guid>
		<description>In response to #4, I didn't know how many people knew about the new Singing News policy to only award the artists on the Song of the Year award.  But at the time, I was not aware of that policy at NQC 2009 when I walked right up there on that stage and accepted that award.  If my co-writer, Rusty Golden, had been able to attend and had gone up there with me, BOY would we have been embarrassed!  I'm sure now that the Booth Brothers graciously allowed me to receive the award and give an acceptance speech.  Since there were other writers of nominated songs there with me in the artists' circle, I'm pretty sure they didn't know about the policy, eihter.  This will not necessarily affect the writer if he/she performs with the artist who WINS.  But Rodney, Hon...if you win next year for "He Locked the Gates"...don't go up there!  Anyone can set policy for their organization, of course...but I would just recommend making it known to people who would be affected.  I will mention that due to the generosity of the Daywind folks, I still have the award I received that should have gone to the Booth Brothers, and the Booth Brothers have one as well.  

This is a good time to say "bravo" to the folks who are in charge of the SGN awards (the Unthanks).  They wisely award a writer who is also an artist/performer, and have a separate category for the non-performing writer.  Obviously, I think that's wonderful!

One final note...secular music awards programs such as the CMA award the Song of the Year to the writer(s) exclusively...the artists are awarded with Single of the Year.  I hope it doesn't sound whiney to say that I feel that to be appropriate.  I'll close by saying that for me personally, the rewards of being able to write Gospel songs and have them recorded, and the relationships I have in the SG business, far outweigh recognition of any kind.  I've been blessed to be involved in that since 1976, and it's been JOY UNSPEAKABLE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to #4, I didn&#8217;t know how many people knew about the new Singing News policy to only award the artists on the Song of the Year award.  But at the time, I was not aware of that policy at NQC 2009 when I walked right up there on that stage and accepted that award.  If my co-writer, Rusty Golden, had been able to attend and had gone up there with me, BOY would we have been embarrassed!  I&#8217;m sure now that the Booth Brothers graciously allowed me to receive the award and give an acceptance speech.  Since there were other writers of nominated songs there with me in the artists&#8217; circle, I&#8217;m pretty sure they didn&#8217;t know about the policy, eihter.  This will not necessarily affect the writer if he/she performs with the artist who WINS.  But Rodney, Hon&#8230;if you win next year for &#8220;He Locked the Gates&#8221;&#8230;don&#8217;t go up there!  Anyone can set policy for their organization, of course&#8230;but I would just recommend making it known to people who would be affected.  I will mention that due to the generosity of the Daywind folks, I still have the award I received that should have gone to the Booth Brothers, and the Booth Brothers have one as well.  </p>
<p>This is a good time to say &#8220;bravo&#8221; to the folks who are in charge of the SGN awards (the Unthanks).  They wisely award a writer who is also an artist/performer, and have a separate category for the non-performing writer.  Obviously, I think that&#8217;s wonderful!</p>
<p>One final note&#8230;secular music awards programs such as the CMA award the Song of the Year to the writer(s) exclusively&#8230;the artists are awarded with Single of the Year.  I hope it doesn&#8217;t sound whiney to say that I feel that to be appropriate.  I&#8217;ll close by saying that for me personally, the rewards of being able to write Gospel songs and have them recorded, and the relationships I have in the SG business, far outweigh recognition of any kind.  I&#8217;ve been blessed to be involved in that since 1976, and it&#8217;s been JOY UNSPEAKABLE!</p>
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		<title>By: Extra Ink</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2010/02/09/we-just-wanted-to-say-thank-you/#comment-1098002</link>
		<dc:creator>Extra Ink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 05:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All you can say about this move by Rascal Flatts is CLASSY.

I will have to agree with the songwriter you quoted.  It's just pathetic how songwriters are treated in SG music.  I think a lot of people in the industry are in dire need of some etiquette training in how to deal with the hands that are feeding them.

I have pitched many songs to groups in the genre, and the silence coming back was deafening.   However, my experience is that if a group actually cuts your song they will usually make contact.

I will have to say that the one song I pitched to the group the Inspirations several years ago was rejected, and I received a rejection note in the mail, which I appreciated very much actually.  At least it was an acknowledgement that they were breathing, and that I was breathing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All you can say about this move by Rascal Flatts is CLASSY.</p>
<p>I will have to agree with the songwriter you quoted.  It&#8217;s just pathetic how songwriters are treated in SG music.  I think a lot of people in the industry are in dire need of some etiquette training in how to deal with the hands that are feeding them.</p>
<p>I have pitched many songs to groups in the genre, and the silence coming back was deafening.   However, my experience is that if a group actually cuts your song they will usually make contact.</p>
<p>I will have to say that the one song I pitched to the group the Inspirations several years ago was rejected, and I received a rejection note in the mail, which I appreciated very much actually.  At least it was an acknowledgement that they were breathing, and that I was breathing.</p>
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		<title>By: wackythinker</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2010/02/09/we-just-wanted-to-say-thank-you/#comment-1097327</link>
		<dc:creator>wackythinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 22:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#4 - #5 -- By their fruits you shall know them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#4 - #5 &#8212; By their fruits you shall know them?</p>
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		<title>By: Casual Observer</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2010/02/09/we-just-wanted-to-say-thank-you/#comment-1096988</link>
		<dc:creator>Casual Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks quartet-man.  You're correct.  That's what I meant to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks quartet-man.  You&#8217;re correct.  That&#8217;s what I meant to say.</p>
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		<title>By: quartet-man</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2010/02/09/we-just-wanted-to-say-thank-you/#comment-1096969</link>
		<dc:creator>quartet-man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#4, What I think you meant and what it sounds like you said are different. You said "So what does THAT say about the value of writers. " Really it is more "So what does THAT say about their perception of the value of writers, (or at least by their deeds how they appear to value writers)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#4, What I think you meant and what it sounds like you said are different. You said &#8220;So what does THAT say about the value of writers. &#8221; Really it is more &#8220;So what does THAT say about their perception of the value of writers, (or at least by their deeds how they appear to value writers)</p>
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		<title>By: Casual Observer</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2010/02/09/we-just-wanted-to-say-thank-you/#comment-1096896</link>
		<dc:creator>Casual Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This disregard for writers goes beyond artists themselves.  For many years The Singing News has awarded artists AND writers of #1 songs with commemorative plaques.  They've recently changed their policy and now they only award plaques to the artists.  They do allow the writers to PURCHASE those plaques.  Generous gesture, huh?So what does THAT say about the value of writers.  Without the song there would be no #1 to celebrate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This disregard for writers goes beyond artists themselves.  For many years The Singing News has awarded artists AND writers of #1 songs with commemorative plaques.  They&#8217;ve recently changed their policy and now they only award plaques to the artists.  They do allow the writers to PURCHASE those plaques.  Generous gesture, huh?So what does THAT say about the value of writers.  Without the song there would be no #1 to celebrate.</p>
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		<title>By: JulieBelle</title>
		<link>http://averyfineline.com/2010/02/09/we-just-wanted-to-say-thank-you/#comment-1096833</link>
		<dc:creator>JulieBelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe one reason SG is struggling is because they poor mouth their fans (they don't have any money, etc) and can't give them the time of day at a concert or berate them for not buying their latest cd, treat their songwriters badly (if they pay them at all), and treat the people whom they have working (or volunteering their time to help them) badly or pay them pitifully, while they drive the cadillacs, bmws, mercedes, etc.  Put all that negative out there and it's bound to come back to you in some form or fashion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe one reason SG is struggling is because they poor mouth their fans (they don&#8217;t have any money, etc) and can&#8217;t give them the time of day at a concert or berate them for not buying their latest cd, treat their songwriters badly (if they pay them at all), and treat the people whom they have working (or volunteering their time to help them) badly or pay them pitifully, while they drive the cadillacs, bmws, mercedes, etc.  Put all that negative out there and it&#8217;s bound to come back to you in some form or fashion.</p>
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