Comments on: Doves in Atlanta, Cont’d http://averyfineline.com/2010/07/29/doves-in-atlantic-contd/ Criticism and commentary on southern gospel music Thu, 24 May 2012 03:41:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3 By: cdguy http://averyfineline.com/2010/07/29/doves-in-atlantic-contd/#comment-1202936 cdguy Mon, 02 Aug 2010 14:01:58 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2010/07/29/doves-in-atlantic-contd/#comment-1202936 Q-man -- That's a great video. I'd buy a ticket! Q-man — That’s a great video. I’d buy a ticket!

]]> By: Bones http://averyfineline.com/2010/07/29/doves-in-atlantic-contd/#comment-1202433 Bones Sun, 01 Aug 2010 21:12:15 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2010/07/29/doves-in-atlantic-contd/#comment-1202433 #2 Dove Brothers couldn't come close to being the Statesmen. #2 Dove Brothers couldn’t come close to being the Statesmen.

]]> By: quartet-man http://averyfineline.com/2010/07/29/doves-in-atlantic-contd/#comment-1201960 quartet-man Sun, 01 Aug 2010 01:55:25 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2010/07/29/doves-in-atlantic-contd/#comment-1201960 It looks like that isn't the only change going on. It appears that NQC has made changes to try to be more modern and relevant, but I don't think it will go over too well. I just found this on You Tube and was shocked. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvMkM2ZK390 It looks like that isn’t the only change going on. It appears that NQC has made changes to try to be more modern and relevant, but I don’t think it will go over too well. I just found this on You Tube and was shocked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvMkM2ZK390

]]> By: GospelMusicFan http://averyfineline.com/2010/07/29/doves-in-atlantic-contd/#comment-1201466 GospelMusicFan Sat, 31 Jul 2010 09:34:35 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2010/07/29/doves-in-atlantic-contd/#comment-1201466 All the talk about awards here and there gives me a throwback to the days in the 60's and 70's where it was a big thing to have a sports hero being a born again believer. The non-winners in that evangelical movement use great Christian rationale saying it doesn't matter if you win or lose but how you play the game that recounts. The gospel music industry has its own take of being a winner and non-winner. A well known gospel singer who could quite well fit in either CCM or SG at the top once stated that I do not get my awards here but waiting for my rewards in Heaven. Mention Dove Awards to the average local Bible believing, evangelical local church-goer would probably bring a reaction of relating the event to being a bar of soap in their bathroom. For GMA or the Dove Awards that a reality show in itself. All the talk about awards here and there gives me a throwback to the days in the 60’s and 70’s where it was a big thing to have a sports hero being a born again believer.

The non-winners in that evangelical movement use great Christian rationale saying it doesn’t matter if you win or lose but how you play the game that recounts.

The gospel music industry has its own take of being a winner and non-winner.
A well known gospel singer who could quite well fit in either CCM or SG at the top once stated that I do not get my awards here but waiting for my rewards in Heaven.

Mention Dove Awards to the average local Bible believing, evangelical local church-goer would probably bring a reaction of relating the event to being a bar of soap in their bathroom.

For GMA or the Dove Awards that a reality show in itself.

]]> By: Charles Brady http://averyfineline.com/2010/07/29/doves-in-atlantic-contd/#comment-1200807 Charles Brady Fri, 30 Jul 2010 02:24:46 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2010/07/29/doves-in-atlantic-contd/#comment-1200807 Atlanta is certainly a better fit for the GMA than Nashville. On a number of levels. I'm excited about attending for the first time in April. I hope it becomes the permanent home. If the GMA suffers from anything it is a lack of identity. And not the kind that can be created with a flashy logo and a marketing slogan. It must define itself and establish its purpose and then move to become an inclusive organization that artists can see real value in belonging to. The GMA is trying to be all things to all people and that rarely works. Especially when you get a bunch of church folks together. Between the us 4 and no more mentality of Southern Gospel and the head bangers rockin it out to lyrics which are so buried in the wall of sound you'd never hear them anyway to bluegrass and acoustic gospel to country gospel and black traditional gospel to you name it! Unless each group was represented and had its own evening or a set block of equal time you'll never bring a consensus together for that bowl of potluck stew. GMC is going to be dealing with the same issue. What started out as a promise of equal programming for all types of gospel music quickly turned into something else. Taxation without equal representation has never worked very well. Until each genre of gospel feels it has an equal footing and equal participation I wouldn't look for a lot of success in the future. But if anyone could pull it off I think Leonard could do it. I just think he needs to get away from the Nashville mentality for a couple weeks. Go south young man! LOL!! We are living in a niche oriented world. It's why we have things like NQC -SG and the IBMA - Bluegrass and the Stellar Awards for Black Gospel and this one and that one.... We must all be able to "identify" or "associate" with something we "like" or "trust" or "feel good about" or "believe in" to really commit to it. While gospel music once was a more definable genre those days are long gone. I've even heard talk of breaking up southern gospel because who can call what the Inspirations do the same as what the Talley Trio does? The GMA has a tall order to fill and with the economic climate we have I doubt anyone has the time to invest into it on the level it needs to really define itself and then market that to enough artists to keep it thriving. So either an alliance with a partner with deep pockets or a "resurrection of real relevance" is about the only real answer. I'd love to see the later. One thing about it. Jesus is Coming Soon and all this will be mostly useless anyway. I for one can't wait to learn if He ( Jesus ) even likes music. Here's a thought I'm dealing with in my own personal world.. Why does 90% of all the prayers occur on the one known day off for God?? No wonder we have problems... Atlanta is certainly a better fit for the GMA than Nashville. On a number of levels. I’m excited about attending for the first time in April. I hope it becomes the permanent home.

If the GMA suffers from anything it is a lack of identity. And not the kind that can be created with a flashy logo and a marketing slogan. It must define itself and establish its purpose and then move to become an inclusive organization that artists can see real value in belonging to.

The GMA is trying to be all things to all people and that rarely works. Especially when you get a bunch of church folks together. Between the us 4 and no more mentality of Southern Gospel and the head bangers rockin it out to lyrics which are so buried in the wall of sound you’d never hear them anyway to bluegrass and acoustic gospel to country gospel and black traditional gospel to you name it!

Unless each group was represented and had its own evening or a set block of equal time you’ll never bring a consensus together for that bowl of potluck stew.

GMC is going to be dealing with the same issue. What started out as a promise of equal programming for all types of gospel music quickly turned into something else.

Taxation without equal representation has never worked very well. Until each genre of gospel feels it has an equal footing and equal participation I wouldn’t look for a lot of success in the future. But if anyone could pull it off I think Leonard could do it. I just think he needs to get away from the Nashville mentality for a couple weeks. Go south young man! LOL!!

We are living in a niche oriented world. It’s why we have things like NQC -SG and the IBMA - Bluegrass and the Stellar Awards for Black Gospel and this one and that one…. We must all be able to “identify” or “associate” with something we “like” or “trust” or “feel good about” or “believe in” to really commit to it.

While gospel music once was a more definable genre those days are long gone. I’ve even heard talk of breaking up southern gospel because who can call what the Inspirations do the same as what the Talley Trio does?

The GMA has a tall order to fill and with the economic climate we have I doubt anyone has the time to invest into it on the level it needs to really define itself and then market that to enough artists to keep it thriving. So either an alliance with a partner with deep pockets or a “resurrection of real relevance” is about the only real answer. I’d love to see the later.

One thing about it. Jesus is Coming Soon and all this will be mostly useless anyway. I for one can’t wait to learn if He ( Jesus ) even likes music.

Here’s a thought I’m dealing with in my own personal world.. Why does 90% of all the prayers occur on the one known day off for God?? No wonder we have problems…

]]> By: David Bruce Murray http://averyfineline.com/2010/07/29/doves-in-atlantic-contd/#comment-1200802 David Bruce Murray Fri, 30 Jul 2010 01:54:11 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2010/07/29/doves-in-atlantic-contd/#comment-1200802 The GMA's own website still states that the Dove Awards will be presented at the Grand Ole Opry. http://www.gospelmusic.org/events/summaryDetail.aspx?aid=9&pid=33 You'd think when they make a major announcement such as this, they'd update the website as well...but I realize that's probably the disadvantage relying on volunteers. Meanwhile, www.doveawards.com still invites you to tune in to watch the 2010 event on May 9. The GMA’s own website still states that the Dove Awards will be presented at the Grand Ole Opry.
http://www.gospelmusic.org/events/summaryDetail.aspx?aid=9&pid=33

You’d think when they make a major announcement such as this, they’d update the website as well…but I realize that’s probably the disadvantage relying on volunteers.

Meanwhile, www.doveawards.com still invites you to tune in to watch the 2010 event on May 9.

]]> By: quartet-man http://averyfineline.com/2010/07/29/doves-in-atlantic-contd/#comment-1200774 quartet-man Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:47:24 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2010/07/29/doves-in-atlantic-contd/#comment-1200774 There is at least a partial chance that people who like a certain style might find they like part of another. I believe I discovered 4Him and Basics of Life on it one year. I know that is the song that got me, and I believe the Doves was my first exposure but perhaps I heard it on radio first. I am not sure. I doubt that it would make a huge difference in that way, nor is it probably the reason it exists, but it might help and happen a bit. There is at least a partial chance that people who like a certain style might find they like part of another. I believe I discovered 4Him and Basics of Life on it one year. I know that is the song that got me, and I believe the Doves was my first exposure but perhaps I heard it on radio first. I am not sure. I doubt that it would make a huge difference in that way, nor is it probably the reason it exists, but it might help and happen a bit.

]]> By: Chris http://averyfineline.com/2010/07/29/doves-in-atlantic-contd/#comment-1200756 Chris Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:24:45 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2010/07/29/doves-in-atlantic-contd/#comment-1200756 The Dove Brothers have moved to Atlanta?!? Is McCray channeling Hovie more than normal?!? Oh wait, I only read the headline and first paragraph. :-) The Dove Brothers have moved to Atlanta?!? Is McCray channeling Hovie more than normal?!?

Oh wait, I only read the headline and first paragraph. :-)

]]> By: Jim Cumbee http://averyfineline.com/2010/07/29/doves-in-atlantic-contd/#comment-1200751 Jim Cumbee Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:58:04 +0000 http://averyfineline.com/2010/07/29/doves-in-atlantic-contd/#comment-1200751 Your instinct is right, in part. The GMA does not have an "alliance" with the Gospel Music Channel, the Gospel Music Channel is -- right now, anyway -- the LIFELINE of the GMA. The CCM industry has been absorbed in getting the Dove Awards on TV, otherwise the record companies wouldn't force the artists to appear, and with no star power there can be no ridiculously high ticket price, and with no high ticket prices, the show loses even more money. It's a vicious cycle from which the GMA could never extricate itself. Bottom line, getting the show on TV has always been the prerequisite to even having a show. So when GMC says jump the GMA has to say "how high?" The costs to tape in Nashville are ridiculously high and GMC is moving its programming away from music, so GMC has less financial incentive to stretch to make it work. I imagine the message was something like this "if you want us to broadcast the Doves on GMC, you have to come to Atlanta where our cost to tape the show are much less." I am a huge fan of Ed Leonard; he's the smartest guy in the SG business and he's built a very fine company over at Daywind. But, I can't figure why he didn't just say we are accommodating our TV partner. In that context, going to Atlanta makes perfect sense. Your instinct is right, in part. The GMA does not have an “alliance” with the Gospel Music Channel, the Gospel Music Channel is — right now, anyway — the LIFELINE of the GMA. The CCM industry has been absorbed in getting the Dove Awards on TV, otherwise the record companies wouldn’t force the artists to appear, and with no star power there can be no ridiculously high ticket price, and with no high ticket prices, the show loses even more money. It’s a vicious cycle from which the GMA could never extricate itself. Bottom line, getting the show on TV has always been the prerequisite to even having a show. So when GMC says jump the GMA has to say “how high?” The costs to tape in Nashville are ridiculously high and GMC is moving its programming away from music, so GMC has less financial incentive to stretch to make it work. I imagine the message was something like this “if you want us to broadcast the Doves on GMC, you have to come to Atlanta where our cost to tape the show are much less.” I am a huge fan of Ed Leonard; he’s the smartest guy in the SG business and he’s built a very fine company over at Daywind. But, I can’t figure why he didn’t just say we are accommodating our TV partner. In that context, going to Atlanta makes perfect sense.

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