NQC 2012: Open Thread

NQC ‘12 kicked off today with the announcement that this is the next to last year for the festivities in Louisville. In 2014*, NQC will be moving to Pigeon Forge. Goodbye to all that, indeed.

More on this later, but my initial reaction is A)getting to Pigeon Forge is going to be a lot more difficult than flying into Louisville and B)too bad they didn’t move it to Dollywood, since, like Dolly, the NQC takes a lot of money to look that cheap.

The floor is yours. Let us know how this almost last year in Louisville is going.

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  1. Matt G. wrote:

    I’m sad to hear this, not sure I’ll be making it to many more NQC’s after the move…

  2. NG wrote:

    New location is a pain if one flies to SGM events as I do. Means I would have to fly to Knoxville and take on the added expense of renting a car for the drive to Pigeon Force. Then again I imagine the number of folks who fly to NQC is extremely small. I always thought Nashville was a good central location but I imagine costs to NQC would be much higher there. Does anyone know the seating capacity of the new facility?

  3. Nate Stainbrook wrote:

    NG the seating capacity will be 12,000. It will be held in the new (under construction) Leconte convention center.

  4. M wrote:

    While it’s only a 500 number difference, the capacity is actually 11,500, according to the official building specs. And to my understanding it’s all flat seating with no risers. Hoping for some good ground seats on the 100th row.

  5. NG wrote:

    Is there less interest in NQC then ever before? No one is posting here on the event. Daniel Mount has good, detailed recaps each night of the groups but the number of folks commenting on his site is limited (number appears to be higher but not if you eliminate Daniel’s comments and repeat commenters.) Maybe the change of venue will help but next year in Louisville could be a tough sell.

  6. Doug Sword wrote:

    I fear the apocalypse is near. The sound at NQC is really good. Apparently they hired a new sound company.

  7. Mike wrote:

    What’s his name stole the show on Tuesday. I believe it’s Blaine Johnson. Regardless, Jason Crabb’s piano player was close to as good as it gets. Crabb commands the stage. I have never been a huge JC fan, but the way that he has grown – more specifically mature – in his ability to deliver should be envied by many. He doesn’t deliver in the oversung, neck-vein-popping-out fashion that he formerly did (though he still can do that at times). However, he’s realizing that less really can be more, especially when you have a band as talented as his is. That growth/understanding may simply come from all of the different events he has been asked to host, many of which have been TBN-related. He is in control of what’s going on during his set, and even when it seems like he’s about to lose control, he doesn’t panic, perhaps simply because he has made enough mistakes to not believe it’s going to define who he is. Rather, it simply is just that, a mistake by a flawed human being (as we all are). If we could all be so comfortable in our own skin, what a better place this world would be. But I digress, Johnson, Lori Sykes and the drummer (his name slipped my mind, though he is very tasteful in his own right) are simply masterful together. Sykes was a member of the final configuration of the Crabb Family band, but Jason Crabb’s band is strikingly contrasting to that ensemble. That core was seemingly simply ready to “rock out” and bring a different sound to the wonderful world of Southern Gospel. This group is musically gifted in understanding its role. They don’t overplay a lot. They’re very tasteful. Johnson doesn’t play too much on top of the melody when it’s not necessary. Instead, he tastefully fills in the crevices of the music to create a better-flowing, smoother-progressing sound for the group. Sykes knows her role, and she and Johnson sang adequate harmony (which I have never heard her do) when Crabb started his set with a snail-paced-yet-in-the-pocket version of When He Was on the Cross to open the set.

    There were other good elements to Tuesday’s performance. Chris Allman is just light years beyond most Southern Gospel vocalists – in terms of voice and singing. He is giving Greater Vision renewed life – well sustained life at the level they are accustomed to – after they have done little of significance since the Quartets project too many years ago. Gerald Wolfe knows what he’s doing though. Sisters are too good to be this underwhelming in their acapella deliveries. Here’s to hoping they get better. Despite the incessant moving and rolling of notes, it’s always nice to hear powerhouse vocalists like Taranda Greene and Kim Hopper sing together, especially with a foundational alto like Kim Collingsworth giving the sound some bottom end (well, as much bottom end as you can have with a female trio). Triumphant – though Eric Bennett was not on his game on Tuesday – is just boringly solid as they always are, but that says a lot about how much better they are than most of the rest of the Southern Gospel artists. We’ve heard it all though guys. Saved By Grace, Somebody Died For Me, When the Trumpet Sounds, etc. are all great songs, but here’s to finding some new, fresh material that’s as good as what’s you’ve had on your past two albums. You’re too solid collectively – similar to the Booth Brothers – to not stay at the top of the genre. I just realized though that maybe the reason why the BBs have reached the top and that TQ hasn’t is because of the goofy-likeability of Michael Booth as the emcee. Emcees don’t break you necessarily, but they certainly can take you to that next level (see Perrys, Greater Vision, Booth Brothers). Jerry Pelphrey has a nice tone and simple richness to his voice, but Gold City is just boring…same with Brian Free and Assurance. However, I will have to say that Ricky Free as a producer gives them as very solid, progressive sound musically. It just isn’t going to go over overwhelmingly well when you’re singing to the snowcaps, but apparently, Brian Free doesn’t seem to care as each project continues to move and remain in that direction musically.

    With all of that jibberish of opinion having been laid out, the most outstanding element of the night was Jason Crabb’s band…and when the band of an elite artist – and personality – like a Jason Crabb outshines the artist himself, that’s series kudos warranted by that musical ensemble.

  8. Gospel Has Been wrote:

    Monday nights line up was good however the crowd was way down even for a Monday. Tuesday night the best part of the evening was the Primatives and the pork chop sandwich. I must agree Jason Crabb’s band is awesome but to much of a solo acy gets boring.
    Tueday night crowd a little better but the exhabition hall still has a lot of empty booth space. Mark Trammel’s set was good and solid even though they went over time which cost him.
    The sound this year has been the best in years
    Phil Brower did a great job last night on his parts of keeping things going. Didnt quite understand why Brian Lester didnt take over till half way through the program.
    The directors groups singing more and a lot of fan favorites are missing. I’m spending my money in June in Memphis next year and probably won’t make the move to Pigeon Forge.

  9. David wrote:

    If you haven’t been to Sevierville/Pigeon Forge/Gatlinburg then let me tell you. Plan on arriving 2 or 3 days ahead of time just to get through traffic. Don’t expect move more than 10 feet every 30 minutes. I live in the area and know the back ways. Problem is everyone else is learning them as well. Talk about a mess to look forward to. You will have fun but I recommend getting up before the sun getting to your destination and then saying til after the sun goes down. This is the only way to ensure a happy and fun experience. Otherwise get use to looking at the back of the car in front of you.
    There is no way around it.

  10. PF Dude wrote:

    Dear David,

    With all due respect - SHUT UP! I have lived in PIGEON FORGE FOR YEARS! It’s NOT as bad as you say it is!!


  11. observer wrote:

    The line up of groups seems to be thin this year. Lot of the high energy groups are missing (Inspirations, Dove Brothers, etc…). I think Quartet Show is going to steal the thunder next year.

  12. NG wrote:

    #9 David: Gerald Wolfe wrote on another site that the week of the 2014 NQC is what’s called off season when the traffic is very light compared to peak weeks like July 4th. He said Pigeon Forge can easily handle the NQC traffic. Does that make sense?

  13. weber wrote:

    I dont care how good of a singer you are, NQC should be for quartets not soloist. Pigeon Forge move is probably the last ditch effort to salvage whats left of it. Does anyone else find it odd that country music stars etc, dont come and support the music?

  14. tj wrote:

    i don’t understand, all the Debbie Downers that already have the 2014 NQC in the grave. PLEASE don’t pass any judgement and ASSUME, that the 2014 convention in Pigeon Forge will be the worst venue, the worst traffic and the worst seating. I am
    sure that the Board of Directions of the NQC will do their VERY best to produce an outstanding convention in Pigeon Forge. Every blog I have read is so worried about the seating being flat, and no parking, traffic and showcase space. How about having FAITH in People? I am sure that the Board did their homework before picking the location for 2014. How about lifting them up in prayer and wishing them success in this new location, instead of being so negative about the change.

  15. irishlad wrote:

    “Oh i wish i was in the land of cotton sittin on my bum and doin nothin ” :-)…just back from Portugal; lovely country.

  16. SG_Obzerver wrote:

    I recall all of the nay-sayers saying nay back when it moved from Nashville to Louisville too. The traffic stuation is not nearly as bad as it was made out to be in an earlier post especially in September. From the looks of the LeConte Center website the venue looks great. Plus don’t let the number of parking spaces scare you…the place is within walking distance of numerous hotels plus it will be on the trolley stop so the need to actually drive to the center will not be as much of an issue as it is now.

  17. cynical one wrote:

    And there were probably nay-sayers when they moved from Memphis, decades ago. Was there any real negative effect? Probably no one around to answer that one.

  18. Michael wrote:

    I have been going to the Smokies for years. It could work out ok. No one likes change. If you have an idea how it could be better.Pray about and send it to the NQC board. Clark if your online please make sure you bring the Orange Sherbert vendor to Tenneessee.

  19. Wade wrote:

    tj… the reason for the debbie downers is pretty simple… TRACK RECORD… HISTORY… what they have done before!!!

    Glad to hear the sound is better this year… that is what STOPPED me going there to spend my vacation money after about 6 years in a row!!

  20. Jason wrote:

    I have to agree with Mike. Jason Crabb’s band is awesome, and he has matured so much. I am not a soloist fan, but Jason and his band are off the charts.

  21. KC wrote:

    I’ll start with the positive things on my mind. The Gaither Vocal Band reunion today was fabulous. But Doug knows I get drunk on Gaither koolaid all the time. As far as I’m concerned, Bill’s class and style (on stage), and legend status, is the best thing southern gospel has, period. Loved hearing Larnelle, Marshall Hall, Guy Penrod, David Phelps, etc.

    As for tonight’s lineup highlight goes for me - Jason Crabb and his band - amazing!

    The sound IS better this year, in that there’s been minimal popping and cracking. But, it is toooooooo low. Crank up the volume. Even the GVB was too low today. And we all know the attendees at NQC are horrible for carrying on loud conversations around you. It’s the most irritating thing. Yet they’ll be on their feet for all the patriotic moments, and talk thru songs and singers talking about Christ. I don’t understand rude, bad energy “christians.” Everything about them is a contradictory. Why can’t they just be nice and respectful. Anyhow…..

    Tomorrow is the daytime two-hour Gaither singalong. And Gaither gets an hour and a half in the evening line-up. Woohoo!

    I’ve gone the past six years. It feels pitiful this year. Less people. The hall where artists sell stuff has way too much tacky. Bad christian art and jewelry - more than ever. Seriously, who wants that crap.

    If I hadn’t been raised on southern gospel, and I were thrown into NQC blindly, I’d think it’s just a big ole Jesus carnival freakshow. But whatev!

    That’s my two cents. Toodle-loo. :)

  22. Doug Sword wrote:

    This NQC illustrates how live music energizes the stage performances. Jason Crabb was great again tonight. The Issacs were their usual amazing selves. However, one set that hasn’t been mentioned was the Dixie Melody Boys set last night. Ed has remade the quartet into a relevant group. He has hired some really talented young guys. They have gotten away from a complete program of golden oldies and are singing a lot of new, high quality songs. Adding a five piece band just took the set to a whole new level. Ed was about to jump off the stage.

  23. David Bruce Murray wrote:

    On a personal level, I’m happy to have NQC 3 hours away from me rather than 7-8, but objectively, you’d think they’d relocate to a complex that would better match their current size.

    NQC is considerably bigger than the new facility being built in Pigeon Forge can handle. It seats 11,500 for concert, has just 12000 square feet for an exhibit hall (Louisville’s has 200000 square feet), and no other rooms for showcases that will seat more than 225 people.

    On the other hand, NQC has never been big enough to fill the entire complex in Louisville.

    It just seems like there should be something in the middle that would be a better fit.

    I don’t really get the “things to do outside of NQC” argument, I guess, because when I go to NQC, that’s pretty much all I do aside from sleeping and eating. Do some people actually go to NQC and expect to work in a trip to Cirque De Soleil, the Titanic experience and Dollywood, too while they’re there?

  24. Mike wrote:

    You are right about the live music illustration. The DMB “coming up with a band” has been great. It’s a great distraction to the rest of what is taking place on stage during their set. I can’t go with on the group’s relevance. They seem like super nice guys, but I don’t hear what you are hearing vocally.

  25. Doug Sword wrote:

    Mike - #24

    I guess that it’s how you define relevance. They have started doing fresher music with a more modern style while maintaining a traditional quartet sound. Also, I really like the young guys he hired. However, that is simply my personal preference.

    I appreciate your input and opinion.

  26. Hector Luna wrote:

    I think something else also needs to be considered. Does this 11,500 number also include floor seats? If so, you could potentially sit 500-1,000 depending on stage location and other variables. Even if more than 11,500 show up…there will probably be many more out with the vendors, artists tables, etc. There will probably be many more tickets bought for 1-2 nights considering more folks that listen to SG probably will be within just a few hours drive of Pigeon Forge. Monday-Wednesday it is well short of 10,000 people there…at least in the seats. Even if they do have to cap out at 11,500 people, better business for them considering the Expo Center in Louisville is probably much more expensive to rent out than this new one being built.

  27. Mike wrote:

    I am right with you man on everything you said. I just wish the quality of the signing itself was better. Solid music. Decent material. They play to the crowd well. They give the people what they want to hear. It’s just not quality singing in my opinion. I have always respected the DMB, and I think it’s the right thing that they are back on the main stage. I’d have them on there for one night if it were me making that decision. I believe that Ed O’Neal is relevant enough to warrant a night on the main stage every year. Good decision on the NQC’s part.

  28. Jason wrote:

    Any idea why the Inspirations aren’t at NQC? This seems odd given their longevity and multiple awards.

  29. MCP wrote:

    So Matthew Holt has been named as the new pianist for the GVB and Homecoming Tour. He did a good job with The Perrys, but I was really hoping for Blaine Johnson to replace Gordon Mote. He’s better, and less of a show-off. Still, good on Matthew.

  30. Doug Sword wrote:

    I think you and I agree on much more than we disagree on. I especially agree that Ed is always deserving of a place on the main stage. I just wish they had done Gerald Williams the same courtesy.

    On another topic, the Gaither Vocal Band was killer last night. Even old Bill sang some pretty good bass.

  31. KC wrote:

    So at the Gaither Homecoming Singalong yesterday, Bill said that David Phelps had driven to Nashville between shows to be with his sister who has stage 4 cancer. He said that David is a very private person and just asked for prayers. Then last night during the evening concert, David started a song and then restarted it because he forgot the lyrics. Bill start to say something about how David had been up for two nights, but it looked like David just patted his back as if to say let’s keep singing. Even while going through life’s difficulties, the man sounds amazing - he’s by far my favorite singer in gospel music.

    Speaking of, the Gaither Singalong was pretty awesome. My favorite moment was Angela Primm singing Couldn’t Keep It To Myself, with three reprises. It felt spontaneous, whether or not it really was. And she knows how to bring black church into the show. :) Some fun highlights - lots of banter between Bill and Gerald Wolfe - like Gerald telling Bill he’d get a lot more of the Homecoming Bibles in the hands of people if they didn’t cost so much. Mark Lowry being himself with little doses of comedy. Tearful moment when Tanya Goodman-Sykes sang Look For Me and they showed (on the screens) tons of past “Homecoming” singers who aren’t with us anymore - I love hearing her sing that song.

    I saw no support for Romney at the convention. Usually there are attendees or artists being political at these events with comments or attire. It just struck me that there really may not be much support for Romney with the KJV only kinds of Christians.

    Purchased the Stamps-Baxter School of Music choir CD from Ben Speer’s table. I buy them every year. If this isn’t a regular purchase for hardcore southern gospel piano fans, you’re really missing out. Every year, Tracey Phillips is on the recordings from the school sessions - she is so amazing on piano, always. I played it three times on the drive home just to hear her piano intros and turnarounds. Love her.

    That is all. :)

  32. Tommy wrote:

    I completely disagree with you about the Dixie Melody Boys. Im not a big fan of their baritone but the new lead is a phenom and their tenor Matt Felts is awesome and looks to be a huge part of their resurgance. I think some people are out to attack groups no matter what they do. Ask around the industry ( people who actually know what they are saying) and you will see what people think of these guys. They are highly underrated and i think the best is yet to come. I guess the fans dissagreed with you because I noticed more response for their set than most others that night. Now go ahead and attack them again, that was your agenda anyway.

  33. Gospel Has Been wrote:

    #26 Hector. The11500 IS floor seats and that is all they have. They say that is one concern in Louisville that he older people didnt like the steps in Louisville so they are going to all flat floor seats so if you get behind a bigger person good luck seeing

  34. Doug Sword wrote:

    I agree with you about the quality of the DMB’s sets, especially the set with the live band. However, I don’t see any of Mike’s comments as being an attack on the DMB. In fact. he commented on how deserving Ed was of having a main stage spot. It is just a matter of taste and perspective.

    As an example, I am a quartet guy. However, at this NQC, there were three popular quartets whose sets I found uninteresting and pedestrian at best. I am not naming them as I don’t wish to start a flame war. I sure many fans loved them. Taste and perspective.

  35. Mike wrote:

    Honesty is not attacking (especially when you communicate the good with what you don’t deem as quality), and also, you can’t know somebody else’s intent Tommy boy. Get a clue. I wish EO and the DMB all the best and richest of blessings…and you too Tommy.

  36. Tommy wrote:

    I realky enjoyed quartet night. Lefevres did good and I was one of those on my feet for the DMBs. I thought they were great. I would agree with Ed. Ge saud its one of his best groups ever. I also liked Gold City. Jerry Pilfrey did an awesome job on Midnight Cry.

  37. Blake Edmondson wrote:

    I rarely ever post on here anymore but I got so upset by one thing at NQC that I had to. The Hoppers have gone from a great, humble group to being the most pompous group in the history of SG. First of all, On their Monday night set, of course they were introduced as “the #1 family in gospel music.” Somebody should read them again Matthew 19:30 and Matthew 23:12. But, that’s the norm for them now. They’re better than everyone else (at least in their minds.) What really bothered me the most was Claude told a story about giving a bracelet to a little girl at a church where they were singing. Turns out the girl had been raped by her uncle and father and had just been recently saved. The bracelet said “God loves you. He always has and he always will.” It was a great story, a great moment, and just as I was about to say to myself “wow, maybe the Hoppers really are focused on ministry,” Claude says “and, tonight, we have those bracelets available for purchase at our table.” Then, he goes out and gives a bracelet on his hand to somebody and says “God loves you. He always has and he always will.” It seems the whole story and the whole act was just to sell a few bracelets at the table. We need more groups in SG (and a lot more on the main stage at NQC) who are not worried about making a lot of money and just sing for the Lord and trust Him that he’ll provide for their needs.

  38. j-mo wrote:

    I have never heard of a venue that size having only floor seating. Where is this supposed data that says it won’t be the conventional stadium style seating in the new venue?

  39. McCray wrote:

    I am gonna say this!! Blake you have got to got to be kidding! We make our living by selling CDs t shirts etc! I guess what we need is a few more house contractors out there that don’t worry about making a lot of money just build houses and depend on God to provide!! Where do you think the money comes from? You just fill the bus up and go? God provides and also provides the ideas to you to use to sale to bring in the money!

    Why is it when an Artist starts making money in Gospel music people like you start posting comments like this! If we are going to get Holy about it do you believe what you just post did anything for the Kingdom of God? Some of y’all kill me the way you use God or the bible to hurt some of the Artist who are out here on the road or question where there heart is! Do you do that to your Plummer who attends your church? How about the man or woman who sales Clothing or Bibles? Or your local Christian Bookstore manger? How about the Family who owns Chick Fil-a do you question his or hers heart ?

  40. Wade wrote:

    Ha Ha… Blake Great Story!!!! Gotta Love’m!!! lol

    Come on folks post what ya thought about the shows…don’t hold back!!!

    Thanks TO ALL who already have even if it had some KOOL-AID in it… my fav flavor is GRAPE and the Dove Bros!!!

    Jason the reason the Inspirations are not there is probably the same reason other groups including the Dove Bros and sounds like more and more big groups who are not being paid to be there later in the week… THEY CAN MAKE MORE MONEY performing else where!!!

    Inspos seem to show up for a few years and then NOT… I remember way back in the 80’s there were years they were not there!!!

    Come on people POST your reviews. I am tired of basically hear some one had a GOOD or a BAD set and they use the SET word to make it sound like they are an EXPERT!!!

    You don’t have to be an expert just share your feelings of what went down!!!

  41. bob wrote:

    They should change the name from NQC to “the Hoppers, Greater Vision home comming”

  42. weber wrote:

    I think one reason why the SGM genre suffers in poverty and is not recognized by the main stream media and the like is because the bible does not recognize the office of a singer traveling for a living. Oh there may be a few scriptures that can be taken out of context but for the most part nothing is addressed by Paul. The economy is bad, however the bidness was on the downturn 20 years ago when most of the groups went karaoke. Oh ok, so God calls them out on the road away from family where they are supposed to be the spiritual leader and protector, for a annual salary that is at or below the poverty level, no health insurance, no 401k, many on foodstamps, but remember where God leads, He provides, He owns it all right? well why do so many in SG financially struggle? just sayin folks

  43. McCray wrote:

    Because Mr. Weber some people think because you sing a Gospel Song you sing it for nothing and let God provide it! You let them be treated on there job like we have been treated at some churches and by some promoters they would be job hunting by Monday morning!

  44. Wayne wrote:

    One comment. “Voices Of Lee”. College a cappella ensemble. Very talented. But isn’t this the National Quartet Convention with only the “best in Southern Gospel” to hit the main stage? If I wanted to hear choral music, I would go to a college campus. I wish they would fill those 20 minutes with a deserving SG quartet.

  45. NG wrote:

    McCray makes so many good points. He’s out there on the road and he knows what it takes to earn a living for himself and the rest of his group. I was at NQC last year and at Grand Ole Gospel Reunion this year. It’ just my observation but it seems folks are not buying nearly as much recorded products as they did in the past. I wonder if it is because they are downloading free stuff or making illegal copies of CDs and giving them to friends.
    Some may simply lack the money in this economy but that shouldn’t apply to most folks who can afford to travel long distances to attend major SGM events.

  46. Wade wrote:

    You better LOVE the Dove Brothers Band they are gonna be HUGE!!!!

  47. Tim wrote:

    I enjoyed the DMB set with the live band. It should serve as a reminder to those who enjoyed Southern Gospel in the 70’s and early 80’s when most artist had live bands, the excitement it can bring to a room.

  48. David wrote:

    PF Dude. You are on crack. It is that bad. Tell me what time of day your getting out? I am there every day 7 days a week. And for the record A$$hole don’t tell me to shut up. If you want to see Drama I can show you drama.

  49. Wade wrote:

    McCray I think you are holding back again!!!

  50. Gospel Has Been wrote:

    so does anyone know why The Perrys, The Kingsmen, The Collinsworth family and a few others set up booths out in the hall way of Freedom Hall Saturday night instead of in the exhibit hall where they had been all week?

  51. Blake Edmondson wrote:

    The point of my post was not to say SG artists shouldn’t make money. I’m a mininster and I’d surely struggle if I didn’t get paid for what I do. I would love it if every person in SG made $1 million a year. However, when you twist around a spiritual story to sell bracelets at your table, I feel like that’s wrong. And my biggest issue is the Hoppers calling themselves “America’s #1 (or first) family of gospel music.” I guess the best “The Mckameys,” “The Perrys,” etc can hope for is #2.

  52. Blake Edmondson wrote:

    Also, maybe my last statement could be misconstrued. I feel like ministry should be first, and if you seek God first, he’ll meet the needs. Not to say you can’t make money, that shouldn’t be your first concern.

  53. McCray wrote:

    Mr. Blake when ever the family groups win the mixed group Award most of the time the promoters or MC will call them the first Family of Gospel music because they were voted group of the year!!! Just like they do calling the lady in the white house the First Lady! They did it for the Speers, the Happy Goodmans etc! As far as stories what about the Speaker or Preacher who tells a story or something that has took place in his or hers life and then has that story and others in a book that you can get for 15 dollars as well as the sermon he or she just preached that night on CD you can get for 15 or three for 30! If you tell me it’s not the same thing then you might want to pray about it!

  54. Fundie wrote:

    Blake, you are doing a substantial amount of judging motives.

    By the way, the Hoppers are the most awarded family group in SG, have recently been inducted in the Hall of Fame, are the reigning Mixed Group of the Year several years running, and have been know for a LONG time as “America’s Favorite Family of Gospel Music.” Yes, it strikes me a little odd to put that in a video, but methinks you are judging again.

  55. Bones wrote:

    And why wasn’t Dove Brothers there? I want to know.

  56. grammar police wrote:

    The Dove Brothers wasn’t there because they was a English class they was at.

  57. Gary wrote:

    Doesn’t the bible say something about a preacher or minister is “worthy of their hire” somewhere in those books?

  58. Tony Watson wrote:

    Bones - McCray has been very open about the fact that he and NQC could not come to financial terms this year, thus the Dove Brothers Band elected not to attend. NQC is an expensive week for a group, especially if you are not on stage multiple times. You have booth rental, food, plus the loss of income from lost dates, and payroll and expenses keep marching on. It’s an expense, sort of like vacation for a normal family, that has to be budgeted for. Sometimes you have to make the determination that the expense is not worth it. Groups, due to economics, are having to make some hard decisions like this. You can bet that of every group that has elected not to attend NQC the past few years, that the economy has been the primary, or a major, factor in that decision.

    These decisions between the NQC Board and the groups are business decisions and each group has to make the best determination of what business decision will enable their ministry to continue by utilizing the best stewardship.

  59. Copperhill wrote:

    An additional observation about The Hoppers being called the first family of gospel music. The word “first” can mean the one occurring or coming before all others OR the one ranking above all others. I believe the Perrys have been singing “only” 30 years while a cursory review of their websites indicate The McKamey sisters began singing in 1954 and The Hopper brothers began performing in 1957. It is open to individual preference whether The Hoppers rank above all others but they have likely won more awards. I caught a couple of their 2012 NQC appearances on the webcast and they were amazing–didn’t hurt that they had Taranda Greene singing with them both Friday and Saturday nights. This is not to denegrate any other family group in gospel music.

  60. Dove Shit! wrote:

    that English clas was! A Waste of money for us! We go no any more. McCray still speaks with a cottonmouth!

  61. McCray wrote:

    I don’t know who the person is that post the reply about the grammar school under the name Dove S. But i know it was not one of my members!

    Could be a pass member but as you can tell I haven’t took any classes!!!!! Hey Grammer Boy or Girl is that all you have?I’ve been criticize for things my whole life! So if that’s all you got than you are way behind.

    I’ve heard that song and dance before! If you are saying that I’m stupid we’ll I’ve heard that one my whole life also!

    I’m smart enough to understand your post. Are you smart enough to understand mine?

  62. DLP wrote:

    Dove S. that wasn’t even the slightest bit funny!

  63. Spud Wagon wrote:

    Hmmm. Dove Shit make big waves in little tea cup. DS bring smile to faces of bored travelers on back of bus. Dove Shit bring value added conversation.

    Hoopers trolling for granny’s farm. No like that. Counting on that for retirement.

  64. FosterChild wrote:

    McCray- Hey brother. I think it’s kinda low (and just a tad bit immature) for stupid people to attack you for such a ridiculous reason. It obviously means that instead of actually using their God-given talent in front of thousands of people night after night, much like yourself, they are sitting on their rears all day and waiting on an open opportunity to jump in and say something negative about somebody… Which really does not reflect the fruits of the spirit Christians are supposed to show. You keep singing for the Lord and sharing the Gospel with those thousands who need to hear it, while these losers share their immaturity with the 25 (maybe 30) bloggers who have time to check this site everyday.

  65. Michael wrote:

    Mccray any thoughts on A voting system that would put the top vote getters on main stage. Like the allstar game. No politics just votes.P.S come back to southern Indiana.

  66. Burman wrote:

    Well aint this just some way fer christian folk to be talking.I sang with The Dove Brothers Band and right proud of it.Ive attended NQC fer many years and had a good ole time but it just wont in the best interest fer us to be ther this year.I hate I missed all yall but we a see yall at tha Memphis Convention next year.See yall later,Im late fer my english class!!

  67. McCray wrote:

    I doubt it Michael!! If you did you would have those who wouldn’t believe it!!!!

  68. Wade wrote:

    Gospel Has Been… they set up there for the money!?!?!? It was closer to the crowd. Anytime an artist can get there table CLOSER to the audience they will do it!!! If it is close to the bath room entrances they like it even more!!

    Since we are talking about Hoppers and McCray and if you can understand McCray… have you ever tried to understand Claude!?!?!?

    Make fun of McCray if you want. I know for sure he is laughing all the way to the bank!! Claude too!!!

  69. Blake Edmondson wrote:

    I guess we are just going to have to disagree about the bracelet thing. I just guess it rubbed me the wrong way. But, let me say thanks for the great heart-felt music you guys have put out all these years. I have every DB project you guys have made. All have been a blessing. In a day when gospel seems to be slightly shifting to more of a modern sound (and I like some of it), you guys are still putting out good pure SG music. Keep up the good work and may God bless you guys spiritually, physically, AND financially! And BTW, I don’t blame you for taking up for your friends, the Hoppers.

  70. DD wrote:

    Here we are quite a few days from the end of NQC and there have been no real roster changes in major SG groups? I think the world may be ending soon!

  71. SG is dead wrote:

    McCray is smart enough to see that Southern Gospel is dying out. Look at the crowd at NQC. How much gray hair do you see?

    On another note, Gold City wasn’t as great as the bloggers let on. They have to improve their stage presence to me. I miss the days of Wilburn and Ladd or Parrack.

  72. Bones wrote:

    I think we need to stop this talk.

  73. McCray wrote:

    Thank you Mr. Blake for your comments about Dove Brothers! Thank you for a friendly debate. I wish you the best in all that you do!

  74. Aaron Swain wrote:

    #69: It’s only been a week. Silence like this usually means something big is coming. Stay tuned!

  75. nber wrote:

    I agree Blake. Dove Brothers are the most exciting thing right now in SG. I love what they are doing.

  76. eddyray wrote:

    NQC is all about one thing. Money. It’s just the way it is. I see the move to Pigeon Forge as strictly a business move by the board. On the way home from Louisville I began to count how many groups wouldn’t even need a hotel room in Pigeon Forge. It will save so many groups a ton of dollars just by traveling expense. Not to mention a majority will sleep in their own bed every night of convention. I thought 2012 NQC was pretty pitiful to say the least. It’s not about Quartets it’s not about Gospel Music. I think the only thing it’s all about, is a select few groups making some cash, and good for them. That’s what this country is all about, making money. Remember the golden rule. He who has the gold rules! NQC is a perfect example of this. Unfortunately Gold City was a shell of themselves and it’s tough to watch, I mean really tough to watch. NQC needs to consider a major act every night like The Oaks, Gaither Vocal Band, Ernie SSQ, Dolly Parton, Statlers, etc. because at this rate they will be able to move the event to Tony’s BBQ in 14 because the ticket sales were way down. Way down.

  77. j-mo wrote:

    Hey, I might consider going if they held it at Tony’s BBQ! Not a bad idea.

  78. William wrote:

    I agree eddyray, Gold City seems to just not be into it anymore. Seems like they would rather be somewhere else. After a number one hit and another one right behind it, their booth stayed pretty much deserted unless Mr. Riley was there. Stage performance was very boring, song choice seems to be the same every year, applause was polite. We love a group that can get us going and be genuine about it, not forced. I think the gold rush days are over. Sad but true.

  79. irishlad wrote:

    77 every group has its sell by date GC had theirs when Free Parker and Trammell left and that wasn’t yesterday.

  80. Bones wrote:

    NQC makes enough money they could pay the groups better. It’s like it will be out way ot the highway. They won’t listen to comments. This past year was so boring.

  81. Blake Edmondson wrote:

    Eddyray and william, you two seem to be in the major minority about Gold City. Most people who’ve reviewed NQC and others who have commented have said their sets were much much better than recent years. With a solid lead like Pelfrey, they are on their way back. I enjoyed them as much as I’ve enjoyed GC in a long time. It seems they have finally figured out that getting voices that sound more contemporary and recording music not in the Gold City style hasn’t worked. It would have been nice though if Daniel had remembered the old “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” before they tried to make wholesale changes to their sound. But, now, If they get back to pure Gold City southern gospel on their next recording, it will sell off the shelves and get great reviews.

  82. Beth wrote:

    Not to beat a dead horse, and I understand what y’all are saying, but perhaps this will shed some light on the topic for everyone who’s been discussing “Claude Hopper’s” bracelets…

    I mean, it’s a great bracelet, an even greater phrase and to my knowledge no one has specific rights to those words, but at first we got a real chuckle when Dr. David Jeremiah mentioned that if someone wanted a bracelet and he was out of stock, perhaps they might be able to buy one of the bracelets from The Hoppers’ booth.

    As it turns out it wasn’t really a chuckle at all, at least not as I saw it.

    It seems that “God Loves You: He Always Has—He Always Will” is the title of Dr. Jeremiah’s brand new book, currently available for presale simply by making a donation to Turning Point Ministries. Apparently, Dr. Jeremiah has been distributing these BRACELETS for some time now however, in ANTICIPATION of the book’s release and they have been available for quite some time now, also for any donation to Turning Point Ministries.

    I can’t even tell you how I felt when I learned that not only had Claude adopted this slogan and bracelet as his very own, but he (unwisely???) chose to promote it at the same event where Dr. Jeremiah was not only a guest but an honored speaker. He made no mention of Dr. Jeremiah at all, at least none that I’d heard that particular night, simply going on and on from the stage about how he had used the bracelets to minister to several others in the past. He then chose a woman from the audience, passed out of “his” bracelets and mentioned that they were available for sale at their booth.

    So, just one more perspective for y’all, and you too, McCray (love ya)!

    But the credit where credit’s due thing, and selling the bracelets rather than asking for a “suggested donation” (and please don’t get me wrong…this is FAR from EVERYthing at the booth…just for this ONE particular ITEM that they probably sent a donation themselves to Turning Point for!), well, that’s what’s bugging me, I guess.

    Thanks for listening! Love you all!

  83. Doug Sword wrote:

    I had stated in an earlier post that I thought that several prominent quartets had given rather lackluster performances. At the time, I declined to name them to avoid arguments. However, since Gold City has been mentioned, I will admit that I thought their sets were mediocre at best. The singing was not technically bad, but there was no life to their performances.

    I think Wade didn’t care for my use of the word “set” to describe main stage performances. I use it because it is the shortest, least cumbersome way to describe them. Not trying to portray myself as an expert.

  84. Larry Ferguson wrote:

    Louisville is my hometown but I think NQC will thrive in Pigeon Forge. For those who fly in, the flights will probably be more costly. But as far as getting a taxi into Pigeon Forge it’s not that bad. I had to do this on one occasion. I think it’s just best if you can set it up ahead of time. The plus side to Pigeon Forge is that you will have plenty of hotels, restaurants, and convenience stores basically on one long strip. But, this is SG territory. When Dollywood has the SG Festival people literally move there for the entire month of October in their rvs or trailor homes. I’ve never seen anything like it. Every day there is some sort of SG singing, whether in a church, secular venue so on. I think it may hurt the showcases because some of the younger people will have better things to do like Dollywood, Smokey Mountains and so on.

  85. David Bruce Murray wrote:

    I’d compare what Claude Hopper did to a preacher taking an offering in the middle of the invitation. There’s nothing wrong with passing the plate, but it would be rather tacky to do it at that point in the service. If Claude had saved his sell for the end of his story, it would have been fine.

    That being said, I think it’s unfair to label the Hoppers in general as “pompous” just because they sell themselves. I thought they showed themselves to be very generous in other ways. Look how much they showcased Taranda Greene, for example.

  86. David Bruce Murray wrote:

    “j-mo wrote:
    I have never heard of a venue that size having only floor seating. Where is this supposed data that says it won’t be the conventional stadium style seating in the new venue?”




    The largest room in the facility is 100000 square feet. That is referred to in the specs as “exhibit” space. Their options would be to bring in temporary risers or put all the seats on the flat floor. Hopefully, the stage will still be in the center. If not, there will be a lot of bad seats.

  87. drearl wrote:

    Can anyone tell me about Glenn Dustin? He was main part of Legacy 5. Can’t believe he just dropped out!

  88. SG is dead wrote:

    Blake. You have to kidding about Gold City. They have zero stage presence. Great that they have Tim out of retirement. If their name wasnt Gold City and have Tim on stage, they wouldnt sniff the main stage.

  89. weber wrote:

    Beth, very good, Im impressed by your research.. I must say very tacky of Claude, he is a veteran and should know better..but hard times bring out the negative in singers..Gold city should re-invent themselves, there day has passed. McCray, the best way to keep a group in the black…sing 6 months out of the year and work a 9 to 5 the other 6 months. take notice that SGM is the only genra that travels all year round..Its about a tour, supply and demand.

  90. NG wrote:

    David Byne of the Talking Heads has a new book out called “How Music Works.” One chapter deals with business and finance. Don’t know how much is relevant to SGM (have only read a review not the book). In commenting on declining CD sales since 1999, he notes the industry says make money touring and selling “merch” like T-shirts and coffee mugs which you can unload faster than recorded music. That seems relevant to SGM based on some of the posts here.

  91. CVH wrote:


    It’s good to see you post again. Just wanted to say I hope you’re doing well and God bless you for everything you did for Dottie. The longer she’s gone the more I appreciate the simple gifts of lyric and melody she possessed. There were a lot of good Christian songwriters during that era (mid ’60s to mid ’80s), many with their own unique style, but Dottie was in a class by herself.

  92. McCray wrote:

    Thanks Weber sounds easy enough!!!

  93. McCray wrote:

    Beth I understand your point. Taking ideas from others happens all the time, trust me I know! Rather it’s donations or a set price money is money and you are still asking for something! That is like going to a church and at the door they ask for a donation instead of a ticket price. It makes the ones who don’t believe in selling tickets at a church feel better. They can give there two dollars and save there ticket money for George Jones! By the way I like George!!!

    It’s called making a living and that has nothing to do with Serving God! It takes money to survive!! Yes the Lord will provide but you must do something to make it happen as well! Could Claude have presented it a different way? Sure he could have. Does Claude love the Lord? Sure he does and so does every artist I know out there on the Road! Are they using God to make a living? No more than your pastor or another TV preacher you hear or see! That is the point that I wanted to get across!

  94. Kyle wrote:

    “selling “merch” like T-shirts and coffee mugs which you can unload faster than recorded music.”

    NG….isn’t that called the National Quartet Convention?

  95. Hector Luna wrote:

    I probably shouldn’t find it disturbing that SGM is not about “serving God” as McCray points out. I’ve been saying that for years. Glorifying God through music is simply a by-product of having a “job”?

  96. weber wrote:

    On a side note, what does a group get paid to sing on mainstage NQC?

  97. irishlad wrote:

    95 well done Hector…sad but true,us cynics and the dogs on the streets knew that for years :-\

  98. McCray wrote:

    You can sing for the Glory of God in your Car! You sing in your Church to praise the Lord! But you pay the Pastor, Minster of Music etc! Stop those checks and watch how the Lord will lead them somewhere else! So don’t pull the singing for the Lord Card!! If you are SAVED by the Blood of Jesus you are to praise the Lord, sing unto the Lord! It doesnt matter if you do it riding on a bus and sing and get paid for it or work at Wal-Mart and sing on the weekends for nothing! Even if you buy a ticket and listen to the artist sing, it’s your job as a child of God to praise him also! When I sing I pray that God will Bless it and use it for his Glory and I also thank him for the money that will pay the Band and feed my family but let the money quit coming in and I would have to quit traveling but I want have to stop singing praises to him!!! So that dog want hunt!! I know what I’m doing for God!! Do you know what you are doing for God?

  99. Hector Luna wrote:

    I apologize McCray. I walked you into that one. Glad you shared a little of what was on your heart. Your dog certainly did hunt. Half of SG should do exactly as you say…sing praises to God in the shower, toilet, car, weekends, and work at Wal-Mart. Hope you can convince many to do so. God may start blessing far more lives and re-shaping communities as more ministers intent on praising God “wherever they are” can do so at home instead of on the road.

  100. Videoguy wrote:


    At one time, there was a website that offered users to be alerted by email when their favorite artist was going to be in their area. You could define an area by a mileage radius (how many miles away will you drive to a concert?). Any idea if this site is still around? Thanks in advance for any help.

  101. McCray wrote:

    No matter what you do for a living if you are a child of God you are to praise him not just SG artist!!!!! So I’m done with this subject!

  102. quartet-man wrote:


  103. Ode wrote:

    99,Well, sure, and strip clubs make money selling chicken wings, yet that income is purely supplemental. SGM or any stage performing art is not in t-shirt or mug selling business. Profit from those toys is a direct function of band‘s popularity, so relying on those is not a scalable sales model here…

    I have Byrne’s book, it’s good, if somewhat haphazardly thrown together.An analytical piece it aspires to be should utilize systematic approach and more concise presentation style. But he taps well into curious subjects, like psychological effects of music, universal rules of perception, popular taste formation and certain predictability of music market.

    Most of it is applicable to all genres; what I’d particularly mention in relation to SGM, after listening to songs from that fest NQC(NoQualityConvention?NotQuiteChristian? -H Luna, amen), Diana’s excellent videos, and learning what is preferred by the audience-

    they ALL seem to have moved towards Christian pop with a slight southern rock, or strong country, flavor. Which is a wise move to boost SG’s entertainment value, yet, as Byrne argues, jumping into an unfamiliar area of a market already cornered by a professional, experienced competition might be tough. It’s overcomeable, considering the exceptional vocal quality of SGM and the proverbial rule “a charlatan with a niche is better than a talent without one”,with friends like TBN and sleepy conscience SG has a good shot at it ;)

    As a safer bet Byrne suggests rather improving one’s own unique musical style instead of copycatting and brings up a few interesting examples, like modern classical music and how it makes itself sellable.

  104. J Edwards wrote:

    Well I think anyone who has posted on here judging anyone by what they have done or said has missed the mark by a long shot.

    I am not famous, and there’s a good possibility I’ll never be on any of the huge stages including the NQC stage, however I am gone every other week ministering in music for an evangelist friend of mine, and then sometimes on my own. It’s what I was called to do, and if it wasn’t what the Lord had planned for my life, I don’t believe He would have given me the voice He has, nor would He have opened the doors He has for me to minister all over the world.

    It’s not easy for singers, because we all hit the road every weekend sacrificing time with our families, missing birthdays, even missing some holidays with our families, people miss watching their kids ball games, band concerts, school plays, all these kinds of things, all to go out and minister to people.

    Everyone will support an evangelist when they come to a church, but no one will support singers or singing groups, as if what we do isn’t important, or isn’t relevant to the Body of Christ or to the world. However, I think some people don’t realize that we are evangelizing in our music and ministering to people every time we step on the stage.

    Now, yes, there are some singers, and groups out there that are all about the glam, and all that stuff, but all of us aren’t out there for that reason. But whether they are or aren’t it isn’t anyone’s place to judge. Let God do His job, and you do yours. The Bible talks about, if you find fault with a brother/sister, you should pray for them, not blast them.

    We are suppose to be walking in love, not hate,and definitely shouldn’t be back biting, and talking about people, like so many have been doing here on this page.

    If you think there are some wrong motives in anyone’s life, you should be praying that God would change their heart if anything. Your bad comments and sour opinions aren’t changing anything, all it does is build up more hate in you.

    All I can say is thank God for His grace, and for people who do pray for people in situations like this. When I started I meant well, but my focus got off and I became more focused on myself and my vocal abilities than I was on the one who I was ministering about and for. But God had people in my life who saw the potential and saw something more than what was distracting me, and prayed for me, and the Lord changed my heart. It was through a couple humbling experiences, but they brought me back to my first love, Jesus Christ, and made me realize what I was supposed to be doing, and that it wasn’t about me, it was about HIM!

    God changed me through the prayers of loving people, not through the back biters and the gossipers.

    And while I’m saying this, stop saying that all the singers are about money, and making too much money. To do what some of us do, it takes money, and this type of ministry is just as important as any other. I believe in supporting any kind of ministry that is going to places where I’m not, and can’t go, because someone needs to go there, and most of these people are supporting families, and alot of their families travel with them, so they need money to get from one place to the next, and they need the support to keep putting out new albums, which are tools of ministry as well.

    Anyways, I made my peace, I just had to say something, because most of the people who talk about singers in a bad way, like what has been going on on this blog, have never been in the shoes of the ones they are talking about.

    I think the best thing we can do is walk in love, and let God take care of the craziness!

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